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Topic Title Irishpride86 hair treatments timeline with pictures


Date Posted: 07/25/2010 03:36 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

My time-line on treatments:
my timeline:
Dec 2008: Baseline No treatments
Jan09: 1MG FIN ( MASSIVE SHEDDING)
Feb09 1MG FIN ( MASSIVE SHEDDING)
Mar09: 1MG FIN ( MASSIVE SHEDDING)
april09: 1MG FIN ( MASSIVE SHEDDING)
may09: 1MG FIN ( MASSIVE SHEDDING)
jun09:OFF FIN ( SHEDDING SLOWING/HAIR GETTING BETTER)
july09: 1MG FIN ( MASSIVE SHEDDING)
aug09: STARTED Minox, OFF FIN, FROM HERE ON OUT Hair got great off FIN, had TE reaction the whole time while i was on it, hair thinned all over, including back and sides, Dr. Lee and my doctor told me to get off it. But going through nasty minox shedo
sept09on Minox, OFF FIN shedding agian
oct09:On Minox,OFF fin, ON RU ( went off it halfway through/still shedding) Got on FE ru
nov09: OFF minox,OFF fin, ON RU ( GREAT REGROWTH/on ru still)
dec09: OFF minox,OFF fin, ON RU ( GREAT REGROWTH/on ru still)
Jan2010: OFF minox, ran out of RU OFF RU ( GREAT REGROWTH/on ru still) - hair shedding bad, was maybe due to being off minox)
feb:2010 OFF everything ( until halfway through got back on Minox) Still shedding
March 2010:shedding slowing ( got back on RU still on minox)
Apr 2010: Great regowth Still on minox and ru
May 2010:Great regowth Still on minox and ru
June:2010:Great regowth Still on minox and ru/ started shedding bad
Jul:2010 Still on minox and ru/ hair is back to baseline... shedding BAD!!!!!!
Aug 2010 - Still on same treatments since Feb 2010, still shedding since June, almost 3 months of non stop shedding I still don't get how I can start back on treatments in Feb, go through 2 months of massive shedding and bu April of this year gain it all back only to lose it by end of June, ( makes no since)
Sept 2010 Hair is not shedding, hair is doing good agian should be great by oct update !!
Oct 2010- 8 months minox, 7 months ru, Not shedding as much still, however i had to go off ru due to being out for 1 month, hair starting to grow in thinner, but we'll see if it grows in thicker again, since im now back on FE ru. I was gonna restart propecia, however i am gonna wait till i'm in ru for 2 more months then add back in FIN. I want to see if the ru thickens the hair again after being off ru for the past month, i don't plan on running out ever again.

Nov 2010
ok Month 9 on minox and month 8 on ru.
My hair is yet again shedding bad. WHY ? I have no idea, many posters on this board said ride it out as the sheds will gets better. Has this happened to anyone ?
I am think of changing some things around like adding dut or fin, or switching to liquid or dropping ru. I am kind lost on where to go or what step to take to improve.any help would be of great help. Both pics below where taking on the same day. One is long and one is with a #4 haircut that i got today

Dec 2010- hair still in bad shape

Jan 2011- 11 months minox, 10 months ru, hair is still Shit, been shedding since early Oct.....

Jan 25th 2011 update- been off Ru for close to one month, after about 2 weeks of being off Ru hair stoped shedding, I'm not sure if I was shedding due to minox or Ru, do I'm still testing it out, it seemed odd I got 4 Massive sheds in 1 year, in late Feb. Depending on hoe my hair is doing ill decide which treatment caused the.many shedding cycles, at that point in time ill relook at treatments and decidecide what too do.

1 year update, Feb 9th, 2011- hair is going good again, not shedding at much and I'm only on rogaine foam 2 capfulls once daily, I was on Ru up until Xmas of 2010, and as noted in my timeline I had been going through some heavy sheds that ate not minox normal sheds,as I had 4 bad sheds within 1 year while on Ru and minox, so I decided to remove Ru too see if my hair got better and it did, I tried Ru alone in the past back in fall 2009, and I still ended up shedding, but what I'm doing now that ive neber done is minox alone, so I guess what I'm saying is I'm testing weather Ru hurt mote then helped. Time will tell, but as for my hair it started getting better about 2 weeks after I quit Ru. Pics below.

March 8th 2011 update:
without pics
not shedding as much, still on just minox, hairline is not doing good, i think ( maybe i need too add ru back in)

April 2011 update
without pics,
i'm was going through a BAD shed, it seems i shed no matter what every 3 months( 14 montsh on minox now), I did add FIN for 1 weeks about 2 weeks ago, and man did i get acne, and a sore scalp. and shedding increased. so i stopped, for the final time on fin. But while on minox and ru, i shed every 3 months and get the hair back, while on fiin alone i just shed, and shed, and shed,and remain in this "te" state so in a nutshell the more successful way is minox and ru, i think, Ive been on minox alone since 12/25/2010. I did this too see which caused my every 3 months shedding phases, it seems minox does this, one would think this shedding should stop since im now on month 14 of minox. But it is not so, ( anyway have insight into why) Good news now though is shedding has slowed down, i buzzed my head and i apply minox now to a buzzed scalp, rather then some get caught in my hair. I think thsi may be the reasoin why i stopped shedding because minox can reach my scalp more ? I apply 2 capfulls of foam per day. I may have seen shedding every 3 months because not enough minox gets to my scalp, unless i buzz it, idk ? But point is now im no tshedding( as much), i'll await 4 weeks to see how my hair regrows, at that time i will decide to add back in ru.
so be on the lookout for pics to come next month



June 2011: still on minox now 16 months been on liquid 4ml at night for 2 months now. And ru 100mg per day. Below are pics. I dont know what too think of my hair. It feels thiner and im debating weather ot not to go back on fin 1mg per day. Thoughts??



Aug2011: still on ru and minox foam, I use 130mg of ru, may increase to 150-200, my diffusion is better, and my temples are up, down, up, down.. but better then baseline, I think

Jan 2012, on fin, minox.foam, ru. Been on ru and minox for 2 years now, I added minox liquid and.fin 2 1/2 months ago. Fin is turning my current hair all over into kinked, weak, dry, brittle hair, and my diffusion is resembling that of when I tried fin back in 2009. Am I getting a TE RH reaction again? Should i stop or press on. Anyone have this issue with fin usage and it improve at ?

Feb 7th 2012

Been on minox for 2 years, FIN for 3 1/2 momnths, dropped ru(for now), I am no longer seeing results from Minox so from here on out any progress will be from FIN usage, to mark that I have been taking pics of pre fin usage to fin usage, pics below

3/22/12: 5 months fin 1.25 mg, 2 years 3 months minox usage. ( started ru back up after being off it since November. Been 1 weeks now on it again)
Not sure what to think of these results. Looks like I'm not doing good. Need someone to folate each month for me and give me their input, thanks


4/21/12 6 months fin, 2 years ,4 months Minox, 2 1/2 years ru58841

To be honest I'm shocked I'm halfway through 1 year. Have not seen any gains yet. Wonder if I will even see gains. May go on dut after the 1 year mark, thoughts?
No to shedding like I had when I tried fin in 2009, however hairline is much worse I think.....



7 MONTH UPDATE ON FIN 5/23

7 MONTHS FIN OVER 2 1/2 YEARS MINOX, DROPPED RU 1 MONTH AGO
I've been shedding a lot, may be due to fin, I hope it slows down, been on it.for.7 months, I'm expecting for it to end soon, as others users tell me, we.shall see .

Wish me luck
... Blah!!!!!!


8/23/12

Ok ,so I'm now month 10 fin and 3 years minox..

What can I say so far ?
Well I was told by many on this website to go on fin and stick it out , and I'm now month 10 and my hairline and hair density is not good, I've never stopped shedding upon taking fin, before fin my hair was ok, not shedding much, this was when I was on Ru and minox, now I'm on fin almost 1 year while staying on minox and I've been off Ru... End result , my hair is shit,
So decade two, dogs 3 , jwm? What do you think of this as I've followed your advice and stuck too it and now I'm worse off,
Should I go on dut ?



11/5/12

1 year fin
3 years minox( foam/liquid)
Ru on and off ( been off since April 2012) ) want to start up on it..

Now to those that say I bounce around on treatments, this is simply not true.. it was just the first year it was like this....


Anyway since I'm marking my 1 year achievment on fin, thought I'd post some pics...enjoy











BASELINE Dec 2008: not on any treatments















Jan09: 1MG FIN ( MASSIVE SHEDDING)


Feb09 1MG FIN ( MASSIVE SHEDDING)
Mar09: 1MG FIN ( MASSIVE SHEDDING)



april09: 1MG FIN ( MASSIVE SHEDDING)










may09: 1MG FIN ( MASSIVE SHEDDING)



jun09: OFF FIN ( SHEDDING SLOWING)







july09: 0.5MG FIN ( MASSIVE SHEDDING, agian)














Aug 09: FIN 0.5, and started minox, shedding lot from minox



Sept09: OFF FIN, FROM HERE ON OUT, On Minox,
Hair started to get great off FIN, But the shedding damage was still done, had TE reaction the whole time while i was on it, hair thinned all over, including back and sides, Dr. Lee and my doctor told me to get off it.











oct09:Got OFF Minox ( GREAT regrowth) Got on FE ru









nov09: OFF minox ( GREAT REGROWTH/on ru still)




dec09 OFF minox ( GREAT REGROWTH/on ru still)




Jan 2010: OFF minox, OFF everything - hair STARTING TO shed bad, was maybe due to being off minox I thought ru was doing most of the work since i was only on minox for 2 months and kept my hair 4 montsh after going off minox)




feb:2010 Back on Minox after i took this pic, 1/2 through the month got back on minox ( heavy minox shedding) Still shedding





March 2010:shedding slowing Still on minox( Got back on RU )







Apr20 10: Great regrowth Still on minox and ru



May 2010:Great regrowth Still on minox and ru



June: 2010:Great regrowth Still on minox and ru/ started shedding bad


Jul 2010 :Still on minox and ru/ hair is back to baseline... shedding BAD!!!!!!









Aug 2010 - still on same treatments since Feb 2010, still shedding since June, almost 3 months of non stop shedding I still don't get how I can start back on treatments in Feb, go through 2 months of massive shedding and bu April of this year gain it all back only to lose it by end of June, ( makes no since)




Sept 2010- hair is not shedding, hair is getting better again, should be great by oct's update !!




another update 9/21/2010





UPDATE: 10/10/10- 8 months minox, 7 months ru, Not shedding as much still, however i had to go off ru due to being out for 1 month, hair starting to grow in thinner, but we'll see if it grows in thicker again, since im now back on FE ru. I was gonna restart propecia, however i am gonna wait till i'm in ru for 2 more months then add back in FIN. I want to see if the ru thickens the hair again after being off ru for the past month, i don't plan on running out ever again.














UPDATE: 11/08/10 ok Month 9 on minox and month 8 on ru. 11/08/10 UPDATE
My hair is yet again shedding bad. WHY ? I have no idea, many posters on this board said ride it out as the sheds will gets better. Has this happened to anyone ?
I am think of changing some things around like adding dut or fin, or switching to liquid or dropping ru. I am kind lost on where to go or what step to take to improve.any help would be of great help. Both pics below where taking on the same day. One is long and one is with a #4 haircut that i got today







12/03/2010
, OK this makes month 10 on minox foam and month 9 on ru, looks like my hair is getting worse, not shedding as much i guess, but hair is not growing in thicker, growing in thinner in fact, I still don't know if I should drop ru or continue as when i went off it for 3 weeks back on Sept 2010 my hair got better, could it be that the effects of ru where doing good or getting off was doing good ? Who knows?, still clueless on what to do.... hair sucks right now... till next month, wish me luck





Jan 2011- 11 months minox, 10 months ru, hair is still Shit, been shedding since early Oct.....



Jan 25th 2011 update- been off Ru for close to one month, after about 2 weeks of being off Ru hair stoped shedding, I'm not sure if I was shedding due to minox or Ru, do I'm still testing it out, it seemed odd I got 4 Massive sheds in 1 year, in late Feb. Depending on hoe my hair is doing ill decide which treatment caused the.many shedding cycles, at that point in time ill relook at treatments and decidecide what too do.













1 year update, Feb 9th, 2011- hair is going good again, not shedding at much and I'm only on rogaine foam 2 capfulls once daily, I was on Ru up until Xmas of 2010, and as noted in my timeline I had been going through some heavy sheds that ate not minox normal sheds,as I had 4 bad sheds within 1 year while on Ru and minox, so I decided to remove Ru too see if my hair got better and it did, I tried Ru alone in the past back in fall 2009, and I still ended up shedding, but what I'm doing now that ive neber done is minox alone, so I guess what I'm saying is I'm testing weather Ru hurt mote then helped. Time will tell, but as for my hair it started getting better about 2 weeks after I quit Ru. Pics below.












June 2011: still on minox now 16 months been on liquid 4ml at night for 2 months now. And ru 100mg per day. Below are pics. I dont know what too think of my hair. It feels thiner and im debating weather ot not to go back on fin 1mg per day. Thoughts??



















Aug2011: still on ru and minox foam, I use 130mg of ru, may increase to 150-200, my diffusion is better, and my temples are up, down, up, down.. but better then baseline, I think






























Jan 2012, on fin, minox.foam, ru. Been on ru and minox for 2 years now, I added minox liquid and.fin 2 1/2 months ago. Fin is turning my current hair all over into kinked, weak, dry, brittle hair, and my diffusion is resembling that of when I tried fin back in 2009. Am I getting a TE RH reaction again? Should i stop or press on. Anyone have this issue with fin usage and it improve at ?















Feb 7th 2012

Been on minox for 2 years, FIN for 3 1/2 momnths, dropped ru(for now), I am no longer seeing results from Minox so from here on out any progress will be from FIN usage, to mark that I have been taking pics of pre fin usage to fin usage, pics below


Before fin





2 1/2 months after fin







3 1/2 months on fin











MORE BEFORE AND AFTER COMPARING:


Pre fin usage




3 1/2 month fin usage





Pre fin



3 1/2 month.fin



Pre fin





3 1/2 months fin





I'm not sure if its shedding... Or regrowth of small hairs after a shed ???


Thoughts?



2/12/12




Next week Marks 4 months on fin, and 2 years & 2 months on minox, look at first page for updated timeline of pics while on treatments since 2008




















Above pics are bright light no product or Minox or nothing in it...





3/22/12- 5 months fin 1.25 mg, 2 years 3 months minox usage. ( started ru back up after being off it since November. Been 1 weeks now on it again)
Not sure what to think of these results. Looks like I'm not doing good. Need someone to folate each month for me and give me their input, thanks











Before fin



2.5 on 1.25.fin




VS.


3.5 months in fin 1.25mg





5 months fin 1.25





6 months on fin 1.25













To be honest I'm shocked I'm halfway through 1 year. Have not seen any gains yet. Wonder if I will even see gains. May go on dut after the 1 year mark, thoughts?




6.5 months fin 1.25, 2 1/2 years minox, dropped ru 1 month ago ( giving fin a fair shot)














7 MONTH UPDATE ON FIN

7 MONTHS FIN OVER 2 1/2 YEARS MINOX, DROPPED RU 1 MONTH AGO
I've been shedding a lot, may be due to fin, I hope it slows down, been on it.for.7 months, I'm expecting for it to end soon, as others users tell me, we.shall see .

Wish me luck
... Blah!!!!!!



















8/23/12

Ok ,so I'm now month 10 fin and 3 years minox..


What can I say so far ?


Well I was told by many on this website to go on fin and stick it out , and I'm now month 10 and my hairline and hair density is not good, I've never stopped shedding upon taking fin, before fin my hair was ok, not shedding much, this was when I was on Ru and minox, now I'm on fin almost 1 year while staying on minox and I've been off Ru... End result , my hair is shit,



So decade two, dogs 3 , jwm? What do you think of this as I've followed your advice and stuck too it and now I'm worse off,


Should I go on dut ?















Today marks 1 full year of non stop FIN


11/5/12

1 year fin
3 years minox( foam/liquid)
Ru on and off ( been off since April 2012) ) want to start up on it..

Now to those that say I bounce around on treatments, this is simply not true.. it was just the first year it was like this....


Anyway since I'm marking my 1 year achievment on fin, thought I'd post some pics...enjoy


for the record.. no, I'm not naked...


And im now 26!!!


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Date Posted: 07/25/2010 04:10 PM
Posted By: JWM (Accomplished Poster)

Dude, stop. Please--just stop.



Date Posted: 07/25/2010 04:13 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

sorry for the big pictures, I'm making this so i can keep track of my treatments time line... I spent a lot of time making this... sorry lol... but this is a good track record with pic of everything ive done since Dec 2008,

JWM, sorry bro, this is just for reference and i'll add to it each month, we will see what happens

p.s Damn, again SORRY for the big pics, but you can still get an good idea about my documented timeline.

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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture

Edited: 07/25/2010 at 04:20 PM by irishpride86



Date Posted: 07/25/2010 04:23 PM
Posted By: wardog27 (Occasional Poster)

Minox was great for you.

But, what minox gives only minox keeps.





Date Posted: 07/25/2010 04:29 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

im still on minox

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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 07/25/2010 04:33 PM
Posted By: Cappy (Regular Poster)

Originally posted by: irishpride86please advise guys !

Irish I dont think JWM is referring to the size of the pics, maybe he's referring to this non-exitent answer which you keep searching for. As others have stated, no one can tell you when your shedding will stop. Only time can provide the answer which you seek. I know it sucks, trust me, I'm in the same boat you're in.

My advice, go to the gym!! Better yet, get into martial arts, it'll take your mind off this shedding crap and put your energy into better use.



Date Posted: 07/25/2010 04:35 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Again this is a time-line.... and im keeping track, thanks cappy for the thoughts bro !

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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 07/25/2010 05:30 PM
Posted By: Bora (Accomplished Poster)

Hey Irish

Your hairloss seems very diffuse, even the sides, did you have your thyroid etc checked out just in case it wasnt MPB? It probably is MPB, but just in case...



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DUT / RU58841



Date Posted: 07/25/2010 05:50 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Originally posted by: Bora

Hey Irish




Your hairloss seems very diffuse, even the sides, did you have your thyroid etc checked out just in case it wasnt MPB? It probably is MPB, but just in case...



Yes thyroid is good, te happened while I was on propecia , but I just restarted 2 days ago

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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 07/25/2010 05:58 PM
Posted By: paisano (Prolific Poster)

Yea, i'm going through a minox shed right now. I was doing real good on dut., but decided to give spectral dnc a try. Well these past 3 weeks have been a friggin nightmare. I almost wish I didn't start but i'm hoping this shed will bring a huge regrowth afterwards. So I dont know if this helps you, but sheds come and go, just fight through it. By the way good timeline.

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.5 avodart e.d. 2-26-10
1 mg finpecia e.d. 12-1-12
Nizoral 3X a week
Prox-N 1-18-2011 (stopped 1-15-12)
Minoxidil 12-12-09
Spiro (topical) 9-4-10

Revita 4X a week
Saw palmetto extract
Fish Oil
Super Hair Energizer 2X Daily.





Date Posted: 07/25/2010 10:02 PM
Posted By: Brock Landers (Regular Poster)

It looks like you started to get great regrowth a couple of months after you stopped fin and only a month after you started RU ( i wouldn't attribute that much regrowth to minox) Could it be that the regrowth was due to 8 months of fin, and finally stronger hair growing in? I can't imagine one month of RU would cause all that regrowth? I shed massively on 8 months of fin, this was over 8 years ago, The hair I lost never regrew though, after I stopped fin, I didn't start on anything else. Also, if you had such a bad reaction on fin, why are you considering going back on? Lastly, thanks for posting the pics, I personally think its informative to see a log of progress and appreciate the effort you put in.



Date Posted: 07/25/2010 10:11 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Well the regrowth was minox I think, and I'm thinking of adding fin because people on this board say u should, even though people Like you know what I mean with how fin can be bad, as in te shedding, etc

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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 07/25/2010 11:11 PM
Posted By: DecadeTwo (Accomplished Poster)

Lookin good man.

Your hair went from being much worse than mine to probably a little better than I am right now.

Watch out, though.  I restarted all my meds and I'm commin to get ya

Are you taking any tretinoin with that minox?  At first I considered it just a mild growth stimulant, but we were discussing in another thread why it is that, even with the best growth stimulants, regrowth seems to plateu after 2 years.

He mentioned that, even though AGA is often referred to as a non-scarring alopecia, once a follicle goes vellus it is an indication that it has been scarred.  Tretinoin is used to treat scars.

Then it got me thinking about that "full regrowth of hairline thread" (which sounds a little like BS to me), and I remembered reading that the drug the OP claimed worked for him was sulfasalazine, an antiinflamitory which has also been shown to reverse scarring in the liver (which is an organ just like the follicle).

Then there is the dermaroller, which is often used to treet scars, and I believe I remember reading a haircount study that showed it effective.

My point is:  now that you are the two year mark you can probably expect results to plateu, if they haven't already.  Perhaps the 'scar treatment' angle can get you some more regrowth, if you want it (not that you need it, your hair looks great...).



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NW < 2 since 1999

The plural of 'anecdote' is not 'evidence'.
--Alan I. Leshner

Correlation does not imply causation.
--Logic

When you believe in things that you don't understand then you suffer. Superstition ain't the way.
--Stevie Wonder

I'm not an MD, and I'm not a hair loss expert.



Date Posted: 07/25/2010 11:24 PM
Posted By: ahadabans (Accomplished Poster)

I think there is a clear difference between your first pictures and your final pictures, so for that I say way to go! Your hair is looking good.

Having said that, I think you are way over analyzing and bouncing treatments like a schizophrenic. You've been at this for less than two years and you've made like 27 regimen changes. As JWM said, just STOP! Pick something and use it for a year at least. There is no way you can make any reasonable deductions with that insane treatment history. Is that your hair loss treatment log or a paper on quantum mechanics? You are going to end up driving yourself mad. Just my opinion.

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Regimen:
.5mg Dut
Keto Shampoo
LLLT 3x weekly

Fin/Dut user - 18 years.

HT w/ Dr. Diep March 2014 - 1500 grafts, March 2015 - 1800 grafts

Magnum Opus
http://www.hairlosshelp.com/fo...10&threadid=115140



Date Posted: 07/26/2010 07:24 AM
Posted By: LosingBattle (Accomplished Poster)

Well your hair looked amazing after the minox use. Why the hell did you stop it? Surely keep stop starting all the time is causing more harm than good, to your mind if nothing else.



Date Posted: 07/26/2010 07:55 AM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Guys I've Bern on minox and ru Now for straight 6 months, no FIN as of yet, because you can see when I first started treatments my hair went into this weird TE reaction do I dropped FIN last summer, as you can see from the pics while I was on JUST fin my hair all over including sides and back thinned out, I don't think FIN is suppose to thin all your hair like that! So last summer around aug, I added minox and dropped fin, went through a bad minox shed but I was only on minox for 2 months last year, then dropped it and just went with ru, around this time I grew all my hair back, and only stayed on ru till Jan, of this year ( before I dropped it and ran out) now at the time I thought ru was doing all the work , because again I was only on minox for 2 months last year and kept my regrowth for 5 months , now I'm betting it was the minox that worked last fall, but what confused men was why did after that much regrowth from it and me only after being on it for two months then not being on it got 5 months ( people said minox should shed the hair shortly after treatment, not 5 months down the road) but with me it was 5 months after stopping treatment , and again I thought it was the ru. So anyone experience that, as in being on minox got a very short time, then being off it for long time then started shedding, instead of shedding sooner ?

Anyway so , fast forward to the beginning of this year, when I was shedding massively which was Jan/ early feb of this year 2010, I decided that minox was indeed good for me and so I stayed on minox and ru ( got on minox in Feb and RU in march) and I remain on it now 6 months later, went through my minox shed( again) at the start of treatment(again) and I did this and remained on treatments because I thought , Hey, I had a huge shed because I was not on minox, but if I stay on it I'll won't shed like I did when I dropped it...

So now ( as you can see from the pics above) I'm shedding really bad again, and its odd because this time, for the past 6 months Ive not changed a thing, after 2 months of shedding, then followed by 3 great months of regrowth now 5th/ 6th month mark I'm shedding bad again, so my shedding is STILL following my time-line of last year shedding ( even though I dropped treatments for 5 months and kept my gains, last year even after being off minox for 5 months, last year)

Now that I'm not doing that but rather staying on treatments I thought it would put and end to my every 6 months I shed theory , wrong.....

So here I am, shedding again it's strange and I don't get why I'm shedding so soon and so fast after only having my shed again 6 months ago and after 3 good months of regrowth...

But I'm remaining on my treatments this time, I hope my hair does come back again. This time, i hope this 6 month massive shedding BS stops or happens less,

Only thing now Is I want to add FIN but not sure if I should wait out his shed then add it or not add it at all since I am after all on ru, what is stopping me from adding fin again is how last year while I was on it it thinned my hair all over my head and caused a TE reaction, so that's what I need to think about doing, adding it or not adding it again...


Ok so there you have it! I hope this kinda clears up my treatments roller coaster for you guys to understand, again your thoughts or advice is always welcome...

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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture

Edited: 07/26/2010 at 08:05 AM by irishpride86



Date Posted: 07/26/2010 08:17 AM
Posted By: SilkySmooth (Accomplished Poster)

irishpride86

I dunno why you dropped the minoxidil, it was clearly doing good for you.
Definitely like the above posters said, just pick a regimen and stick with it for at least 8 months.
Eliminate the possibilities one by one, if after 8 months RU/Minoxidil/Whatever isnt working - then its good because u know
you can stop using it. And if its working.. it's good right?

By the way, facial hair is good for you.

- Did you ever take Accutane in your past?
You might want to talk with someone who really knows something about hairloss
i suggest maybe William Gaunitz, if you know him



Date Posted: 07/26/2010 09:02 AM
Posted By: jeffdom1978 (Regular Poster)

Dude, finally a solid thread that you started with everything in it... This is what we need instead of all the random help thread..

I really notice quite a swing in hair density... your hairline is very stable. The good thing about your hair is it is very sensitive to treatments, so at least you can def get it back if you can figure out the right mix of treatments.. but I know that IS the question..



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Currently Regimen:

- Spiro 2% Lotion
- Nano Shampoo
- Nizoral

On Order:

Eucapil (Fluridil) 3 months supply
RU 58841

Oral:
Biotin 5mg
Hair/Nails Multi-vitamin
LE Tocotrienols
Apple Cider Vinegar



Date Posted: 07/26/2010 08:02 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

ok, im now on my 3rd day on FIN 0.5 mg I hope i dont screw my self over


should i add Spiro cream 1x a day ?

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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture

Edited: 07/26/2010 at 08:18 PM by irishpride86



Date Posted: 07/26/2010 08:29 PM
Posted By: RichLocks (Accomplished Poster)

I think people should APPLAUD him for documenting the way he is.. i know he is going frantic with a lot of threads.. but at least he is sharing valuable information and very nice photos. I think it is AMAZING how your hair changes from month to month.. but that means its just a shed, and you are not losing these hairs permanently.

What i don't understand is.. if you thought the RU was the secret, why on earth ever stop that? I also would not get off the minox..



Date Posted: 07/26/2010 08:34 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

well im on minox and ru now for the past 6 months and dont plan on dropping it,

Also I just added back in FIN 3 days ago, I hope I don't get this TE shedding again



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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 07/26/2010 08:59 PM
Posted By: bevalaqua (Accomplished Poster)

Originally posted by: JWM

Dude, stop. Please--just stop.


LO(L That made me laugh.



Date Posted: 07/26/2010 09:02 PM
Posted By: bevalaqua (Accomplished Poster)

I think it is great btw that you did this pic timeline. I wish I would or could have done the same for myself.And I wish more people did it. But no one can really answer where your hair is going to go from here.



Date Posted: 07/26/2010 09:37 PM
Posted By: Tien (Prolific Poster)

Irish, Irish, Irish... you didnt shed you just cut your hair short exposing your balding.



Date Posted: 07/26/2010 09:44 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Originally posted by: Tien

Irish, Irish, Irish... you didnt shed you just cut your hair short exposing your balding.


uh, look, not true, i am/still shedding

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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 07/26/2010 09:49 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

jiggaman or anyone, should i go back on FIN even though ive shedding bad and had TE reaction ( meaning i sheded all over my head),

or what ?

Thanks again...

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Treatments
-------------
Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 07/26/2010 10:26 PM
Posted By: RichLocks (Accomplished Poster)

he is shedding.. that isn't hair length..



Date Posted: 07/27/2010 04:35 AM
Posted By: depressedyoungman (Regular Poster)

this is unrelated.. but how did irish put pictures in his post? and break sentences into paragraphs? enter key doesn't work..



Date Posted: 07/27/2010 06:09 AM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Fin or not to add fin, that is the question, read the last page then give me your, inputs...

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Treatments
-------------
Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 07/27/2010 09:06 AM
Posted By: Iggy Pop (Prolific Poster)

Decade two, do you just mix minox with tricomin and retin a cream in a shot glass and apply like that or do u apply them seperatly. Cheers man...





Date Posted: 07/27/2010 12:18 PM
Posted By: Jiggaman (Prolific Poster)


Irish I don't think its a bad idea for you to add fin as RU stopped the constant shedding and thinning that happened while I was just taking fin but I would have waited out the shed you were going through for a while longer. As now if you add fin now and the shedding stops tommorrow does that mean fin stopped it or did the shed run its course? Or if you keep shedding is that because you are now reacting bad to fin its impossible to tell as its one more variable, but I doubt you will care if your hairloss stops. In the long run though I think its a smart idea as its impossible to hit every follicle with RU everytime you apply it.

The only good theory Ive heard as to why people like you and me have accelerated shedding and thinning upon starting fin is because of a huge increase in testosterone which my bloodtests confirmed so RU should solve this problem for you as it seems to have for me. The one part of this that I don't think is clear is whether its the increase in scalp testosterone that causes the loss or whether the hormone imbalance created by fin causes TE. I think its at least partly the increase in scalp testosterone because of my success with RU but also think there is a case for the later as the sides of my head and other supposed non MPB zones have thinned some since starting fin and there was zero thinning there prior to fin.

Also I don't think your hair is that much thinner if any I think its the lenghth you have it at right now is the one thats going to show thinning the most and if you had left it at its previous length I don't think it would be much different.



Date Posted: 07/27/2010 02:32 PM
Posted By: dogs3 (Accomplished Poster)

Irish, why dont you just take the full 1mg of fin? Are you worried about TE again or what



Date Posted: 07/27/2010 02:47 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Jigga, no I had to buzz bc my shedding was scary loosing density , trust me on that, but it's Now 2 months of continues shedding, I'll wait 1 more month, then if the shedding does not slow down , then I'll add fin,

Wish me luck on this really bad shed I'm going through

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Treatments
-------------
Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 07/27/2010 05:17 PM
Posted By: dogs3 (Accomplished Poster)

i remember around this time last year me trying to convince you that your being stupid by dropping fin. haha. Here I am trying to convince you to get on fin again. This time you should listen instead of *****ing around for a year by adding and dropping treatments all the time and acting like a lunatic. Otherwise, keep it up and I'll try again next year.



Date Posted: 07/30/2010 08:45 AM
Posted By: hisroyalhighness (Prolific Poster)

I guess it's a work of supreme irony that he looks best with shorter hair.



Date Posted: 08/04/2010 09:32 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Aug 2010 - still on same treatments since Feb 2010, still shedding since June, almost 3 months of non stop shedding I still don't get how I can start back on treatments in Feb, go through 2 months of massive shedding and bu April of this year gain it all back only to lose it by end of June, ( makes no since)

pic update on first page

still not on FIN ( took it 1 day then stopped)

i have been on topical spiro for 1 week however, im waiting to see if I recover form this shed... ( its massive and i think its a minox shed as i got great results with it for 3 months then lost it all fast, you can see the first page for a timeline)

anyway i'll add FIN after this shed is done ( so i know how a minox shed looks like vs. a FIN shed)

and i did shed massive on FIN as you can see from the early start of my treatment timeline..

i hope i get my gains back...

treatments remained unchanged since Feb 2010 ( i added topical spiro last week though)

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Treatments
-------------
Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 08/05/2010 12:11 AM
Posted By: DecadeTwo (Accomplished Poster)

Originally posted by: irishpride86 Fin or not to add fin, that is the question, read the last page then give me your, inputs...

I say fin.  You are shedding now without it, which leads me to believe there is a good chance your last shed had nothing to do with fin.

 



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NW < 2 since 1999

The plural of 'anecdote' is not 'evidence'.
--Alan I. Leshner

Correlation does not imply causation.
--Logic

When you believe in things that you don't understand then you suffer. Superstition ain't the way.
--Stevie Wonder

I'm not an MD, and I'm not a hair loss expert.



Date Posted: 08/05/2010 12:13 AM
Posted By: DecadeTwo (Accomplished Poster)

Originally posted by: Iggy Pop Decade two, do you just mix minox with tricomin and retin a cream in a shot glass and apply like that or do u apply them seperatly. Cheers man...

 

Seperately.  The alcohol in minox will actually cause the Copper Peptides in Tricomin to come out of solotion.

Tricomin dries fast, as it's water based with no PG, so I apply that first.  Then the minox, then the RU.  I guess I could switch the order of RU and Minox, but I wouldn't apply them at the same time because, again, the minox will cause some of the RU to come out of solution (I've tried making them into a single topical)



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NW < 2 since 1999

The plural of 'anecdote' is not 'evidence'.
--Alan I. Leshner

Correlation does not imply causation.
--Logic

When you believe in things that you don't understand then you suffer. Superstition ain't the way.
--Stevie Wonder

I'm not an MD, and I'm not a hair loss expert.



Date Posted: 08/05/2010 12:16 AM
Posted By: DecadeTwo (Accomplished Poster)

Originally posted by: dogs3 i remember around this time last year me trying to convince you that your being stupid by dropping fin. haha. Here I am trying to convince you to get on fin again. This time you should listen instead of *****ing around for a year by adding and dropping treatments all the time and acting like a lunatic. Otherwise, keep it up and I'll try again next year.

Dogs3 was right then, and is right now.

Think of it logically:  You are using RU, which is preventing DHT from binding to the AR.  You've probably reduced the amount of bound DHT by > 80%.

How much can preventing the conversion of T to DHT have an affect at this point?



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NW < 2 since 1999

The plural of 'anecdote' is not 'evidence'.
--Alan I. Leshner

Correlation does not imply causation.
--Logic

When you believe in things that you don't understand then you suffer. Superstition ain't the way.
--Stevie Wonder

I'm not an MD, and I'm not a hair loss expert.



Date Posted: 08/05/2010 03:09 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Has anyone had a bad minox shed and shed from all sides of the head ?

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Treatments
-------------
Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 08/08/2010 09:48 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Ok, I think good things are ,"starting" to happen... Will update you guys in 1 weeks to make sure..

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Treatments
-------------
Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 08/08/2010 10:25 PM
Posted By: Thyroids (Accomplished Poster)

Irish, you taking fin or not?



Date Posted: 08/09/2010 08:14 AM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

No fin

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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 08/09/2010 10:08 AM
Posted By: willwork4hair (Regular Poster)

make up your mind dude.  one minute it's good, then bad and now good again.  I was thinking of stopping minox based on your progress.



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Date Posted: 08/09/2010 10:21 AM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Make my mind up ??? What ???

Ive stayed on same treatments since feb of this year

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Treatments
-------------
Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 08/15/2010 04:58 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Ok... Been 1 1/2 weeks of little shedding ... I think by early- mid sept my hair will have grown back by this recent minox shed, ive had 3 of these in the past year they all last 2-3 month then followed by 3-4 good months of regrowth, then shed again..

Ive been told by many on this site that shedding will level out and occur less, but i have not seen this...



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Treatments
-------------
Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 08/15/2010 09:55 PM
Posted By: Adam4210 (Occasional Poster)

What is RU exactly?

 

I have been on Finasteride for almost 4 months and still shedding :\





Date Posted: 08/26/2010 10:53 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

***** !!!!!


Finally shedding has virtually stopped,

Now I await regrowth ... Should be golden by end of sept...


I tell ya been through three massive sheds in the past year, I hope it become less frequent ....

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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 09/08/2010 04:09 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

ok, Sept 2010 pics are up !!!

6 1/2 months of ru non stop
7 months of roagaine foam non stop



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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 09/16/2010 03:04 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

9/16/2010 - update









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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 09/16/2010 03:07 PM
Posted By: Sir_Balding (Prolific Poster)

Looks fine.



Date Posted: 09/16/2010 03:16 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

yah, im torn on weather i should add back in FIN, im just scared of the massive te shedding again.... However i am on ru.

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Treatments
-------------
Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 09/16/2010 03:19 PM
Posted By: Sir_Balding (Prolific Poster)

If isn't broke, don't fix it.



Date Posted: 09/17/2010 12:46 AM
Posted By: StandStrong (Accomplished Poster)

Nice Irish.

In spite of your crazy shedding and freaking out you stayed the course and are now reaping the rewards. Congrats dude.

Let this be a lesson for others. Too many throw in the towel after a couple months.

About the fin, I think you should just stay the course with minox and RU for at least 3-6 more months. Let things settle and give your hair a chance to get used to things as they are.

Do you leave your roagine foam in all day Irish or do you wash it our after an hour or so?

Edited: 09/17/2010 at 01:02 AM by StandStrong



Date Posted: 09/17/2010 09:55 AM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Leave foam on all day wash out at night apply ru, repeat

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Treatments
-------------
Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 09/17/2010 10:15 AM
Posted By: Dobo (Prolific Poster)

Just wanted to say thank you for taking great pics! Good luck man, looks like you are getting this all figured out, people get on you for freaking but this is a scarey ride and you are just getting experienced in your own way.





Date Posted: 09/21/2010 09:59 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

another update 9/21/2010



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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 10/10/2010 09:07 AM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

10/10/10 - 8 months of minox, 7 months of ru: Not shedding as much still, however i had to go off ru due to being out for 1 month, hair starting to grow in thinner, but we'll see if it grows in thicker again, since im now back on FE ru. I was gonna restart propecia, however i am gonna wait till i'm in ru for 2 more months then add back in FIN. I want to see if the ru thickens the hair again after being off ru for the past month, i don't plan on running out ever again.

see first page for updated pics


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Treatments
-------------
Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 10/10/2010 01:39 PM
Posted By: TP-82 (Regular Poster)

You've had some great regrowth success, thanks for the updates!



Date Posted: 11/08/2010 05:55 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

ok Month 9 on minox and month 8 on ru. 11/08/10 UPDATE


My hair is yet again shedding bad. WHY ? I have no idea, many posters on this board said ride it out as the sheds will gets better. Has this happened to anyone ?

I am think of changing some lings around like adding dut or fin, or switching to liquid or dropping ru. I am kind alost on where to go or what step to take to improve.

any help would be of great help.

pics posted on first page.

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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 11/08/2010 06:24 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

you know, maybe minox foam is making me go through these crazy sheds every 2 or 3 months...

Should i switch to liquid maybe ?

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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 11/08/2010 06:49 PM
Posted By: Farrel (Moderator)

I wouldn't worry about the sheds, it happens when you have a program that works. It's usually because you have a lot of follicles whose growth cycles are synchronized.

I've always felt my hair was getting a lot worse right before it started looking a lot better.

Also, I can't see why switching to liquid would prevent a shed, I personally would stay on the foam.

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Disclaimer - I am not a physician or an expert and my advice should not be considered medical/expert advice. - If you follow my opinions and/or advice you do so at your own risk.



Date Posted: 11/08/2010 06:53 PM
Posted By: Jiggaman (Prolific Poster)


I wouldn't switch to liquid I tried this once only for month and it did a lot of damage. Foam absorbs way better in my opinion, I wish I could make RU into a foam. If you want to try liquid minox I would start using twice per day along with RU. One application liquid one and one foam. Also I think your sheds have more to do with you running out of RU for a month at a time every few months than anything. If Im you I wouldn't run out so you can properly judge the results. I would think every time you run out of RU for that long its like starting from scratch again.



Date Posted: 11/08/2010 07:15 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Originally posted by: Jiggaman

I wouldn't switch to liquid I tried this once only for month and it did a lot of damage. Foam absorbs way better in my opinion, I wish I could make RU into a foam. If you want to try liquid minox I would start using twice per day along with RU. One application liquid one and one foam. Also I think your sheds have more to do with you running out of RU for a month at a time every few months than anything. If Im you I wouldn't run out so you can properly judge the results. I would think every time you run out of RU for that long its like starting from scratch again.


i have not run out of ru for the past 1 1.2 month now

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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 11/08/2010 07:16 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Originally posted by: Farrel

I wouldn't worry about the sheds, it happens when you have a program that works. It's usually because you have a lot of follicles whose growth cycles are synchronized.



I've always felt my hair was getting a lot worse right before it started looking a lot better.



Also, I can't see why switching to liquid would prevent a shed, I personally would stay on the foam.


ok, but i thought over time after using minox for a long time, like myself that I would get less sheds.

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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 11/08/2010 07:36 PM
Posted By: Jiggaman (Prolific Poster)


did you not say last week that you were out of RU and your hair was growing in thinner again?



Date Posted: 11/08/2010 07:39 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Originally posted by: Jiggaman

did you not say last week that you were out of RU and your hair was growing in thinner again?


last week ? lol no that was over a month ago buddy

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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 11/08/2010 07:51 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

so jigga you think i should just stay on what im doing, correct ?

No internal blockers ?

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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 11/08/2010 09:50 PM
Posted By: takingaction (Accomplished Poster)

A few of us are still waiting for an update on the unknown underlying medical condition that probably is causing that and other things.

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"Maybe it's because I'm older and wiser, but I just cannot understand why some people are so reckless with their health."



Date Posted: 11/09/2010 09:01 PM
Posted By: Jiggaman (Prolific Poster)


Irish I think you should stay the course. Your hair is decent half of the time at least so thats better than quitting RU and going bald. I agree with poster above that sheds should become less frequent. I haven't shed as much with RU but when I have its proved to be very positive. I think RU is the most effective androgen treatment out there or it least it has been for me. Im one year exactly today and my hair is 100% better than it has been at any time since fin caused me massive shedding.

If anything I think you should add fin or Dut but do it slowly to let your body adjust. I would advise against completely dropping foam and going to liquid as like I say it regressed me a lot when trying this and I only did it for a short time. I would add a second application of minox per day before dropping foam which I think you will really regret.





Date Posted: 11/10/2010 12:50 AM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Originally posted by: Jiggaman

Irish I think you should stay the course. Your hair is decent half of the time at least so thats better than quitting RU and going bald. I agree with poster above that sheds should become less frequent. I haven't shed as much with RU but when I have its proved to be very positive. I think RU is the most effective androgen treatment out there or it least it has been for me. Im one year exactly today and my hair is 100% better than it has been at any time since fin caused me massive shedding.



If anything I think you should add fin or Dut but do it slowly to let your body adjust. I would advise against completely dropping foam and going to liquid as like I say it regressed me a lot when trying this and I only did it for a short time. I would add a second application of minox per day before dropping foam which I think you will really regret.


im lost on what your saying....


1)you say i should stay the course, then you say i should add fin or dut , but then you said you shed on FIN as i have massively in the past as you know.


2)Then you say you agree that sheds should become less frequent, indicating what in my case ?



3)Then You say RU is powerful, so why bother adding FIN or DUT


please explain,

thanks bro

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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 11/10/2010 09:41 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

bump

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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 11/12/2010 01:59 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

bump for jigga

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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 11/12/2010 08:40 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

jigga, bump

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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 11/15/2010 05:03 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

bump for jigga

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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 11/15/2010 06:07 PM
Posted By: Jiggaman (Prolific Poster)


Personally I would add something like fin/dut also as you shed like hell the same as me when just on fin worse than prior to starting. We have had almost the same regimen over the last year both of us Foam/RU and me also on fin which I dropped 3 months ago for Dut. I think my hair has been more much more stable than yours over that time period. I have had a few smaller sheds but they haven't been as severe as yours and a couple of weeks after my hair has gotten better and I have held those gains. So I think my improvement has been more steady and constant rather than big lows and big highs. Still improving also.

I have followed your case closely as I wondered if I was making a mistake keeping an internal anti-androgen and whether it was taking away effectiveness from RU/foam and at this point I would say it seems not too. The only thing that still makes me wonder is you have had periods where you have run out of RU where as I haven't so I don't know if those periods where you have run out of RU have caused your shedding. The people who have started RU even if only for a short time and then quit, once they have stopped it seems like their hair goes downhill in a hurry so it seems to me running out even if only for a week or two can cause serious damage. At this point Id be extremely worried if I ran out or I had to quit.



Date Posted: 11/15/2010 09:45 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

well im not running ou of ru anymore, question is do i add fin or dut, btw my hair is doing ok still...

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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 11/16/2010 12:12 AM
Posted By: Viens (Regular Poster)

Hey irish,

I've read some stories about Rogaine foam causing bad sheds... have you tried the liquid?

BTW, your hair looks great when you're not in shedding period!

How about some other supplements such as trans-resveratrol, silica complex?

What shampoo do you use?

Regards,
Viens



Date Posted: 11/22/2010 04:32 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

been shedding bad for this past month, however...... these past 2 days shedding has gone down, will update with pics like i always do on dec 9th.

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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 12/03/2010 12:42 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

update Dec 3rd with pics first page

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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 12/04/2010 03:23 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

after going back and forth, on my FIN decision I have concluded to start it AGAIN, and remain on it, ive been on minox and ru for close to one year, and i think I have reached the max of results with it, I keep shedding every 2-3 months, and only thing I have not added back in is FIN, so what do I have to lose right ? I shed anyway.... So toppik is gonna be my friend for the next year ! I know if I want to stop I can recover, and i know FIN wont HURT my hair, but may cause it to be in TE state, "BUT" TE state is reversible, as i tried tested this last summer, when I quit. BUT the "main" difference now compared to last year is I'm on minox and RU , minox should get my hairs to remain out of TE state, and RU to block any raised TE levels..... Jiggaman has been through what i have and he seems fine. Farrel our moderator, stooped FIN because of shedding, but got back on it and remained on minox and he seems fine as well....


So with that being said im done with back and forth bullshit... im now "STAYING" on FIN for at LEAST 1 year, wish me luck, and i hope next year i will look back and laugh at this tread and love the fact im on FIN ( i hope).


With that being said, im now gonna update this every 3 months... so I will update this again in late FEB 2011



i gotta say though here is what my hair looked like after 7 months of FIN last year: NOTE: THE BELOW PICS ARE OF MY HAIR LAST YEAR AFTER 7 MONTSH OF FIN SHEDDING







am i making a mistake by restarting FIN ?

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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture

Edited: 12/04/2010 at 05:13 PM by irishpride86



Date Posted: 12/04/2010 05:08 PM
Posted By: bevalaqua (Accomplished Poster)

Originally posted by: irishpride86

after going back and forth, on my FIN decision I have concluded to start it AGAIN, and remain on it, ive been on minox and ru for close to one year, and i think I have reached the max of results with it, I keep shedding every 2-3 months, and only thing I have not added back in is FIN, so what do I have to lose right ? I shed anyway.... So toppik is gonna be my friend for the next year ! I know if I want to stop I can recover, and i know FIN wont HURT my hair, but may cause it to be in TE state, "BUT" TE state is reversible, as i tried tested this last summer, when I quit. BUT the "main" difference now compared to last year is I'm on minox and RU , minox should get my hairs to remain out of TE state, and RU to block any raised TE levels..... Jiggaman has been through what i have and he seems fine. Farrel our moderator, stooped FIN because of shedding, but got back on it and remained on minox and he seems fine as well....





So with that being said im done with back and forth bullshit... im now "STAYING" on FIN for at LEAST 1 year, wish me luck, and i hope next year i will look back and laugh at this tread and love the fact im on FIN ( i hope).





With that being said, im now gonna update this every 3 months... so I will update this again in late FEB 2011







i gotta say though here is what my hair looked like after 7 months of FIN last year:















am i making a mistake by restarting FIN ?


It can't hurt you are a diffuse thinner really bad. From your latest pictures I can see no other outcome but you are going bald. That last pic of your head in an overhead view. if I saw you on the street I would say that dude is really going bald.




Date Posted: 12/04/2010 05:11 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Originally posted by: bevalaqua

Originally posted by: irishpride86



after going back and forth, on my FIN decision I have concluded to start it AGAIN, and remain on it, ive been on minox and ru for close to one year, and i think I have reached the max of results with it, I keep shedding every 2-3 months, and only thing I have not added back in is FIN, so what do I have to lose right ? I shed anyway.... So toppik is gonna be my friend for the next year ! I know if I want to stop I can recover, and i know FIN wont HURT my hair, but may cause it to be in TE state, "BUT" TE state is reversible, as i tried tested this last summer, when I quit. BUT the "main" difference now compared to last year is I'm on minox and RU , minox should get my hairs to remain out of TE state, and RU to block any raised TE levels..... Jiggaman has been through what i have and he seems fine. Farrel our moderator, stooped FIN because of shedding, but got back on it and remained on minox and he seems fine as well....











So with that being said im done with back and forth bullshit... im now "STAYING" on FIN for at LEAST 1 year, wish me luck, and i hope next year i will look back and laugh at this tread and love the fact im on FIN ( i hope).











With that being said, im now gonna update this every 3 months... so I will update this again in late FEB 2011















i gotta say though here is what my hair looked like after 7 months of FIN last year:































am i making a mistake by restarting FIN ?




It can't hurt you are a diffuse thinner really bad. From your latest pictures I can see no other outcome but you are going bald. That last pic of your head in an overhead view. if I saw you on the street I would say that dude is really going bald.


are you reading the pics ???? I said this" gotta say though here is what my hair looked like after 7 months of FIN last year:"

The two posted above were while i was on FIN last year after my massive 7 months of shedding

LOL SEE people said i looked bald WHILE ON FIN !!! lol I guess that is my answer to not go on FIN... FML



OR I SHOULD HAVE STUCK WITH IT AT THE TIME... THOUGHTS BOYS ?

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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture

Edited: 12/04/2010 at 06:14 PM by irishpride86


Date Posted: 12/04/2010 06:38 PM
Posted By: samiam (Prolific Poster)

Honestly, why dont you stick with your current treatment regiment + use DUTA instead of FIN + VERY LEAST consider topical antiandrogen applications of spiro and keto + E3?
Im assuming your dermarolling to help absorption, blood flow and hair growth...


If I were in your situation I would also be using growth factors and hgh (assuming you could afford it and get it).



That way youve got all the ingredients to regrow your hair until something else comes out such as cloning, gene therapy etc.



Date Posted: 12/04/2010 07:24 PM
Posted By: jaydee1 (Newbie)

Truly amazing posting. In all my years visiting, I have never seen someone like you, congratulations. You are helping the whole community. I wish
you the best of luck!



Date Posted: 12/04/2010 08:28 PM
Posted By: bevalaqua (Accomplished Poster)

I hear ya then. Yeah fin made you look just terrible then. I wouldn't go back ion that. You looked really diffuse. Have you ever tried dut? Although some people report initial shedding on fin before results.



Date Posted: 12/04/2010 08:32 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Originally posted by: bevalaqua

I hear ya then. Yeah fin made you look just terrible then. I wouldn't go back ion that. You looked really diffuse. Have you ever tried dut? Although some people report initial shedding on fin before results.


why would i go on dut ??? if fin did this... dut would be worse..

maybe i should take it and keep taking it, i mean i did recover after quitting right ?

Im now been on minox and ru now 9 months, maybe it will get me outta that FIN TE state,

thoughts ?

Go on FIN or Not go on FIN ?

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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 12/05/2010 07:31 AM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

bump

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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 12/05/2010 08:17 AM
Posted By: jkalex05 (Regular Poster)

Double post sorry.

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Regenpure NT/DR Shampoo Daily
Centrum, Biotin 3mg, B-Complex Daily
Omega 3-6-9 x2 Daily



Date Posted: 12/05/2010 08:18 AM
Posted By: jkalex05 (Regular Poster)

What I don't understand is how a system DHT blocker like Propecia alone was enough to cause the massive shedding. Seems to me you were having an adverse effect to it.

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Regenpure NT/DR Shampoo Daily
Centrum, Biotin 3mg, B-Complex Daily
Omega 3-6-9 x2 Daily



Date Posted: 12/05/2010 08:39 AM
Posted By: hairshock (Accomplished Poster)

Irish,
dude your pictures are taken with the purpose to be deceiving. I mean you have sth in your head like that fin is destroying your hair, and then post pics with super short hair and your head from weird angles and insane lightning and we are asked to compare these with long hair and normal lightning and angles pictures.

I am not saying you were not shedding, i am just saying that it does not look to me that it was THAT bad. it is that you are intentionally exaggerating the problem in these pictures. Your pre treatment pics are not that different than the "post finasteride shed" in my opinion. Just shorter hair from weird angles and lightning.

Noone can help you dude i am sorry. Try again fin or dont. noone cant tell you if you are gonna shed again while on it.

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Sep '10 Fin 0.8-1mg/day
June '05 Niz 2% 3x week



Date Posted: 12/07/2010 08:13 AM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Good god ***** my life, so I've been back on fin for 1 1/2 weeks, and guess what...... shedding thick hairs from all over the scalp again, just like I did last year, what should I do guys ?

Below pic is 2 weeks ago



Below pic taken just now




Both are same length in hair...


should listen to my gut feeling and do it works for me ,jiggaman, care to chime in....

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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture

Edited: 12/07/2010 at 08:21 AM by irishpride86



Date Posted: 12/07/2010 10:32 AM
Posted By: daMan (Accomplished Poster)

looking at the pics of your room, looks like you're a slob



Date Posted: 12/07/2010 10:35 AM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

the above pics you talk about in my old apartment , and I agree,it was when I was in college and I worked 2 jobs I'd didn't care and that's last summer when I was on propecia for 7 months after my shedding

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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 12/07/2010 01:05 PM
Posted By: grove (Accomplished Poster)

your hair while on RU and foam seemed great, and that pic of you on 7 months of fin looked freaking horrible.



Date Posted: 12/07/2010 01:21 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Originally posted by: grove

your hair while on RU and foam seemed great, and that pic of you on 7 months of fin looked freaking horrible.



Yep, I know but many on this board seem to think fin can not cause that te reaction, so I've been back on fin for 1 week now...


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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 12/07/2010 01:28 PM
Posted By: Rogar6 (Regular Poster)

Irish, you might find this conversation helpful http://www.hairlosstalk.com/in...658de3cd343424ec360991



Date Posted: 12/07/2010 01:36 PM
Posted By: Rogar6 (Regular Poster)

Have you ever considered/tried less fin? Maybe all you need is eod or every 3 days.
We've all read stories of people who had bad or no results from fin but they always seem to be taking the max recommended dose. You might be trying to put out a match with a water cannon.



Date Posted: 12/11/2010 05:46 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

And the shed continues, this is Prolly the worse my hair has ever looked, I'm too scared to even post pics,I'm going through toppik like crazy,


Treatments remained unchanged, 10 month minox, 9 months ru, weird just 2 months ago my hair was great, FML

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Treatments
-------------
Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 12/11/2010 06:16 PM
Posted By: Human (Prolific Poster)

Hang in there, Irish! You can make it! Stick with what works and keep on fighting! You can do it!

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- Castrated on the 9th of December, 2010.
(formerly on 300mg of Spironolactone a day and 1.25mg of Finasteride a day)

- 2mg of Estrace (Estradiol-17) a day - Since Aug 2010

- Minoxidil, aplied once a day (or at least I try... I'm so forgetful... >.< ) - Since Sept 2010

NOTE ~ I'm a transsexual woman. I'm making it clear, because there has been confussion. Now you know! ^o^



Date Posted: 12/11/2010 08:43 PM
Posted By: csmike (Regular Poster)

Irishpride, that latest pic of yours, your hair looked so much thicker than the one after 7 months of FIN. I honestly don't think you should worry too much about it and just stick with whatever's working for you. I really think you don't look bad at all even with your almost bald pic, at least you don't have the "bald spot with thick ring of hair" look, I think that's the worst type of baldness you could have. Yours seemed a bit more diffused, but even then, I don't think you'd look bad at all if you shaved it all off.



Date Posted: 12/21/2010 05:13 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Update 12/22/10 shedding still bad, nothing changed in treatments, coming up on 11 months




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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 01/01/2011 07:00 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Page 1 updated. 11 months minox, 10 months ru, hair is still Shit, been shedding since early Oct.....

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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 01/02/2011 07:43 AM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Bump

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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 01/02/2011 03:59 PM
Posted By: TDG (Newbie)

You don't look that bad to me.

I'm bearing my own story in mind. When I put a flash camera to my head, after I'd applied minoxidil, I look literally almost bald. I was horrified the first time I did it. I didn't recognise what I saw.

I got home, brushed the grease out of my hair, looked in the mirror, and it wasn't anywhere near like that. I couldn't see any patches. Lesson? Flash cameras make hair loss (especially short hair) look a million times worse.

To me, even your thinnest hair didn't look that thin, considering it was a close-up and your hair was wet/gelled/greased.

In recent times, I've begun to notice how even people with what I perceive as 'thick' hair look much thinner under the light, and their scalp is more visible.

What you have done is almost convinced me NOT to go through with my own minoxidil regimen. I'm into my 2nd month on it now, but unless I see very impressive results, I've not going on and I'll let myself shed.

I used to get skin problems, and I remember worrying way too much when it wasn't that bad. I don't want to get like that again, only with hair this time. Life's too short.

Surely the worrying can't make your supposed hair loss any better? But best of luck though!






Date Posted: 01/03/2011 09:07 PM
Posted By: Miguel (Prolific Poster)

IrishPride - Congrats on the progress! Where are you getting your RU from? Do you have a link? I have diffuse loss as well and tried RU years ago, but maybe I should give it another go.



Date Posted: 01/06/2011 04:00 PM
Posted By: Miguel (Prolific Poster)

Bump



Date Posted: 01/08/2011 12:56 AM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Originally posted by: Miguel

IrishPride - Congrats on the progress! Where are you getting your RU from? Do you have a link? I have diffuse loss as well and tried RU years ago, but maybe I should give it another go.


Fe

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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 01/08/2011 08:35 PM
Posted By: Miguel (Prolific Poster)

what's fe? Do you have a link to the site? I'd like to order this weekend. Appreciate it.



Date Posted: 01/08/2011 08:42 PM
Posted By: bill2 (Prolific Poster)

Haha what a surprise, another guy tried to go it alone with topicals and ended up running back to propecia



Date Posted: 01/08/2011 09:17 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Originally posted by: bill2

Haha what a surprise, another guy tried to go it alone with topicals and ended up running back to propecia


I'm still not on propecia...




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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 01/08/2011 09:19 PM
Posted By: bill2 (Prolific Poster)

u will

BTW on 12/7/10 (barely a month ago) you posted

"Yep, I know but many on this board seem to think fin can not cause that te reaction, so I've been back on fin for 1 week now... "



Date Posted: 01/08/2011 09:39 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Originally posted by: bill2

u will



BTW on 12/7/10 (barely a month ago) you posted



"Yep, I know but many on this board seem to think fin can not cause that te reaction, so I've been back on fin for 1 week now... "


Yah, on the 8th day got off...


Have you seen my te reaction to fin timeline ? BTW

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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 01/09/2011 06:00 PM
Posted By: Miguel (Prolific Poster)

Link to RU source Irish? Thanks.



Date Posted: 01/09/2011 07:18 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Miguel, email owense its from faith eagle.

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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 01/25/2011 10:36 AM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Jan 25th 2011 update- been off Ru for close to one month, after about 2 weeks of being off Ru hair stoped shedding, I'm not sure if I was shedding due to minox or Ru, do I'm still testing it out, it seemed odd I got 4 Massive sheds in 1 year, in late Feb. Depending on hoe my hair is doing ill decide which treatment caused the.many shedding cycles, at that point in time ill relook at treatments and decidecide what too do.


UPDATE.PAGE 1 WITH PICS

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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture

Edited: 01/25/2011 at 10:55 AM by irishpride86



Date Posted: 02/09/2011 09:51 AM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

1 year update page 1, enjoy!

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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 02/09/2011 11:56 AM
Posted By: wakebdr32 (Accomplished Poster)

Imagine that, you drop FIN and RU and you appeared to thicken up considerably!
It may be premature to see if your cyclical sheds happen, but I told you it was potentially a worthwhile experiment to drop RU and see what happens...

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44yr old veteran and still NW2. Give your treatment reasonable time, monitor your results and do your own diligence. Many will respond differently to treatment regardless funded Pharma studies and peddlers that speak in absolutes...



Date Posted: 02/21/2011 09:26 PM
Posted By: hairykrishna (Accomplished Poster)

Irishpride, it's almost as if the hairs in your MPB region have synchronized growth cycles. They're in anagen for a few months, and then all at once they're in telogen again. Otherwise, you appear to have a lot of healthy follicles on your head. The problem is they all decide to grow and shed hair in unison. I'm interested to see if the cycle repeats itself this year.

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I now provide chemical testing to protect my bald(ing) brothers from being scammed over the internet. PM me if you are interested.



Date Posted: 02/21/2011 09:28 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Originally posted by: hairykrishna

Irishpride, it's almost as if the hairs in your MPB region have synchronized growth cycles. They're in anagen for a few months, and then all at once they're in telogen again. Otherwise, you appear to have a lot of healthy follicles on your head. The problem is they all decide to grow and shed hair in unison. I'm interested to see if the cycle repeats itself this year.


well i dropped ru... so im just on minox.... if it sheds agoan in cycles, then i know i need to add back in ru, we shall see

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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 03/02/2011 12:39 AM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

well my hair is shedding again, not a lot.... but im starting to see how ,"shedding" may not be the enemy after all.... its when hair gets thinner and thinner, not when it all sheds at once, because it WILL come back ive come to learn...


so in my above posts I made a promise to give minox a full 3 months alone run, ... and i can say im shedding( not lots) but i see my hair getting thinner fast, which tells me, maybe I should add in Propecia and ride it out for at least a year whilke on FIN...


look, ive been through sheds.... been on minox for 13 months now, I think I'm ready to add back in FIN ( read the first page for details), I mean what could go wrong ? TE reaction agian ( of which i can drop fin agian)

I think now that my hair is stronger from minox since its been ( 13 months on it) that adding back in FIN now at this stage MAY help...




So now that ive been on minox for 13 months, I will add FIN to the treatments list....




I don't have money for ru58841 right now, but will try to add it it when I can..


any insights guys ?


wish me luck !

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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 03/02/2011 10:35 AM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

bump:


this story inspired me to get on propecia again:

http://www.hairlosstalk.com/in...t=15507&st=0&sk=t&sd=a

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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture

Edited: 03/02/2011 at 11:28 AM by irishpride86



Date Posted: 03/02/2011 08:15 PM
Posted By: Ken (Regular Poster)

Yeah, I've been skimming that thread too.

The frustrating thing is, just like him I shed horribly for 14-15 months and stopped Fin.

He shed horribly for 14-15 months, and then finally saw success in the months after that. Although he said months 10-12 were not bad, whereas I just shed straight through. I couldn't tell from my skimming, but I wonder if he had any Hyper reflex reactions, or if he shed from the side/neck area. That could be the difference.

shedding" may not be the enemy after all.... its when hair gets thinner and thinner,


This is really my problem too. During these sheds I see a lot of short, but thick, 1 to 1.5 inch hairs that don't have much miniaturization. There just being kicked out in every major shed and not being given the chance to grow.

Edited: 03/02/2011 at 08:23 PM by Ken


Date Posted: 03/03/2011 04:24 AM
Posted By: el_duterino (Accomplished Poster)

dude...unless you've tryed DUT + RU (100mg), you cannot even begin to realize the full potential of reducing androgens action.

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FIN 98~04
DUT 04~08
DUT + Flutamide & Fluridil ~08
DUT + RU ~09
RU only (20mg to 400mg/d 09~11)
RU+Minox 11~15
RU 20 mg/d (in 6ml Neogenic)
Now:
Adenogen
CB 03-01 25mg/d in 6ml Neo



Date Posted: 03/03/2011 04:00 PM
Posted By: DecadeTwo (Accomplished Poster)

Originally posted by: el_duterino

dude...unless you've tryed DUT + RU (100mg), you cannot even begin to realize the full potential of reducing androgens action.


Agreed, but I'd like to see what IP's hair looks like after another year or two without any antiandrogens before I fully accept he has AGA.

Of course, that's easy for me to say a about IP's hair.


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NW < 2 since 1999

The plural of 'anecdote' is not 'evidence'.
--Alan I. Leshner

Correlation does not imply causation.
--Logic

When you believe in things that you don't understand then you suffer. Superstition ain't the way.
--Stevie Wonder

I'm not an MD, and I'm not a hair loss expert.



Date Posted: 03/03/2011 04:07 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Originally posted by: DecadeTwo

Originally posted by: el_duterino



dude...unless you've tryed DUT + RU (100mg), you cannot even begin to realize the full potential of reducing androgens action.




Agreed, but I'd like to see what IP's hair looks like after another year or two without any antiandrogens before I fully accept he has AGA.



Of course, that's easy for me to say a about IP's hair.




so you still think i dont have AGA huh ?


I do dude.... and that thinning in the back has NOT came back since last summer FYI.... AND, as i discribed above i do think MAYBE FIN will help...but man im just so scared of getting RH or TE reactions again..... But you dont think that occurs.... just because someone has TE and RH reactions to FIN or RU does not mean they dont have AGA...


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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 03/03/2011 04:08 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Originally posted by: el_duterino

dude...unless you've tryed DUT + RU (100mg), you cannot even begin to realize the full potential of reducing androgens action.


huh ? are you just saying i should not waste my time on FIN but go with DUT ?

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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 03/03/2011 04:44 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

bump

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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 03/03/2011 04:55 PM
Posted By: Harry Balls (Accomplished Poster)

I think dut is overkill if you are using RU.

Irish, I would take fin and continue with RU. I don't see how some one could bald on that regimen.

Remain consistent. For what ever reason you shed, but that is not the same as permanent loss from mpb miniaturization. I would just ignor the sheds and sodier on.

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http://www.hairlosshelp.com/websites/Harry%20Balls/



Date Posted: 03/03/2011 04:57 PM
Posted By: DecadeTwo (Accomplished Poster)

Originally posted by: irishpride86

Originally posted by: DecadeTwo

Originally posted by: el_duterino

dude...unless you've tryed DUT + RU (100mg), you cannot even begin to realize the full potential of reducing androgens action.


Agreed, but I'd like to see what IP's hair looks like after another year or two without any antiandrogens before I fully accept he has AGA.

Of course, that's easy for me to say a about IP's hair.


so you still think i dont have AGA huh ?


No, I just said I didn't "fully accept" it yet.

Originally posted by: irishpride86
I do dude.... and that thinning in the back has NOT came back since last summer FYI....


Do you mean "back" or crown?

Originally posted by: irishpride86
AND, as i discribed above i do think MAYBE FIN will help...but man im just so scared of getting RH or TE reactions again.....


Did you actually get your androgen levels or see symptoms (e.g. increased aggressiveness and acne) that indicated RH? That should be easy enough to verify.

Originally posted by: irishpride86
But you dont think that occurs.... just because someone has TE and RH reactions to FIN or RU does not mean they dont have AGA...


I think you misunderstand what I think. I suspect that you might maybe possibly not have AGA because (1) an MD has told you that you have TE, and (2) because the pattern I see from your pics looks more like a TE pattern than an AGA pattern. (3) Furthermore, periods of visible shedding followed by regrowth is not typical of AGA, but can be associated with TE.

I'll concede that you could have both, but I have no doubt that minox and RU did not cause shedding behind your ear when you weren't on fin.

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NW < 2 since 1999

The plural of 'anecdote' is not 'evidence'.
--Alan I. Leshner

Correlation does not imply causation.
--Logic

When you believe in things that you don't understand then you suffer. Superstition ain't the way.
--Stevie Wonder

I'm not an MD, and I'm not a hair loss expert.



Date Posted: 03/03/2011 05:52 PM
Posted By: Jiggaman (Prolific Poster)

Irish,


Read these two studies at the bottom before going back on either. RH over powered Dut/RU for me. Dut with RU or Fin/RU was better at least for while than fin or Dut alone but RH eventually over powered. My hair is in 1000% better shape being off of both as I cant even tell I have MPB anymore. Decade and El Dut are giving good advice here for 95% of people but not for those who get RH. Go ahead and try one of the above combos or treatments again but I'll bet everything I have its going to end the same way. Others who have had the same RH reaction as us to anti-androgens of which if you look back there have ben many say it takes a long time (a year or two) before hormone levels completely normalize again

The RH reaction is apparently seen in a lot of prostate cancer patients and it appears some people just cannot take anti-androgens no matter how small or big a dose without huge uptick in Test and Androgen Receptors as their bodies do go into overdrive fighting the reduction of androgens and in these people anti-androgens or blockers make for a much worse androgen situation and the only treatment option for prostate cancer patients that react to these drugs like us is castration. It sounds as though everyone eventually has this reaction.



">http://www.hairlosstalk.com/in...=23&t=63359


http://www.psa-rising.com/medn.../62-ar-v7-hopkins.html

Edited: 03/03/2011 at 05:59 PM by Jiggaman



Date Posted: 03/03/2011 06:15 PM
Posted By: Harry Balls (Accomplished Poster)

Hi Jigga. I don't see how a mutation in cells from cancer has to do with mpb.

But as noted, Irish may not actually have mpb. I do know this, shedding has liitte to do with the actual progression of pattern baldness. If follicle are deprived of androgens they should not minaturize. Shedding is another matter. I think hormonal changes in the body may trigger TE some indiviuals, but not necesarily the progression of mpb.

Jigga, have you tried RU without fin or dut?

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http://www.hairlosshelp.com/websites/Harry%20Balls/



Date Posted: 03/03/2011 09:13 PM
Posted By: Jiggaman (Prolific Poster)

Hey harry,

In that article they are saying that androgen receptors when deprived of androgens eventually mutate and mutated receptors act as though they are taking androgens with out any androgenic stimulation and that bunch of genes that are usually only activated by androgens were also activated. To me this indictes that complete androgen deprivation doesn't solve everything and may create whole new problems. Castrates still produce some Test. so there must be some sort of happy medium for very low amounts of androgenic stimulation.

As far as Irish's situation his first pic before any treatments personally I think shows recession and pretty thin overall which I think most likely indicates MPB and he thinks he has MPB which we can all relate too at that point when it maybe not be completely obvious but we know we are losing hair and nobody takes fin just for the heck of it.

I agree with you that lots of this is TE like but the hair that doesn't shed gets thin fast also and loses pigment even on the sides and other permanent areas. My blood tests show that when Im on fin/Dut my free T skyrockets and seemingly doesn't stop going up. When you calculate it out the the rise in free T out does the lowered DHT even assumming 4 to 5 times less potency and there is no way of accounting for the upregulation of androgen receptors. I stuck it out for three years straight on fin/dut and it just doesnt stop. Both RU and Minox helped the situation for about a year each but the RH eventually over took both. I finally said ***** it mid way through October and tapered off Dut/Fin and upon quiting the whole thing reversed itself as quick as it started in the first place going back to normal thickness and density after a couple of months. Hair went back to baseline and then some likely from the minox. The problem is when does MPB start up again and how do you treat it.

As far as RU by itself I have done so for a month when I first started and for december after I quit Dut and I think it worked good by itself but my hair started recovering even quicker upon quitting it also. I think RU works really well but I think the increase in androgen receptors eventually decreases the results from it and evidence this by hair on the sides shedding and thinning on it even more so than fin/dut alone and the hair where it gets applied gets really sensitive when you miss a dose or two after sometime. Much of that theory is based on me still being Dut/fin at the same time. I tapered off Dut over months and quit RU cold turkey just to see if I still needed it and haven't so far, knock on wood. For me at least the two together seem to result in a massive increase in androgen receptors and free T which makes hair that wasn't sensitive to androgens prior to starting them really sensitive to androgens. I think Irish on RU alone shows a similar result. I don't know if we are applicable to everyone though as we both get the same RH reaction.

I wonder if RU alone maybe more effective either not used every day to try and control the increase in androgen receptors or taking a few weeks or a month off. Or do as they did in the study and taking weekends off.




Edited: 03/03/2011 at 09:21 PM by Jiggaman



Date Posted: 03/03/2011 10:24 PM
Posted By: DecadeTwo (Accomplished Poster)

Originally posted by: Jiggaman

Irish,





Read these two studies at the bottom before going back on either. RH over powered Dut/RU for me. Dut with RU or Fin/RU was better at least for while than fin or Dut alone but RH eventually over powered. My hair is in 1000% better shape being off of both as I cant even tell I have MPB anymore. Decade and El Dut are giving good advice here for 95% of people but not for those who get RH.


I agree with the premise. There are a fraction of men with alopecia that my advice does not apply to. Where we differ is that I think my advice almost universally applies to men with ANDRO-Genetic Alopecia.

Originally posted by: Jiggaman
Go ahead and try one of the above combos or treatments again but I'll bet everything I have its going to end the same way. Others who have had the same RH reaction as us to anti-androgens of which if you look back there have ben many say it takes a long time (a year or two) before hormone levels completely normalize again


We actually don't know how it's going to "end". Finasteride has only been around for 18 years, and only 14 years for AGA, so we don't really know what happens after 40 years.

The only thing we are sure of -- and that we've known for 70 years -- is that androgens are "prerequisite and incitant" in AGA. Since then there's been no debate about this within the medical community.

Originally posted by: Jiggaman
The RH reaction is apparently seen in a lot of prostate cancer patients and it appears some people just cannot take anti-androgens no matter how small or big a dose without huge uptick in Test and Androgen Receptors as their bodies do go into overdrive fighting the reduction of androgens and in these people anti-androgens or blockers make for a much worse androgen situation and the only treatment option for prostate cancer patients that react to these drugs like us is castration. It sounds as though everyone eventually has this reaction.


"Their bodies" don't do this. Malignant cancerous tissue does. It's a deductive fallacy to make the jump from cancerous cells in my prostate to dermal papillae cells that are reacting to an androgen stimulus just like God programmed them to (apoptosis being the logical opposite of malignancy).


(as to your first link)

Jigga, what? This study suggests what we all have already known: when you remove a hormonal stimulus you body tries to compensate. In the case of fin we already know that means more T production, and this study suggests the AR will also up-regulate...

... but so what? Can you make a case for how someone can still lose hair in the long-term, irrespective of HR or AR up-regulation, as 5arII levels approach 0?

We've known for 40 years that 5arII deficient pseudoherms don't see the progression of AGA, ever.

Even if 5arII is not inhibited, how can someone lose hair when T levels are 95% reduced through castration, or a pharmacological equivalent, at the follicle?

We've known for 3000 years that castrates don't see the progression of AGA, ever..

(as to your second link)

This is another study that suggests what's already known. Malignant prostatic cells often "evolve" to become "androgen independent", and thus, once you already have cancer androgen deprivation does not normally "cure" it.

Malignant cells tend to be resistant to apoptosis like that, which is after all why they are malignant cells.


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NW < 2 since 1999

The plural of 'anecdote' is not 'evidence'.
--Alan I. Leshner

Correlation does not imply causation.
--Logic

When you believe in things that you don't understand then you suffer. Superstition ain't the way.
--Stevie Wonder

I'm not an MD, and I'm not a hair loss expert.



Date Posted: 03/03/2011 11:00 PM
Posted By: Jiggaman (Prolific Poster)


Hey Decade,




Ill answer some of the other stuff tom. but for this one and I don't disagree but in quick search couldn't find anything saying otherwise. Do you have study that shows that androgen receptors only mutate when deprived of androgens in the presence of malignant cells? has this been tested on receptors being deprived in non cancerous cells?


Their bodies" don't do this. Malignant cancerous tissue does. It's a deductive fallacy to make the jump from cancerous cells in my prostate to dermal papillae cells that are reacting to an androgen stimulus just like God programmed them to (apoptosis being the logical opposite of malignancy).




Date Posted: 03/04/2011 12:39 AM
Posted By: DecadeTwo (Accomplished Poster)

Originally posted by: Jiggaman
Do you have study that shows that androgen receptors only mutate when deprived of androgens in the presence of malignant cells?


I'm not an oncologist, and I think there's about a 1% chance that an oncologist weighs in here, but here's my non-professional opinion:

First we should agree on the meaning of the word "mutate".

To me, this means the genetic code of a certain cell has been fundamentally changed.

In that context, I don't see how this applies to men with AGA.

In men with AGA, the cells of the DP have not mutated. Instead they are responding to an androgenic stimulus, just as God intended they should, in Her infinite wisdom: apoptosis.

(If the notion of God as a female offends anyone, then might I suggest that "superstition ain't the way" anyway)

Long story short, they miniaturize...

I think that the notion that we can logically extrapolate what we know of malignant cells onto the DP of men with AGA is fundamentally flawed (see also: apoptosis vs. malignancy).

We have two human models (Castrates and 5arII deficient pseudoherms) that demonstrate how we can prevent the long-term progression of AGA.

I believe that we can nearly invariably (~99% of the time) use this as a paradigm for the long-term treatment of AGA.

This may sound like a radical opinion, but keep in mind that we couldn't rule this interpretation out in 1997 -- when Propecia was approved -- and it's even harder to rule out today...

...it's almost enough to make you think that it's true...

Maybe androgens really are "prerequisite and incitant" in the progression of AGA, as Hamilton observed in the 40s.

There just isn't another viably paradigm for the etiology of AGA.

Believe it or not, I do agree with you on a basic level. There is no doubt in my mind that inhibiting 5arII will on average result in increased T production in the "apple sack". Based on that, it's not a stretch to think that the AR itself can be up-regulated with modern treaments -- as opposed to down-regulated through other modern treatments.

Eventually, though, you cross a threshold where the androgenic stimulus is not enough to incite BPH, Prostate Cancer, or AGA.

In other words, I completely believe that in the long-term -- we're talking decades here -- you cannot see the significant progression of AGA with modern antiandrogrenic treatment options.

I'm not saying you'll still be at or above baseline after 20 years, as 90% of men of fin are after only five, but I am saying that if you start antiandrogenic treatment at the very first signs you will never become a slap-head.

People, especially bald people, tend to find this notion offensive. My intention is certainly not to offend. It's just what I believe

To bring this whole discussion back home: I can't rule out that you and IP see "shedding" while on fin or RU or whatever. On the other hand I'm certain that if you two do have AGA in your 20s then you will become "Category 7 slap-heads" (in the immortal words of Norwood), if you don't prevent androgenic molecules from binding to the androgen receptors in the cells of your dermal papillae.

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NW < 2 since 1999

The plural of 'anecdote' is not 'evidence'.
--Alan I. Leshner

Correlation does not imply causation.
--Logic

When you believe in things that you don't understand then you suffer. Superstition ain't the way.
--Stevie Wonder

I'm not an MD, and I'm not a hair loss expert.



Date Posted: 03/04/2011 05:36 AM
Posted By: Jiggaman (Prolific Poster)


Decade,

I don't really disagree with you on any of the above. When I say mutate I'm wondering whether androgen receptors when completely deprived of androgens after some time start acting on their own to continue the same process? I have never heard of this in castrates but have heard doctors and user reports say that androgen damage eventually resumes on internal androgen blockers such as Spiro, Flutamide and casodex which if work how they are said too theoretically shouldn't happen. Although with all of those drugs Testosterone increases a lot it should be 100% blocked.

I don't disagree with you that Irish and I if we don't find a way to treat AGA we are f'd but it's tough to do so when the drugs that would best help us cause a TE reaction and seemingly aggressively thins any hair not shed. For me at least my blood tests show my free T gets insanely high on internal anti-androgens and likely causes this and I have no idea how to get around it as I have tried just about everything to beat this. Once off my hair completely recovered and fast and Im seemingly not thinning anywhere anymore and trust me Im vigilant abut checking. Im not losing hair at the moment and haven't been for the last three months so this is easy to say now but I need to see what happens off of fin for a year and see if and how MPB progresses.I first started fin at 27 because of recession akin to a mature hairline as at that time I was ill informed and had no idea about mature hairlines so who knows maybe it stops there as my Dad is 60 with teenage hair but Im doubtful.



Date Posted: 03/04/2011 09:19 AM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

jigga,

I will say that if you look at my before pics it suggests I do have mpb, but it could have been TE before, I doubt it, since there was ressecion, also since being off FIN since summer of 09, my hair still went through these TE like sheds.... which tells me maybe ru has to do with it or the minox ?


but since being off ru and only minox since dec 2010, almost 3 months, i can say my front hairline is thinning and growing in thinner, not shedding a lot, but thinning, which indicates to me MPB,


I have just about tested what works and what does not work with my hair, minox works, but fin alone or ru alone did not work...



i know if i remain on just minox that my hair will not improve.



so, to come to a conclusion, i really dont know what to do at his point.


im staying on minox ( been on it for 13 months) but im not sure if i need fin or ru or both or if it will cause TE, etc...


harry balls, seems to make the most since to me,


i suggest everyone to look at my timeline on page 1 and then suggest what i should do,

thanks in advance guys !

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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 03/04/2011 09:26 AM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Originally posted by: Harry Balls

I think dut is overkill if you are using RU.



Irish, I would take fin and continue with RU. I don't see how some one could bald on that regimen.



Remain consistent. For what ever reason you shed, but that is not the same as permanent loss from mpb miniaturization. I would just ignor the sheds and sodier on.


makes since to me...


but got a question, explain your FIN shedding, or how treatments make you shed, is it like it did to me ?

-------------------------
Treatments
-------------
Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 03/04/2011 10:03 AM
Posted By: Harry Balls (Accomplished Poster)

Some other things to consider. We know RU solutions were tested at 2.5% and 5% solutions. I don't recall anywhere that 100 or more milligrams being used on humans. It is known than large amounts of ru will cause systemic effects in some. The long term effects is not known, but it certainly could reak havoc with hormones which inturn may cause enough stress to affect other systems that effect hair growth: TE, thyroid ect.

I think assuming 1 milliter or less of the 2.5 and 5% solutions was used in the human trials is logical. That means doses never exceded 25-50mg. If 1 mil of soloution is not enough to cover the area you want to treat, dilute it rather than increasing dose. You want it to work locally in the scalp as efficiently as possible but without sytemic effect.


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http://www.hairlosshelp.com/websites/Harry%20Balls/

Edited: 03/04/2011 at 10:24 AM by Harry Balls



Date Posted: 03/04/2011 11:12 AM
Posted By: wakebdr32 (Accomplished Poster)

Irish,
I would stay just on minox foam a bit longer before trying RU and FIN again. Any new pics of your current situation? I'd bet you start fin and you will be right back to TE shedding like your past trials. You scalp hair never appeared miniaturized...just big TE type sheds that diffusely thinned you out.

Here is another similar case of a guy that was using minox successfully for quite some time and then decided to go on Fin as well only for maintenance...and suddenly lost 60% + density diffusely after many months of 'soldiering on'. Now the guy is hunting down endocrinoligists to make sense of what the f happened.

Link to a TE response to FIN



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44yr old veteran and still NW2. Give your treatment reasonable time, monitor your results and do your own diligence. Many will respond differently to treatment regardless funded Pharma studies and peddlers that speak in absolutes...



Date Posted: 03/04/2011 12:02 PM
Posted By: Jiggaman (Prolific Poster)


Irish,

If you are just thinning on the hairline why don't you just use RU there? As one thing I don't think anyone can argue is that RU held your hairline and thats where it did the most for me also. If you are going to use RU again I agree with Harry don't use much.

Wakeboarder,

I see in your treatments you use synthyroid, it has hairloss associated with it as a side effect and the people on the thyroid forms say decissated thyroid an equivalent treatment for hypothyroid is really good for hair. You maybe aware of this already or had a different experience but if your not just a heads up.



Date Posted: 03/04/2011 12:35 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Originally posted by: Jiggaman

Irish,



If you are just thinning on the hairline why don't you just use RU there? As one thing I don't think anyone can argue is that RU held your hairline and thats where it did the most for me also. If you are going to use RU again I agree with Harry don't use much.



Wakeboarder,



I see in your treatments you use synthyroid, it has hairloss associated with it as a side effect and the people on the thyroid forms say decissated thyroid an equivalent treatment for hypothyroid is really good for hair. You maybe aware of this already or had a different experience but if your not just a heads up.




well, i dont know what the ***** to do now

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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 03/04/2011 12:41 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Originally posted by: wakebdr32

Irish,

I would stay just on minox foam a bit longer before trying RU and FIN again. Any new pics of your current situation? I'd bet you start fin and you will be right back to TE shedding like your past trials. You scalp hair never appeared miniaturized...just big TE type sheds that diffusely thinned you out.



Here is another similar case of a guy that was using minox successfully for quite some time and then decided to go on Fin as well only for maintenance...and suddenly lost 60% + density diffusely after many months of 'soldiering on'. Now the guy is hunting down endocrinoligists to make sense of what the f happened.



Link to a TE response to FIN





yah i posted a lot in his story.... and no he was not on minox prior to FIN usage,


he added minox AFTER he stopped FIN usage..

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Treatments
-------------
Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 03/04/2011 12:47 PM
Posted By: Harry Balls (Accomplished Poster)

Originally posted by: wakebdr32

Irish,

I would stay just on minox foam a bit longer before trying RU and FIN again. Any new pics of your current situation? I'd bet you start fin and you will be right back to TE shedding like your past trials. You scalp hair never appeared miniaturized...just big TE type sheds that diffusely thinned you out.



Here is another similar case of a guy that was using minox successfully for quite some time and then decided to go on Fin as well only for maintenance...and suddenly lost 60% + density diffusely after many months of 'soldiering on'. Now the guy is hunting down endocrinoligists to make sense of what the f happened.



Link to a TE response to FIN


Couple things about that guys story that is inconsistent. Vastly different lighting conditions and camera angles. We really dont know his true baseline condition. As a photgrapher and a diffuse thinner my self, I know my hair looks better and worse in different lighting conditions on film. The dude is also complaining about bloating and increased body hair growth but he discredits the xandrox 15??? That stuff should never be used for anything but as a last resort. And only by someone who has used lower concentration solutions for a long time. That stuff can cause massive shedding in an unseasoned user!

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http://www.hairlosshelp.com/websites/Harry%20Balls/



Date Posted: 03/04/2011 04:10 PM
Posted By: wakebdr32 (Accomplished Poster)

Originally posted by: Harry Balls



Couple things about that guys story that is inconsistent. Vastly different lighting conditions and camera angles. We really dont know his true baseline condition. As a photgrapher and a diffuse thinner my self, I know my hair looks better and worse in different lighting conditions on film. The dude is also complaining about bloating and increased body hair growth but he discredits the xandrox 15??? That stuff should never be used for anything but as a last resort. And only by someone who has used lower concentration solutions for a long time. That stuff can cause massive shedding in an unseasoned user!


I agree lighting can play tricks. HOwever, I disagree since the dude's pictures did show dramatic thinning and he claims 70% global loss due to shedding only on Fin before he even added any minox or Xandrox. Classic TE. Minox would explain bloating I suppose..but then again maybe a rise in estrogen could cause this too. DHT inhibition whether it be RU or Fin/DUT is not supposed to cause any increased loss or sheds nor mentioned in any clinical studies yet many have traveled that path. If anything the opposite should happen especially after 6+ months of use when hormones should stabilize. RU is not supposed to be systematically absorbed but don't think it is really proven that it can't happen. I certainly noticed no decrease in fallout using RU nor a reduction in side effects either. When I quit all and stuck with my current regiment, hugE difference!

Don't get why everyone pushes so hard to make one model fit all when it comes to something as complex as hair loss....







-------------------------
44yr old veteran and still NW2. Give your treatment reasonable time, monitor your results and do your own diligence. Many will respond differently to treatment regardless funded Pharma studies and peddlers that speak in absolutes...



Date Posted: 03/04/2011 04:32 PM
Posted By: Fat-Elvis (Accomplished Poster)

irishpride- sorry I don't have the time to read this whole thread, but why are you off RU now?

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Age 33- NW2.5/3, no crown loss knock on wood

quit fin/minox years ago. currently:
-Regenepure shampoo 4-5 times a week
-Neogenic
-salicylic acid (Paula's Choice 2% BHA liquid) before applying neo
-MSM pills



Date Posted: 03/04/2011 04:37 PM
Posted By: Harry Balls (Accomplished Poster)

The problem with RU is we can never be certain of the quaulity control. Batches are inconsistent in color smell ect. Reports about efficiency is all over the board... but that can be said about minox too.

Sides from RU may be from using too much. I posted my thoughts on this on page 7.

But agreed, there nothing that works for everybody.

Irish did seem to respond well to the RU. Fom my own experience of fighting this shit for 6 years, ocassional bouts of shed usually stabilize just by resuming treatment. This may not be the case for Irish

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http://www.hairlosshelp.com/websites/Harry%20Balls/



Date Posted: 03/04/2011 08:43 PM
Posted By: DecadeTwo (Accomplished Poster)

Originally posted by: irishpride86
well, i dont know what the ***** to do now


The reason you don't know what to do is because you live and die by a thread on some forum somewhere.

What if the forums didn't exist?

We'd all be forced to think for ourselves!

On a more constructive note: SODs never hurt anyone. I don't believe you use those.

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NW < 2 since 1999

The plural of 'anecdote' is not 'evidence'.
--Alan I. Leshner

Correlation does not imply causation.
--Logic

When you believe in things that you don't understand then you suffer. Superstition ain't the way.
--Stevie Wonder

I'm not an MD, and I'm not a hair loss expert.



Date Posted: 03/04/2011 08:52 PM
Posted By: DecadeTwo (Accomplished Poster)

Originally posted by: wakebdr32
Here is another similar case of a guy that was using minox successfully for quite some time and then decided to go on Fin as well only for maintenance...and suddenly lost 60% + density diffusely after many months of 'soldiering on'. Now the guy is hunting down endocrinoligists to make sense of what the f happened.


That doesn't look like AGA to me.

I'm not sure that I fully accept that IP has AGA yet, and I'd put you in the same boat. Who knows? Maybe you guys have AGA and something else.

-------------------------
NW < 2 since 1999

The plural of 'anecdote' is not 'evidence'.
--Alan I. Leshner

Correlation does not imply causation.
--Logic

When you believe in things that you don't understand then you suffer. Superstition ain't the way.
--Stevie Wonder

I'm not an MD, and I'm not a hair loss expert.



Date Posted: 03/04/2011 11:03 PM
Posted By: Mikisunshine (Newbie)

Originally posted by: irishpride86

well, i dont know what the ***** to do now



From a woman's point of view, who also has thinning hair (well hidden), forget all the treatments. You're a great looking guy. Work on getting rid of the acne and recognize that women aren't as visual as men. We don't care as much about appearance as men do.

Personally, I like the Picard, Mike Holmes, Mr. Clean look.

Now if only I can find something that will help me stop having to do a comb over.

Miki



Date Posted: 03/05/2011 04:33 AM
Posted By: NegativeNorwood (Accomplished Poster)

Originally posted by: Mikisunshine

From a woman's point of view, who also has thinning hair (well hidden), forget all the treatments. You're a great looking guy. Work on getting rid of the acne and recognize that women aren't as visual as men. We don't care as much about appearance as men do.

Personally, I like the Picard, Mike Holmes, Mr. Clean look. [IMG][/IMG]

Now if only I can find something that will help me stop having to do a comb over. [IMG][/IMG]

Miki


Awful advice. Irish Pride will look much worse with out hair as well as looking 10 years older than he is. Women care just as much if not more than men when it comes to appearances.

Women also have it much easier when it comes to hair loss. It's socially acceptable for you to wear wigs and everyone is sympathetic to your plight. With men it's totally different not only are we looked down upon for JUST trying to ease the disfigurement and treat the disease it is also fair game to mock, marginalise and discriminate against us.





Date Posted: 03/05/2011 08:42 AM
Posted By: Patrick_Bateman (Prolific Poster)

Originally posted by: NegativeNorwood

Originally posted by: Mikisunshine



From a woman's point of view, who also has thinning hair (well hidden), forget all the treatments. You're a great looking guy. Work on getting rid of the acne and recognize that women aren't as visual as men. We don't care as much about appearance as men do.



Personally, I like the Picard, Mike Holmes, Mr. Clean look. [IMG][/IMG]



Now if only I can find something that will help me stop having to do a comb over. [IMG][/IMG]



Miki




Awful advice. Irish Pride will look much worse with out hair as well as looking 10 years older than he is. Women care just as much if not more than men when it comes to appearances.



Women also have it much easier when it comes to hair loss. It's socially acceptable for you to wear wigs and everyone is sympathetic to your plight. With men it's totally different not only are we looked down upon for JUST trying to ease the disfigurement and treat the disease it is also fair game to mock, marginalise and discriminate against us.


Pretty sure studies have shown that isn't actually correct. I'm purely quoting off my head and I can't remember how much water these studies held, but it implied men were far more influenced by just physical appearance than women were (something like say 80% of a man's decision in picking a female is based on looks, whereas females it was only about 20% of the decision). Other things that affected women included things like status, power, confidence and personality.
I think it holds true as well, certainly does from personal experience. There are exceptions of course, but I would definitely say females are more willing to accept physical impurities than males. It's much easier to find a man batting above his average that a female for example (very general example). Personally I'm not great looking, but I've been with (dated and otherwise) girls much more attractive than me quite a lot. In contrast, I'm extremely fickle about a female's appearance and I'd never date a girl that was average or say below my level on the looks scale.

I don't think IP should necessarily give up treatments, but I don't think her advice is as bad as you suggest. Not being so tied up in hairloss might be a good thing for IP, one glimpse at this thread can tell you it doesn't do great things for his head space.

I also completely disagree with your last comment. Women have it much, much worse with hair loss and I wouldn't wish it upon any of them. It's a terrible thing for women to suffer and something they should never have to endure. Being bald is far more socially accepted if you are male, you're completely overreacting with the disfigurement comments and the like. Millions of bald men exist in the world today without any concern for their hairloss, they live free and happy lives with their baldness fully exposed. Can you say the same for women? Just because it's more acceptable for them to wear wigs doesn't make it any easier.
If I knew my mother or sister were going bald and I had the option to trade a full head of hair to NW7 so they could go unaffected, I'd do it without even a second thought. I'd never want to see a female relative of mine have to suffer baldness, it's far more traumatic and destructible for a female to have to go through.

Some people on here are scarily out of touch with reality. Too much time on hair loss forums, not enough time living in the real world. Anyone that thinks males have it harder for females in this caper is delusional.




Date Posted: 03/05/2011 06:50 PM
Posted By: DecadeTwo (Accomplished Poster)

One thing is what people say to researchers, and another thing is what they do in real life.

When polled, men report having had sexual relations with an average of six unique sexual partners in the last year...

... and women report having two.

Chances are both groups are lying at least a little.

It probably is true that women are less superficial than men when it comes to looks, but doesn't that mean we have to accept that they might be more superficial in other ways?

I definitely don't think the difference is as big as some people make it out to be.

-------------------------
NW < 2 since 1999

The plural of 'anecdote' is not 'evidence'.
--Alan I. Leshner

Correlation does not imply causation.
--Logic

When you believe in things that you don't understand then you suffer. Superstition ain't the way.
--Stevie Wonder

I'm not an MD, and I'm not a hair loss expert.



Date Posted: 03/06/2011 08:35 PM
Posted By: Mikisunshine (Newbie)

I don't speak for all women, nor can any of you speak for all men. But Patrick is correct that what IP is putting himself through isn't good for his self esteem. Even more so than the loss of hair itself. IMHO, he's a great looking guy (minus the acne) and I don't think that he'll look older if he stops treatments, accepts what he's got and learns to make himself look his best. There's something very cool about a shaved head. When I was younger, yeah, I preferred men with a full head of hair but my ex-hubby was almost bald as was my last boyfriend got so fed up with his receding hairline he started shaving it and lemme say, ooo, nice. Okay, so I love that look though it's what a man does and says that's even more important for women than what he looks like.

Unfortunately, I've inherited the gene from my mom that is causing my already baby fine hair to start thinning. At 56, it's quite devastating to look in the mirror and see the luscious hair I once had disappearing. I'll admit the picture is 5 years old and they pulled my hair to the front to make it fuller. I also know it will never grow back so I'm just looking around for things to cosmetically hide it. I've tried Xfusion which works okay but tends to make my hair feel, well, icky. Now looking at DermMatch and Joan Rivers' Great Hair Day.

Okay, I'll disappear now. I didn't mean to hijack this thread, just wanted IP to know that there's at least one woman out here who thinks he's fine the way he is.

BTW, Norwood, women care more about how THEY look than how a man looks.

Miki



Date Posted: 03/06/2011 09:25 PM
Posted By: highhairline (Accomplished Poster)

Originally posted by: Mikisunshine

I don't speak for all women, nor can any of you speak for all men. But Patrick is correct that what IP is putting himself through isn't good for his self esteem. Even more so than the loss of hair itself. IMHO, he's a great looking guy (minus the acne) and I don't think that he'll look older if he stops treatments, accepts what he's got and learns to make himself look his best. There's something very cool about a shaved head. When I was younger, yeah, I preferred men with a full head of hair but my ex-hubby was almost bald as was my last boyfriend got so fed up with his receding hairline he started shaving it and lemme say, ooo, nice. Okay, so I love that look though it's what a man does and says that's even more important for women than what he looks like.



Unfortunately, I've inherited the gene from my mom that is causing my already baby fine hair to start thinning. At 56, it's quite devastating to look in the mirror and see the luscious hair I once had disappearing. I'll admit the picture is 5 years old and they pulled my hair to the front to make it fuller. I also know it will never grow back so I'm just looking around for things to cosmetically hide it. I've tried Xfusion which works okay but tends to make my hair feel, well, icky. Now looking at DermMatch and Joan Rivers' Great Hair Day.



Okay, I'll disappear now. I didn't mean to hijack this thread, just wanted IP to know that there's at least one woman out here who thinks he's fine the way he is.



BTW, Norwood, women care more about how THEY look than how a man looks.



Miki


Thanks for the female perspective. I think both you and NegativeNorwood have valid points. Women do get more sympathy for hair loss issues but because significant genetic thinning is so rare, women who have it look very sickly. I have only seen one woman recently who was pretty high on the ludwig scale and it wasn't a pretty sight.

With that said, I think you are underestimating how important hair is for young men (I'm only 22 for example). I have a receding hairline and it really takes away from my looks. I also have persistent acne that, despite constant treatment, is usually visible. Just look at these two pictures of me. One is unedited showing my horrible hairline and acne and I edited the other with the GIMP to remove the acne and give myself a nice hairline. I overdid it a bit with the hairline (I always have had a high hairline--never that low) but it makes my point pretty clear. Not exactly professional photo editing but not to bad either...

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I'm a NW 2.5 with very little thinning. My regimen is as follows:

1.25 mg of finasteride every day since April 19, 2011

1ml of minoxidil twice a day on the hairline since April 29, 2010

Planning to go on Oral Spiro starting September 1, 2011



Date Posted: 03/06/2011 10:59 PM
Posted By: DecadeTwo (Accomplished Poster)

Originally posted by: Mikisunshine

I don't speak for all women, nor can any of you speak for all men.


You must be responding to NN, because I went out of my way not to try to speak for all men.

In either case, are we sure it matters what women think, as far as IP's concerned?

I can't speak for all men, but I assume some may not want to be bald irrespective of what any woman thinks, just as I assume some women would prefer not to have cellulite even if I could convince them that no man cares.

-------------------------
NW < 2 since 1999

The plural of 'anecdote' is not 'evidence'.
--Alan I. Leshner

Correlation does not imply causation.
--Logic

When you believe in things that you don't understand then you suffer. Superstition ain't the way.
--Stevie Wonder

I'm not an MD, and I'm not a hair loss expert.



Date Posted: 03/07/2011 04:14 AM
Posted By: NegativeNorwood (Accomplished Poster)

Irish I think I'm in the same situation as you. What is your regimen now.



Date Posted: 04/05/2011 09:57 AM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

ok update page 1.


without pics,

i'm was going through a BAD shed, it seems i shed no matter what every 3 months( 14 montsh on minox now),

i did add FIN for 1 weeks about 2 weeks ago, and man did i get acne, and a sore scalp. and shedding increased. so i stopped, for the final time on fin.

but while on minox and ru, i shed every 3 months and get the hair back,

while on fiin alone i just shed, and shed, and shed,and remain in this "te" state

so in a nutshell the more successful way is minox and ru, i think,


ive been on minox alone since 12/25/2010.

I did this too see which caused my every 3 months shedding phases, it seems minox does this, one would think this shedding should stop since im now on month 14 of minox. But it is not so, ( anyway have insight into why)


good news now though is shedding has slowed down, i buzzed my head and i apply minox now to a buzzed scalp, rather then some get caught in my hair. I think thsi may be the reasoin why i stopped shedding because minox can reach my scalp more ? I apply 2 capfulls of foam per day.

i may have seen shedding every 3 months because not enough minox gets to my scalp, unless i buzz it, idk ?

but point is now im no tshedding( as much), i'll await 4 weeks to see how my hair regrows, at that time i will decide to add back in ru.

so be on the lookout for pics to come next month



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Treatments
-------------
Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 04/22/2011 12:08 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

update 4/22/11


hair is not shedding,

im back on ru58841, been 5 days now . Im still on minox foam 14 months, and I may switch to liquid, dont know yet, end of may should have great hair, will post pics then.....

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Treatments
-------------
Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 04/22/2011 12:27 PM
Posted By: NegativeNorwood (Accomplished Poster)

That's great Irish seriously.

I want to respond to Miki, it's just she's a obviously a nice person and shattering this myth would make me sad. I'll admit that women can look beyond hair loss and find a man attractive. However..... never mind, lets just leave it.



Date Posted: 04/22/2011 06:24 PM
Posted By: Ken (Regular Poster)

Originally posted by: irishpride86

update 4/22/11





hair is not shedding,



im back on ru58841, been 5 days now . Im still on minox foam 14 months, and I may switch to liquid, dont know yet, end of may should have great hair, will post pics then.....


Wait, so did the shedding slow down on it's own with just Minox, or after you added the RU back?

If it slowed down on just Minox, wouldn't it be wise to see if it stays that way before adding back RU? Especially if you are sensitive to AA's? You could potentially start up another round of TE.



Date Posted: 04/27/2011 08:44 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

so just an update, im now on kirkland liquid miniox, after 15 months of shedding 6 times in cycles, i conclude foam makes me shed, others have this issue as well, i know ru is not the cause.


so im not shedding much at all now, and i thought this would be a good time to add liquid and see how it affects my shedding cyles now..



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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 05/12/2011 10:14 PM
Posted By: Synyster86 (Regular Poster)

Dude how much money have you wasted on this stuff?

You wouldn't look any different bald, in fact I think it would suit your face more.

Give it up man.

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Alpecin C1 shampoo once every 1-2 days.

Skin, hair and nails vitamin once a day.



Date Posted: 05/13/2011 12:32 AM
Posted By: hairlessness (Accomplished Poster)

Dude, how much money have you wasted on Alpecin C1 shampoo??

BUMPFORJIGGA!!!!!

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Originally posted by: highhairline
"Who in their right mind puts sex above hair? I think you're on the wrong forum."

"It's the genes! And the androgens!"



Date Posted: 05/13/2011 06:18 AM
Posted By: Relentless (Regular Poster)

Hey Irishpride.

Might want to take a look at this (first "case study" pictures). Is that you on the left? Great regrowth! Ahahaha.

http://www.manetainhair.com/gallery.html



Date Posted: 05/13/2011 08:51 AM
Posted By: Patrick_Bateman (Prolific Poster)

Originally posted by: Relentless

Hey Irishpride.



Might want to take a look at this (first "case study" pictures). Is that you on the left? Great regrowth! Ahahaha.



http://www.manetainhair.com/gallery.html


Ohhhh shiiiit! Awesome find, dis gun b good! I'd go to town on those manipulative mother*****ers!



Date Posted: 05/13/2011 10:46 AM
Posted By: HK (Prolific Poster)

Bump for Irish!

Seriously...he needs to see this shit.



Date Posted: 05/13/2011 10:54 AM
Posted By: Synyster86 (Regular Poster)

Originally posted by: hairlessness

Dude, how much money have you wasted on Alpecin C1 shampoo??



BUMPFORJIGGA!!!!!


If you bothered to read my post you would know that it hasnt been wasted.

Also the fact that I pay £5 for a bottle every 3 months or so doesnt exactly hit me hard.

How old is this guy?

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Alpecin C1 shampoo once every 1-2 days.

Skin, hair and nails vitamin once a day.



Date Posted: 05/13/2011 11:11 AM
Posted By: HairHell (Regular Poster)

Hey IrishPride86 - Did you know your pictures were on this website? Did you use the HAIRMAX Lasercomb or Cupping?

http://www.manetainhair.com/gallery.html - right at the top...



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Me : NW 2 - 3

Treatment History:

No treatments started as of yet....still skeptical of the BIG 3.

But :

I once took Procerin my Frosh year of college, nothing significant noticed.

I bought FinPecia once, but was too afraid to try it.

I took a DHT inhibiting shampoo once.

I used the Nioxin treatment once.

I shampoo daily with L'Oreal Vive, thickening shampoo & Conditioner.





Date Posted: 05/13/2011 12:09 PM
Posted By: JWM (Accomplished Poster)

WTF???

Irish, go after these guys!



Date Posted: 05/13/2011 12:12 PM
Posted By: Synyster86 (Regular Poster)

The pictures on that site are rubbish lol. Look at the lighting, angles and styles, in the second picture it's completely different.

In case 1 the guy has pushed his hair inwards and grown it out some more

In case 2 the guy has his hair pulled back and its damp and then its dry and forward

In case 3 there is a massive light shining on his head in the first pic and its gone in the second

:/

-------------------------
Alpecin C1 shampoo once every 1-2 days.

Skin, hair and nails vitamin once a day.



Date Posted: 05/13/2011 12:14 PM
Posted By: Logan2 (Accomplished Poster)

Originally posted by: Synyster86

The pictures on that site are rubbish lol. Look at the lighting, angles and styles, in the second picture it's completely different.



In case 1 the guy has pushed his hair inwards and grown it out some more



In case 2 the guy has his hair pulled back and its damp and then its dry and forward



In case 3 there is a massive light shining on his head in the first pic and its gone in the second



:/


I think you missed the entire point.

The first set of before/after pics were "stolen" from this site---they are of Irishpride and can be found in this thread.



Date Posted: 05/13/2011 12:54 PM
Posted By: Synyster86 (Regular Poster)

Originally posted by: Logan2

Originally posted by: Synyster86



The pictures on that site are rubbish lol. Look at the lighting, angles and styles, in the second picture it's completely different.







In case 1 the guy has pushed his hair inwards and grown it out some more







In case 2 the guy has his hair pulled back and its damp and then its dry and forward







In case 3 there is a massive light shining on his head in the first pic and its gone in the second







:/




I think you missed the entire point.



The first set of before/after pics were "stolen" from this site---they are of Irishpride and can be found in this thread.


No I understand that lol. I was just pointing out how bad the site is.

You guys should lighten up on here.

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Alpecin C1 shampoo once every 1-2 days.

Skin, hair and nails vitamin once a day.



Date Posted: 05/13/2011 06:54 PM
Posted By: Martorella (Occasional Poster)

Dear irishpride:
Thanks God you realized Rogaine foam is a waste of time and money, I used it for one year without any kind of improvement...


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Products used:
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Shampoo Revivogen 1x week
Minoxidil 15% w/Azelaic acid 5% (1 ml at night only) 6x week
Dutasteride 0.5 mg 7x week
Collagen 2 tab. 7x week
Laser comb 2x week
Scalp Massager 5 min. 6x week
Dermaroller 2 min. 1x week



Date Posted: 05/14/2011 02:21 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Originally posted by: Logan2

Originally posted by: Synyster86



The pictures on that site are rubbish lol. Look at the lighting, angles and styles, in the second picture it's completely different.







In case 1 the guy has pushed his hair inwards and grown it out some more







In case 2 the guy has his hair pulled back and its damp and then its dry and forward







In case 3 there is a massive light shining on his head in the first pic and its gone in the second







:/




I think you missed the entire point.



The first set of before/after pics were "stolen" from this site---they are of Irishpride and can be found in this thread.




wow, lol, thats funny, haha, can i sew them ??? how would i go after them ?

farrel ?

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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 05/14/2011 02:29 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Originally posted by: Martorella

Dear irishpride:

Thanks God you realized Rogaine foam is a waste of time and money, I used it for one year without any kind of improvement...


explain more, did you have better results with liquid ?

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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 05/15/2011 06:19 PM
Posted By: Martorella (Occasional Poster)

Of course irishpride86, during one year of continuous use of Rogaine foam I did not get even a hair back but with the liquid (in my case minoxidil 15%) the difference was really notorious, now I have my crown with an acceptable amount of hair and I think it is going to improve some more. Just in case, I have been using the liquid for about 8 months and 2 weeks...

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Products used:
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Shampoo Revivogen 1x week
Minoxidil 15% w/Azelaic acid 5% (1 ml at night only) 6x week
Dutasteride 0.5 mg 7x week
Collagen 2 tab. 7x week
Laser comb 2x week
Scalp Massager 5 min. 6x week
Dermaroller 2 min. 1x week



Date Posted: 05/15/2011 06:58 PM
Posted By: highsierra (Accomplished Poster)

Hey Irishpride - Did that Cupping do anything to stop your shedding?

Nice results tho. What the hell is Cupping? Is it caressing your balls for an hour 2x a day? That might reduce semen flow. Well good luck and stick with it (and enjoy)





Date Posted: 08/30/2011 04:04 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Update 08/11 on first page with pics

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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 08/30/2011 09:36 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Bump

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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 08/30/2011 10:56 PM
Posted By: dogs3 (Accomplished Poster)

the minox RU combo seems to be working well. I wouldn't switch a thing



Date Posted: 08/31/2011 06:50 AM
Posted By: Twister (Accomplished Poster)

Originally posted by: el_duterino

dude...unless you've tryed DUT + RU (100mg), you cannot even begin to realize the full potential of reducing androgens action.



Anyone have an opinion about if you should be on Dut as well as RU ?


IP - Are you still on Foam ? Do you liquifie (sp?) it before you pour it over ure scalp like JWM does ? Or do you prefer the liquid ?

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Generic Dut

Generic Foam

Generic Niz



Date Posted: 09/01/2011 12:57 AM
Posted By: Twister (Accomplished Poster)

bump

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Generic Dut

Generic Foam

Generic Niz



Date Posted: 09/01/2011 05:10 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Originally posted by: Twister

Originally posted by: el_duterino



dude...unless you've tryed DUT + RU (100mg), you cannot even begin to realize the full potential of reducing androgens action.






Anyone have an opinion about if you should be on Dut as well as RU ?





IP - Are you still on Foam ? Do you liquifie (sp?) it before you pour it over ure scalp like JWM does ? Or do you prefer the liquid ?



I use foam and liquify it, I use about 3.5ml all over the top of my scalp


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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 09/02/2011 03:07 AM
Posted By: Twister (Accomplished Poster)

Irish do think Minox once a day and RU once a day is the optimum dose ?

thanks for your help

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Generic Dut

Generic Foam

Generic Niz



Date Posted: 09/02/2011 04:10 AM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Originally posted by: Twister

Irish do think Minox once a day and RU once a day is the optimum dose ?



thanks for your help


No prolly not

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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 09/02/2011 04:34 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Bump for d2, look on page 1 buddy

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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 09/02/2011 08:42 PM
Posted By: folliman (Prolific Poster)

Irishpride.. PM sent.. thanks for any help you can give me..



Date Posted: 09/05/2011 08:09 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Guys, should I get on fin or dut,


Thanks for input

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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 09/06/2011 01:56 AM
Posted By: StandStrong (Accomplished Poster)

Originally posted by: irishpride86

Guys, should I get on fin or dut,



how many more times are u gonna ask that question?



Date Posted: 09/06/2011 02:16 AM
Posted By: majorsixth (Accomplished Poster)


You appear to lose more ground when using fin,duts, and ru. Best not use any of them.



Date Posted: 09/06/2011 09:52 AM
Posted By: JWM (Accomplished Poster)

Originally posted by: StandStrong

Originally posted by: irishpride86



Guys, should I get on fin or dut,







how many more times are u gonna ask that question?


Yeah--this is getting beyond ridiculous. I dare say D2 will give you a verbal whoopin' if he ever decides to respond.





Date Posted: 09/06/2011 10:15 AM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Originally posted by: JWM

Originally posted by: StandStrong



Originally posted by: irishpride86







Guys, should I get on fin or dut,















how many more times are u gonna ask that question?




Yeah--this is getting beyond ridiculous. I dare say D2 will give you a verbal whoopin' if he ever decides to respond.



Your mistaken my friends, I'm asking a different question now

Fin or dut


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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 09/06/2011 04:38 PM
Posted By: highsierra (Accomplished Poster)

You quit fin because of sheddng........so try dut



Date Posted: 09/06/2011 04:55 PM
Posted By: hairlessness (Accomplished Poster)

Bump for Jigga

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Originally posted by: highhairline
"Who in their right mind puts sex above hair? I think you're on the wrong forum."

"It's the genes! And the androgens!"



Date Posted: 09/06/2011 05:35 PM
Posted By: hairlessness (Accomplished Poster)

I wonder if D2's hair is still holding strong on Dut?

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Originally posted by: highhairline
"Who in their right mind puts sex above hair? I think you're on the wrong forum."

"It's the genes! And the androgens!"



Date Posted: 09/12/2011 10:35 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Bump, updated first page

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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 10/26/2011 11:10 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Ok, so I have been on minox for close to 2 Years,.I think I'm done seeing regrowth from minox.

I am as of tonight adding 2 more powerful drugs to my treatments...

Reason why is my nw has gone from nw 1.5 to 2.25

I'm adding fin 1mg, and topical Spiro to hairline 1x per day

Why am I going back on fin... Well first time I was on it I only used it for 7 months... Got te like shedding, but it was 2 Years ago, also I was super stressful at that time it may have caused the te back then too, not sure..

Regardless I'm on minox now which should help the te hair if it occurs again to get out of te state and into growth phase... Also I'm on topical Spiro and ru, so any reflex hr that occur these topicals should help against any upregulation of AR if it occurs again..


To those who think you don't shed while on fin, have a read at this :

http://www.hairlosstalk.com/in...p?f=30&t=15507&start=0

Happy ending though...

I know I got mpb I'm now worse a whole nw level from 2 years ago..

And I took the hairdx test it said I have mpb and I should respond well to fin..


So my pals, let's hope this works, ill give fin one whole year this time... Please help my through the sheds if I bitch about them later

Peace

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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture

Edited: 10/26/2011 at 11:49 PM by irishpride86



Date Posted: 10/26/2011 11:15 PM
Posted By: marklc2004 (Accomplished Poster)

i hit a road block myself. im adding Proxiphen, myistate rum,17ap, AHK-Cu peptide-copper complex.



Date Posted: 10/26/2011 11:22 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Imo proxiphen is just Spiro, minox and fin...

I don't think its that great..

I would add prox -n if your on the 3 above...

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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 10/26/2011 11:26 PM
Posted By: marklc2004 (Accomplished Poster)

i bought Proxiphen-N $109 one month supply. it will last me 6 months im only applying it on the hairline. i ave no idea whats in proxiphen emailed the company still waiting. i have to talk to dr proctor



Date Posted: 10/26/2011 11:33 PM
Posted By: marklc2004 (Accomplished Poster)

in total spent over 1500 this week for my hair. i just bought a microscope



Date Posted: 10/26/2011 11:34 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Originally posted by: marklc2004

i bought Proxiphen-N $109 one month supply. it will last me 6 months im only applying it on the hairline. i ave no idea whats in proxiphen emailed the company still waiting. i have to talk to dr proctor




I'm saying proxiphen -n is just spiro, minox, fin and copper peptides..

If you on fin and minox just add Spiro cream and its the same thing..

What I'm saying is don't use proxiphen but rather use prox-n which is Copper peptides... I'm saying this because I think your already on fin and minox. Make sense?

Ok, now back to my topic for those that want to know I'm making some changes to my treatments look on last page for details...

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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 10/27/2011 12:24 AM
Posted By: mezzanine (Prolific Poster)

I can't even begin to say how disappointed I am to hear that you're going to go on fin. What happened to oral spiro?


I don't understand how the logic has changed. It's weird that you could be so determined about what happened two years ago, yet now you seem to be rationalizing using the same kind of weak theories, just in the other direction. What flipped the script?

It's odd that you don't seem to want to just own what you want to do, but instead seem to want to get approval for it, even though I don't really think you take the opinions you seek into serious consideration. That's why I think other posters are in disbelief when you keep asking the same question. If I were a doctor, you'd fall into that "difficult" category of patient.


I'm pretty sure enden and finfighter have likely recommended against you going on finasteride. Just give it one more year....





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Originally posted by: irishpride86

I was lying when I said I was going to start oral spiro ! hahah




Date Posted: 10/27/2011 12:25 AM
Posted By: mezzanine (Prolific Poster)

Originally posted by: marklc2004

i hit a road block myself. im adding Proxiphen, myistate rum,17ap, AHK-Cu peptide-copper complex.


If it were possible, I'd bet you a lot of money that you won't maintain that regimen for longer than a year.

Too bad there isn't a market for that sort of thing.

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Originally posted by: irishpride86

I was lying when I said I was going to start oral spiro ! hahah




Date Posted: 10/27/2011 01:19 AM
Posted By: Twister (Accomplished Poster)

Irish, I wud be very suprised if topical spiro helps you if ure usin RU already



Good luck buddy

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Generic Dut

Generic Foam

Generic Niz



Date Posted: 10/27/2011 08:24 AM
Posted By: marklc2004 (Accomplished Poster)

Originally posted by: mezzanine

Originally posted by: marklc2004



i hit a road block myself. im adding Proxiphen, myistate rum,17ap, AHK-Cu peptide-copper complex.




If it were possible, I'd bet you a lot of money that you won't maintain that regimen for longer than a year.



Too bad there isn't a market for that sort of thing.


most likely add to it lol. money is not a issue



Date Posted: 10/27/2011 09:06 AM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Originally posted by: mezzanine

I can't even begin to say how disappointed I am to hear that you're going to go on fin. What happened to oral spiro?





I don't understand how the logic has changed. It's weird that you could be so determined about what happened two years ago, yet now you seem to be rationalizing using the same kind of weak theories, just in the other direction. What flipped the script?



It's odd that you don't seem to want to just own what you want to do, but instead seem to want to get approval for it, even though I don't really think you take the opinions you seek into serious consideration. That's why I think other posters are in disbelief when you keep asking the same question. If I were a doctor, you'd fall into that "difficult" category of patient.





I'm pretty sure enden and finfighter have likely recommended against you going on finasteride. Just give it one more year....



Well, without being sarcastic. What would you recomend I do?


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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 10/27/2011 05:28 PM
Posted By: mezzanine (Prolific Poster)

Originally posted by: Twister

Irish, I wud be very suprised if topical spiro helps you if ure usin RU already



Good luck buddy


I disagree, only because RU is still expensive and therefore we have to be economical when we use it. I could soak my head in liquid spiro five times a day and it wouldn't cost as much as it does for my mL of RU58841 (seriously).

If we consider that the best approximation we can make is that spiro is approximately 50% as effective as RU, then it absolutely makes sense for someone to use it to help supplement their RU cost.

Consider that the cheapest RU is around $20 a gram, whereas bulk spiro appears to be 33 cents per gram by my best guess.

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Originally posted by: irishpride86

I was lying when I said I was going to start oral spiro ! hahah




Date Posted: 10/27/2011 05:40 PM
Posted By: mezzanine (Prolific Poster)

Irish, I liked your idea of oral spironolactone starting at 50mg and gradually moving up in dosage until you see stabilization in your hair loss. You'll be able to tell after a few months.

I'd thought HHL was trolling us about starting spiro too, but I discovered yesterday that he actually started treatment. Even though he says he doesn't see it on his blog, I think I see an improvement in his hair since he started. Definitely seems to have helped his skin.

Topicals suck, man. Especially for your kind of hair loss, which I'm not convinced is all that different than my own.

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Originally posted by: irishpride86

I was lying when I said I was going to start oral spiro ! hahah




Date Posted: 10/28/2011 01:11 AM
Posted By: Twister (Accomplished Poster)

Originally posted by: mezzanine

Originally posted by: Twister



Irish, I wud be very suprised if topical spiro helps you if ure usin RU already







Good luck buddy




I disagree, only because RU is still expensive and therefore we have to be economical when we use it. I could soak my head in liquid spiro five times a day and it wouldn't cost as much as it does for my mL of RU58841 (seriously).



If we consider that the best approximation we can make is that spiro is approximately 50% as effective as RU, then it absolutely makes sense for someone to use it to help supplement their RU cost.



Consider that the cheapest RU is around $20 a gram, whereas bulk spiro appears to be 33 cents per gram by my best guess.



Ah i wasnt talking about cost effective measures, but im sure you know that

to supplement the cost of RU yes it is cheaper but as an AA as you said its only 50% at best as good as RU



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Generic Dut

Generic Foam

Generic Niz



Date Posted: 10/28/2011 05:59 AM
Posted By: thegrayman2001 (Prolific Poster)

Irish you need to just get on fin dude. Don't worry about anything else. Maybe you could try Dutasteride.

Either way, you need an Anti-Androgen taken orally.

If you start to get that TE shed again, then stop, but I personally don't think you will get it a second time.



Date Posted: 10/28/2011 10:22 AM
Posted By: mezzanine (Prolific Poster)

Originally posted by: thegrayman2001

Irish you need to just get on fin dude. Don't worry about anything else. Maybe you could try Dutasteride.

Either way, you need an Anti-Androgen taken orally.

If you start to get that TE shed again, then stop, but I personally don't think you will get it a second time.



Guys, we'd ask that if you're just going to recommend finasteride, you simply don't post in this thread. Thanks.

And technically, the only anti-androgen taken orally for hair loss seems to me to be spironolactone. I think that's a great suggestion.

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Originally posted by: irishpride86

I was lying when I said I was going to start oral spiro ! hahah




Date Posted: 10/28/2011 03:01 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Originally posted by: mezzanine

Originally posted by: thegrayman2001



Irish you need to just get on fin dude. Don't worry about anything else. Maybe you could try Dutasteride.



Either way, you need an Anti-Androgen taken orally.



If you start to get that TE shed again, then stop, but I personally don't think you will get it a second time.






Guys, we'd ask that if you're just going to recommend finasteride, you simply don't post in this thread. Thanks.



And technically, the only anti-androgen taken orally for hair loss seems to me to be spironolactone. I think that's a great suggestion.



Mezz,

Hey man I know your trying to be funny, but to be honest your just being confusing dude.

I would like to ask what is your opinion on me going one fin ( 3 days now) .

And are you joking about me going on Spiro or is that you messing with me again? Why don't yiu go on Spiro?

Anyway for real, if you can give me your honest without joking input I would like to know it, if I may.

Thanks guys


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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 10/29/2011 05:43 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Bump for mezz

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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 10/30/2011 09:39 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

bump

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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 10/31/2011 02:49 AM
Posted By: mezzanine (Prolific Poster)

I`m impressed with the effort you`ve put into documenting your case and especially the photographic evidence. I would suggest that in the future you learn to use the macro function on your camera and start using a bright light and uniform close in shots to make the photos more useful. Also, a more recent shot of you with a shaved head would be useful.

I`d be interested to know what you`ve learned since you started using treatments. I would think that a couple of years is enough time to teach someone that the biggest key is to stay consistent with treatments and be patient. I don`t know if you have ADD or ADHD, but it`s exhausting to read your timeline and try to follow the decisions you seem to be making weekly about your treatment regimen. If it were someone else, I`d think you`d be prone to general treatment burn-out.

That said, I will say that your case is genuinely unusual, even if I think you`re mistaken in your diagnosis of what happened with the finasteride episode. Problem is, I`m not sure I`ve got a great explanation for what happened myself.

I believe finasteride functions on a six-month time delay for most people, in terms of how long it usually starts to take to see begin to see results, but also afterwards I figure it takes your hair 6 months to go back to baseline after you stop. So you could go on finasteride for six months, think it`s not working well enough, go off it, think that going off of it was great for your hair since your hair seems to improve for the next six months before going back to start. Understanding TIME PERCEPTION PSYCHOLOGY is critical to understanding hair loss treatment.






Here`s where we agree:

-we both think you have androgenic alopecia. I respect D2`s judgment quite a bit, but when you thin out, it seems to happen in a pattern. The episode with the thinning on the sides and back I`m treating as an anomaly because of how long has passed, although clearly D2 is not. Your hair was already shit before you went on finasteride.


If it`s true that you have MPB, then the absolute best thing you can do to do combat it is finasteride. Anyone with credibility and a thorough scientific understanding, as well as real-world experience, will tell you that. Especially if you`re diffuse, which I think you are (like me).

I think you may have induced a synchronized shed when you went on finasteride because of being a diffuse thinner. Your hair seems to cycle more dramatically than other peoples, which I think is unfortunate for you in particular because it reinforces your flawed association between the treatments you apply in a given week and your amount of shedding.


Your hair has recovered from your initial period of hair loss so well that I think you`re under no pressure to start finasteride if you don`t want to. Even if you were a really great responder to minoxidil, which I think you probably are, it doesn`t make sense that you`ve been able to bounce back so dramatically without there having been some other medical cause for the initial loss.

I`d caution you, though. If your hair loss is like mine, it can absolutely creep up on you because miniaturization is so hard to spot with the human eye. I got worried about my temple recession and didn`t realize that I was missing the forest for the trees. That`s why I say a recent pic with your head shaved would be useful, and to start taking proper pictures.




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Originally posted by: irishpride86

I was lying when I said I was going to start oral spiro ! hahah




Date Posted: 10/31/2011 12:22 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

So mezz or anybody else, based on my hair dx test results on fin response and the test for the mpb gene, it claims I have mpb and fin will work well for me...

Question I have for all is, how much should I weigh on these tests?






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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 11/01/2011 02:18 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

bump see above

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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 11/01/2011 08:13 PM
Posted By: thegrayman2001 (Prolific Poster)

I would use the tests as a basis for trying fin again. I wouldn't try to believe that they have to be correct--they have room for error. Isn't it something like 75 percent certain that fin will work? Still a 1/4 chance it might not (good odds though in your favor)



Date Posted: 11/01/2011 09:18 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

we shall see been 1 week back on it , no TE shedding yet, only sides are small ball ache, no biggie

still using ru and Minox foam as well..:

will report at 1 month, wish me luck!!!

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Treatments
-------------
Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 11/03/2011 01:37 AM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

i just want to say thank you to the following people:

d2, harryballs, greymann, jwm, ferrel, brian, dogs3, mezz,

why am I thanking you guys, because of your guys presistence on me, I now have my mind full set on staying on fin for a whole year.

I have lost a whole NW scale this past year, Minox works for sure, but I need fin, I used to think it hurt me with TE shreding, thinking back I was so stressed in 2009 while I was on it for 6 months that I think I caused my own TE shedding, I've learned to control my stress and I've noticed how my TE shedding goes away, and in addition to this fight I've learned to give it time.

I'm not the least bit scared of shedding, the time for me to act is now, even though I've gone down a whole NW scale it's all been lost within 1 year, so since I'm acting NOW with fin I think I'll be ok, I've read so many studies and seen many guys who took fin and came out on top even after shedding a lot.

in other words I got nothing to lose, I don't get Nasty sides with fin in the past just watey semen and ball ache, but it come and goes, zinc makes me horny too.

so all I can gain is more hair. it can only help me, and I'm so glad I woke up last week and look in the mirror and said ***** it,

in 2009 I was on fin alone, was so stressed, did not sleep or eat, it was bad, I really think that's why I got TE shedding, I don't think fin caused it to be honest.

BUT let's say it did, I'm now on Minox ( 2 years) and RU which block AR from T and DHT and I'm on topical spiro, so let's just say if fin causes a a TE reaction I now have Minox to pull it out of that state, and ru and topical spire to block any raised T or left over shy in the scalp.

I really ... really feel that in 6-12 months time from now I'm going to be a huge success due to my treatment plan, and my hairdx test results that show I have a 70% chance of being a great responder to fin, so I got all the mindset goals set for myself.


again I'm stoked, really glad I got on fin now before things really get bad, I feel if I don't do it now then I'm *****ed,

so again thanks guys for helping me, means a lot, I know I can be a pain, but I've grown up a lot, I'm now 25, a lot more open minded and have more common sense ,

will update at 1 month, I just finished 1 week,

hell yah,

cheers guys

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Treatments
-------------
Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 11/03/2011 03:11 AM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Originally posted by: dogs3

i remember around this time last year me trying to convince you that your being stupid by dropping fin. haha. Here I am trying to convince you to get on fin again. This time you should listen instead of *****ing around for a year by adding and dropping treatments all the time and acting like a lunatic. Otherwise, keep it up and I'll try again next year.




well buddy after 2 years I'm taking your advice , this time for the long haul, an I really really can't wait I'll next yeat to see my results

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Treatments
-------------
Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 11/03/2011 04:00 AM
Posted By: DecadeTwo (Accomplished Poster)

Good luck IP, and thank you too for keeping us all posted all these years.

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NW < 2 since 1999

The plural of 'anecdote' is not 'evidence'.
--Alan I. Leshner

Correlation does not imply causation.
--Logic

When you believe in things that you don't understand then you suffer. Superstition ain't the way.
--Stevie Wonder

I'm not an MD, and I'm not a hair loss expert.



Date Posted: 11/03/2011 04:05 AM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Originally posted by: DecadeTwo

Good luck IP, and thank you too for keeping us all posted all these years.


yah man I'm excited... I really think my TE was due to high levels of unhealthy stress back on 2009.


why do you stay on dut and not fin yourself ? was it due to fin not working for you, or were you just takin a gamble at a stronger 5-ar ?

think I should try dut or just stick to fin since I'm also on ru and topical spiro?


again you and 6 other posters have helped me see clear and mature through this process, so I think you being on my ass WILL pay off, again thanks buddy and to all !!!




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Treatments
-------------
Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 11/03/2011 04:11 AM
Posted By: DecadeTwo (Accomplished Poster)

I use dut because of the more flexible dosing. I know that if I miss three of four days I can just take a few extra 0.5mg pills and there's no real harm of my 5ar levels going back up. I generally don't recommend it since we have no human model for 1-5ar deficiency.

I think you'll be fine with fin and RU.

I still think you're gonna shed in waves, though. That seems to happen to you no matter what. I think the tricks gonna be to not freak out the first time it happens.

Maybe an SOD would help with that? Have you ever tried Tricomin or Prox-N?

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NW < 2 since 1999

The plural of 'anecdote' is not 'evidence'.
--Alan I. Leshner

Correlation does not imply causation.
--Logic

When you believe in things that you don't understand then you suffer. Superstition ain't the way.
--Stevie Wonder

I'm not an MD, and I'm not a hair loss expert.



Date Posted: 11/04/2011 06:12 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

So, its happening again, I have massive acne, and my whole scalp is sore and shedding from all over.

Anyone else get this reaction on fin, then it evens out ?

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Treatments
-------------
Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 11/04/2011 11:54 PM
Posted By: DecadeTwo (Accomplished Poster)

Originally posted by: irishpride86

So, its happening again, I have massive acne, and my whole scalp is sore and shedding from all over.

Anyone else get this reaction on fin, then it evens out ?


The acne you see today is weeks old. Relax.

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NW < 2 since 1999

The plural of 'anecdote' is not 'evidence'.
--Alan I. Leshner

Correlation does not imply causation.
--Logic

When you believe in things that you don't understand then you suffer. Superstition ain't the way.
--Stevie Wonder

I'm not an MD, and I'm not a hair loss expert.



Date Posted: 01/06/2012 08:25 AM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Jan 2012, on fin, minox.foam, ru. Been on ru and minox for 2 years now, I added minox liquid and.fin 2 1/2 months ago. Fin is turning my current hair all over into kinked, weak, dry, brittle hair, and my diffusion is resembling that of when I tried fin back in 2009. Am I getting a TE RH reaction again? Should i stop or press on. Anyone have this issue with fin usage and it improve at ?















Also updated first page

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Treatments
-------------
Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 01/06/2012 11:19 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

No reply?


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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 01/07/2012 04:07 AM
Posted By: Justlovetunes (Prolific Poster)


I don't understand you Irish, you say you used ru, minox for 2 year, since adding fin recently it's making your hair worse. Might be wrong but i'm sure you have used fin in the past with bad results too. Why ask for advice if you know what the problem is? Quit the fin, try another approach[maybe oral spiro]



Date Posted: 01/07/2012 07:18 AM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Well I'm trying too see others responses on my pics and my questions above, that's why

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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 01/07/2012 07:39 AM
Posted By: Samiamm (Prolific Poster)

Irish I made a thread asking you a couple questions, you must've missed it.
You claim to have MPB and you also claimed to have had TE.
What I want to know is, when you had TE, did you have a sore, tender kind of scalp?
How bad was the TE shed,
how bad did the TE along
with MPB damage your hair, and lastly
do you know of any signs of TE to come?

I ask this because I just had surgery, and I've had a sore scalp recently. I've read that TE can be related to sore and tender scalps and surgery can be the cause of TE. But it says the hairs will start shedding about 3 months after the surgery. So i'm just worried to death that in about 3 months, i'm gonna start shedding like crazy, which sucks because I just got on fin and min. Do you think if I were to have TE, it would F*** up my fin n min growth/maintenance?

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Regimen

.25 mg Propecia daily
Rogaine 5 % two times daily


I NEED my hair.



Date Posted: 01/07/2012 08:24 AM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Samiamm I can't answer your question as your te sheding is not related to fin, mine is....

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Treatments
-------------
Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 01/07/2012 08:37 AM
Posted By: Samiamm (Prolific Poster)

But it's still TE right? You can't throw me a bone? lol you must understand as you ask numerous questions too i'm sure you have this same obsession I do

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Regimen

.25 mg Propecia daily
Rogaine 5 % two times daily


I NEED my hair.



Date Posted: 01/07/2012 08:48 AM
Posted By: Samiamm (Prolific Poster)

and I don't have any TE shedding, this is what i'm worried about. I've had a sore and tender scalp for a couple of days, which I read can be signs of TE to come. I'm trying to figure out whether or not I should EXPECT TE shedding

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Regimen

.25 mg Propecia daily
Rogaine 5 % two times daily


I NEED my hair.



Date Posted: 01/07/2012 09:54 AM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Dude, all I can say is the questions you ask, I've answered.

When I'm on fin I get te, weather or not it will stop I'm not sure...

Yea my scalp is also sore while on fin, off fin scalp is fine.


It's different then your case...


How much more help can I give? Our cases are different.

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Treatments
-------------
Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 01/07/2012 05:01 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Bump updated


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Treatments
-------------
Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 01/07/2012 06:09 PM
Posted By: Fady (Prolific Poster)

The acne in the last picture looks painful and scary. I know that I don't have the right to suggest that for you but you never thought about oral spiro?

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Oral Spiro 300mg
Cyclo-progynova (2mg etsradiol) three times daily
back to fin 1 mg
Niz 2% three days a week
Vitamin C 1000 mg



Date Posted: 01/07/2012 06:23 PM
Posted By: padstar (Accomplished Poster)



Edited: 01/08/2012 at 12:41 AM by padstar



Date Posted: 01/08/2012 04:52 AM
Posted By: Patrick_Bateman (Prolific Poster)

"YOU CAN SEE HOW MY HAIR GOT BETTER EVERY-TIME WHILE BEING OFF PROPECIA"



Date Posted: 01/08/2012 02:03 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

None of your replys are answering my questions... ," has anyone got on fin hair go downhill, then recover better then baseline after being on it for awhile"

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Treatments
-------------
Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 01/08/2012 02:15 PM
Posted By: PizzaInTheMornin' (Occasional Poster)



How much grass do you eat per day? do you blend it or put it on your food or just eat it straight. Does it make a difference in terms of effectiveness? lastly, do you eat the grass on your lawn or do you order it online?

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Pizza In the Evenin'

Pizza @ Supper Time

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocjNYNMXwt0



Date Posted: 01/08/2012 02:32 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Forget it....


I've made great effort to log my progress and I get these kind of replies...

If you can't help or been in my situation with fin, don't *****ing comment. It's no help..

Damn

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Treatments
-------------
Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 01/08/2012 03:24 PM
Posted By: PizzaInTheMornin' (Occasional Poster)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...e7cYj0&feature=related

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Pizza In the Evenin'

Pizza @ Supper Time

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocjNYNMXwt0



Date Posted: 01/08/2012 10:47 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

For the love of god, someone help me

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Treatments
-------------
Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 01/09/2012 10:25 AM
Posted By: JWM (Accomplished Poster)

Originally posted by: irishpride86

For the love of god, someone help me


What do you want us to do??? Seriously...what can we possibly do to help you? You're getting beyond ridiculous now.





Date Posted: 01/09/2012 11:24 AM
Posted By: beaner (Accomplished Poster)

Originally posted by: JWM

Originally posted by: irishpride86



For the love of god, someone help me




What do you want us to do??? Seriously...what can we possibly do to help you? You're getting beyond ridiculous now.


Lol. I think he's talking about the Pizza in the morning troll.





Date Posted: 01/09/2012 11:31 AM
Posted By: Viens (Regular Poster)

You went to the doctors for tests before starting fin again, didn't you?

Go back to the doctors, tell them what is going on, and get them to do tests. Compare the results.



Date Posted: 01/09/2012 02:31 PM
Posted By: JWM (Accomplished Poster)

Originally posted by: beaner

Originally posted by: JWM



Originally posted by: irishpride86







For the love of god, someone help me








What do you want us to do??? Seriously...what can we possibly do to help you? You're getting beyond ridiculous now.




Lol. I think he's talking about the Pizza in the morning troll.


I thought of that, but sadly, my gut tells me he was just doing his typical plea for help...





Date Posted: 01/09/2012 02:58 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

No.... I was plea for some other advise about fin usage from users on fin.


Not eating grass.....

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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 01/09/2012 03:44 PM
Posted By: JWM (Accomplished Poster)

Exactly. You can get a 1,000 replies and it still won't help YOU. Know why? Because you're not them.

Okay, ready? Here's my story:

Noticed loss at 20. Diffuse thinning down the middle like my part was getting wider. At 22 I started using 2% Rogaine--it was a prescription product back then.

I used that for 2 years until Propecia came out. I hopped on Propecia at 24 and stupidly dropped Rogaine because I didn't know any better.

I shed a lot. My hair got worse, but it eventually stabilized and I used Fin and only Fin for the next 4 years. During that time I had VERY slow loss, but still had a decent head of hair.

At 28 I added Rogaine again. No regrowth, but likely bought myself more time.

I am now 38, still use Fin and Minox, and while I don't have the hair I had when I was a teenager, I can still pass for a decent head of hair.

Side effects? None. Maybe my libido is lower, but I'm also getting older, and I also use antidepressants.

SO! That's my story. Now think about what I'm going to ask you...how does the experience of a Fin user you have never meet, nor ever will, help you in stopping YOUR hair loss.

I will say what I've said before. I think you're a good guy. But you obviously have some type of anxiety disorder which can only exacerbate your MPB unless you learn to control, or medicate it. Take the Fin for a year and stop visiting the forums. Go on vacation with your girlfriend. Buy a dog or a cat. Take up a new hobby or spot. Enjoy life. You're so young, man. You don't need to be wasting it on forums asking the same questions that WILL NOT and CANNOT help you.



Date Posted: 01/09/2012 08:18 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Jwm,


I'm impressed good advise. Will take it. Your fin usage story does help me because you stuck to it.

Btw... I'm getting older too..


I'm 25, got a 4 year degree, good job, good dog,..etc....

Goal now is to keep my hair and improve until I'm 40. That's all I ask for. So 15 years.

Been fighting hairloss since 22. Rogaine works, fin ( shed a lot, only been at it for 7 months back in 2009, I'm now 3 months this time around)


I just want to read stories of fin users to give me the input, in other words I want to at least read someone like me prevail so it will keeps me going on..


Anyway, your post did help, thanks bud.



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Treatments
-------------
Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 01/09/2012 09:24 PM
Posted By: PizzaInTheMornin' (Occasional Poster)

Originally posted by: irishpride86
What commercial are you referring to?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...7MHZk&feature=related
This one.

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Pizza In the Evenin'

Pizza @ Supper Time

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocjNYNMXwt0



Date Posted: 01/09/2012 10:10 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Pizza, you troll, ***** off


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Treatments
-------------
Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 01/09/2012 10:15 PM
Posted By: PizzaInTheMornin' (Occasional Poster)

Originally posted by: irishpride86

Thanks


Np Just hang in there

-------------------------
Pizza In the Evenin'

Pizza @ Supper Time

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocjNYNMXwt0



Date Posted: 01/10/2012 12:24 AM
Posted By: Viens (Regular Poster)

Yeah, what do doctors know anyway? Best just to carry on and hope for the best.

Jul 2010 :Still on minox and ru/ hair is back to baseline... shedding BAD!!!!!!


You weren't on fin here?



Date Posted: 01/10/2012 11:13 AM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Jan 2012, on fin, minox.foam, ru. Been on ru and minox for 2 years now, I added minox liquid and.fin 2 1/2 months ago. Fin is turning my current hair all over into kinked, weak, dry, brittle hair, and my diffusion is resembling that of when I tried fin back in 2009. Am I getting a TE RH reaction again? Should i stop or press on. Anyone have this issue with fin usage and it improve at ?















Also updated first page

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Treatments
-------------
Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 01/23/2012 02:32 PM
Posted By: FC27 (Occasional Poster)

Irish Fin:

Dude, like around 09/10/11 your hair was fine. You have a perfect hairline! What the *****! No balding anywhere.

The reason you keep shedding and making your hair thin is because of all the damn products and medications you keep using. Stop man.

Someone needed to shake you and make you realize there's nothing wrong with your hair like 2 years ago.

I think you have developed BDD if you think there is something wrong with your hair.



Date Posted: 01/23/2012 08:29 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Originally posted by: FC27

Irish Fin:



Dude, like around 09/10/11 your hair was fine. You have a perfect hairline! What the *****! No balding anywhere.



The reason you keep shedding and making your hair thin is because of all the damn products and medications you keep using. Stop man.



Someone needed to shake you and make you realize there's nothing wrong with your hair like 2 years ago.



I think you have developed BDD if you think there is something wrong with your hair.




dude, your wrong, look at my first page and look at my before pics from 2008.

You can see I had bad hairloss before I started meds.

Your wrong



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Treatments
-------------
Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 01/23/2012 08:57 PM
Posted By: hairlessness (Accomplished Poster)

Originally posted by: FC27
The reason you keep shedding and making your hair thin is because of all the damn products and medications you keep using.


Hair loss medications must be the #1 cause of hair loss, second only to masterbation.



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Originally posted by: highhairline
"Who in their right mind puts sex above hair? I think you're on the wrong forum."

"It's the genes! And the androgens!"

Edited: 01/23/2012 at 09:15 PM by hairlessness


Date Posted: 01/23/2012 09:04 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Originally posted by: hairlessness

Originally posted by: FC27

The reason you keep shedding and making your hair thin is because of all the damn products and medications you keep using.






Look at before pics from 2008

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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 01/23/2012 09:12 PM
Posted By: hairlessness (Accomplished Poster)

Irish, you should explore non-AGA causes of hair loss.

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Originally posted by: highhairline
"Who in their right mind puts sex above hair? I think you're on the wrong forum."

"It's the genes! And the androgens!"



Date Posted: 02/07/2012 12:37 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

updated timeline with pics and results from FIN 3 1/2 mnonths on FIn and 2 years minox

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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 02/07/2012 04:52 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Bump

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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 02/07/2012 04:55 PM
Posted By: Selin_life (Regular Poster)

You care about too much about hairs man, you stress so much.

Your hairs is better, good re-growth. it'll be much better after 2-3 months.

Edited: 02/07/2012 at 05:01 PM by Selin_life



Date Posted: 02/07/2012 05:24 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Pre fin usage




3 1/2 month fin usage





Pre fin



3 1/2 month.fin



Pre fin





3 1/2 months fin



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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture

Edited: 02/07/2012 at 05:31 PM by irishpride86



Date Posted: 02/07/2012 05:33 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Holy shit I'm glad I took before and after shots looks like I'm doing well for only 3 1/2 months... Can't wait for a full year !!!

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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 02/07/2012 06:40 PM
Posted By: sgtgork (Prolific Poster)

Looks like you have some regrowth. I would take that hairline anyday over my norwood 3. Don't stress about it.



Date Posted: 02/07/2012 07:21 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

You think... Regrowth...wow

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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 02/08/2012 10:44 AM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Bump... Damn I put a lot of work into this tread hope it helps someone

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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 02/08/2012 11:22 AM
Posted By: whitey88 (Regular Poster)

looks regrowth to me ,congratulation.

Actually I ve just spotted some regrowth of myself this morning too!

beers!



Date Posted: 02/08/2012 10:26 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

You think.. regrowth? Really... I hope the angles are good enough for comparison...

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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 02/09/2012 05:51 PM
Posted By: sgtgork (Prolific Poster)

Irsih, how long have you been off RU? Has fin been better than Ru in your opinion?



Date Posted: 02/09/2012 05:58 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Originally posted by: sgtgork

Irsih, how long have you been off RU? Has fin been better than Ru in your opinion?


To be honest its way too early to say a conclusion on that... Give me till 6 months

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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 02/12/2012 07:03 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

2/12/12




Next week Marks 4 months on fin, and 2 years & 2 months on minox, look at first page for updated timeline of pics while on treatments since 2008




















Above pics are bright light no product or Munoz or nothing in it...

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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 02/12/2012 07:10 PM
Posted By: 2020_2 (Accomplished Poster)

why do you have so much acne?? You think your testosterone could be too high?



Date Posted: 02/12/2012 07:20 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Originally posted by: 2020_2

why do you have so much acne?? You think your testosterone could be too high?


Dude... My latest pics show my acne clearing up as opposed to early pics, within 1 week its cleared up...


Besides the point, look at the hair...

Acne I'm working on.. and pics show its clearing up..

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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 02/13/2012 05:47 AM
Posted By: thegrayman2001 (Prolific Poster)

A) LOOKS GOOD. That's probably the longest I've seen your hair in any of your pics. Stick with the minox and fin for now!!! It seems to be working.

B) People on these forums sure care a lot about the acne for some reason, which is noticeably LESS in these recent pics, so good job on that too.


Continue the work, man. I'm glad you keep posting on these forums unlike some people that disappear and we never know what their results are like.



Date Posted: 02/13/2012 08:19 AM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Grayman, thanks.... Still got work to do... That's for sure..


I put so much effort in my progress ,even on page 1, wish more people would chime in...

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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 02/16/2012 08:53 AM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Hair is now bad again... Shedding, shedding, shedding... On fin now 4 months... Have shedding the whole time...Fml




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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 02/16/2012 01:41 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Damn... Fin at 4 months is really tearing into my hairline.. anyone else have this issue and then it resolve?



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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 02/16/2012 04:40 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Noone has any input?

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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 02/16/2012 05:15 PM
Posted By: hairlessness (Accomplished Poster)

Same problem as before, difficult to compare the pics because the set you claim is good is combed down and dry, the set you say is bad is combed back and wet.

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Originally posted by: highhairline
"Who in their right mind puts sex above hair? I think you're on the wrong forum."

"It's the genes! And the androgens!"



Date Posted: 02/16/2012 05:25 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Originally posted by: hairlessness

Same problem as before, difficult to compare the pics because the set you claim is good is combed down and dry, the set you say is bad is combed back and wet.


Huh? My hair is not wet at all.. in any of my pics.. and.on the last page I have hairline pics that.are hair pushed up

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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 02/17/2012 01:21 AM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Really guys. No input ????

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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 02/17/2012 02:12 AM
Posted By: dogs3 (Accomplished Poster)

you just said about one week ago that your hair was looking better. Now you say its bad again. Just relax and don't update every single week. 4 months is still early. Give it at least 4 more before you decide to make any evaluations.

In the first 4 months of fin use for me I could never tell if things were getting worse or better. You just have to give it time. For me I noticed the difference around months 7/8. Others later than that. But I haven't read of too many people noticing results while just taking fin in as little as 4 months.



Date Posted: 02/17/2012 03:53 AM
Posted By: Selin_life (Regular Poster)

im on Minoxidil %5 since 11.5 months. However, i added Finasteride to my regimen on September after i didnt get the results that i wanted. My hairs started to thickening after 1.5-2 months of Finasteride use. My hairs was getting better quickly, My hairs was pretty thicker around 3 month finas. mark. Then my hairs started to shed. (i didnt shed before 3 months mark) however after 3 month of Finasteride, my hairs shedding so bad. im still sheddding, im around 5month mark. i went to doctor, she said to me that its because of Finasteride and i should give at least 6 months, cuz shedding will continue until 6th month.

it seems thats what happened to you as well. Shedding will continue until 6th month and but after it, your hairs will be much thicker.



Date Posted: 02/17/2012 05:23 AM
Posted By: chonger (Accomplished Poster)

i'm guessing the reason you don't get the replies you are seeking is that you have been going thru "massive shedding" over and over and over and over. I'm not sure what comments people can really add. Your hair looks good from the pics I've seen. Your routine, which seems excessive, is constantly changing so it is impossible to determine if something is working or not. From your user picture, your hair looks great. From the latest ones you've posted, your hair looks great. You are not going to able to keep NW 0 for life. So if you are seeing some thinning on the hairline, unfortunately, it is normal and something that will happen to 99% of people. I've only seen a couple of people in my life who seem to have zero loss. I wish you well because obviously you take this seriously, but at some point you need to pick a regiment and stick with it.

chonger



Date Posted: 02/17/2012 05:39 AM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Originally posted by: chonger

i'm guessing the reason you don't get the replies you are seeking is that you have been going thru "massive shedding" over and over and over and over. I'm not sure what comments people can really add. Your hair looks good from the pics I've seen. Your routine, which seems excessive, is constantly changing so it is impossible to determine if something is working or not. From your user picture, your hair looks great. From the latest ones you've posted, your hair looks great. You are not going to able to keep NW 0 for life. So if you are seeing some thinning on the hairline, unfortunately, it is normal and something that will happen to 99% of people. I've only seen a couple of people in my life who seem to have zero loss. I wish you well because obviously you take this seriously, but at some point you need to pick a regiment and stick with it.



chonger


I have stuck to it.. been on minox for over two years and ru for over two Years. Dropped ru for fin. Now been on fin for 4 months... that's it.. no changes.. I think I've been steady

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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 02/17/2012 05:40 AM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Originally posted by: Selin_life

im on Minoxidil %5 since 11.5 months. However, i added Finasteride to my regimen on September after i didnt get the results that i wanted. My hairs started to thickening after 1.5-2 months of Finasteride use. My hairs was getting better quickly, My hairs was pretty thicker around 3 month finas. mark. Then my hairs started to shed. (i didnt shed before 3 months mark) however after 3 month of Finasteride, my hairs shedding so bad. im still sheddding, im around 5month mark. i went to doctor, she said to me that its because of Finasteride and i should give at least 6 months, cuz shedding will continue until 6th month.



it seems thats what happened to you as well. Shedding will continue until 6th month and but after it, your hairs will be much thicker.


Let me know how ot goes for ya, and ill also keep you posted

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Treatments
-------------
Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 02/17/2012 05:45 AM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Originally posted by: dogs3

you just said about one week ago that your hair was looking better. Now you say its bad again. Just relax and don't update every single week. 4 months is still early. Give it at least 4 more before you decide to make any evaluations.



In the first 4 months of fin use for me I could never tell if things were getting worse or better. You just have to give it time. For me I noticed the difference around months 7/8. Others later than that. But I haven't read of too many people noticing results while just taking fin in as little as 4 months.


Thanks for your reply I always want to read your input, your one of the main reasons that pushed me in the direction to take fin again..

My hair has been up, down, up, down... Seems like I have been going backwards lately for some reason, hair all overr getting thin.. not sure if its a good sign for things to come... I know any backwards results or positive results from here on out will be related to fin usage.. because I've been on minox for over 2 years.

I'll stick it out ..just hope I don't end up making my hair worse by adding fin... Because I've read reports were that occurs, we shall see

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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture

Edited: 02/17/2012 at 05:52 AM by irishpride86


Date Posted: 02/17/2012 08:21 AM
Posted By: Selin_life (Regular Poster)

im still shedding and my hairs are got worse, compared to 2 months ago, less thicker. still have 1 month to 6th month. waiting 6th month.



Date Posted: 02/17/2012 10:27 AM
Posted By: chonger (Accomplished Poster)

what happened to?:

"All I have to say is f*ck propecia and I LOVE RU58841"


chonger



Date Posted: 02/17/2012 10:34 AM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Originally posted by: chonger

what happened to?:



"All I have to say is f*ck propecia and I LOVE RU58841"





chonger


People on thus board said I'm wrong and I need to stay on fin even.though everytime I go on it all I do is shed.... That's why

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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 02/17/2012 11:58 AM
Posted By: TheSun (Prolific Poster)

If I were you, I'd buzz my head really short, maybe number 1 or 2 and keep it that way for a few months. That way you won't notice the shedding at all and you can relax for a bit. Grow it back out after a few months and see if any changes happened.



Date Posted: 02/17/2012 09:16 PM
Posted By: abovedagame (Occasional Poster)

hey phag, what shampoos do you rotate

i love how you never answer questions but get super pissed off when others dont answer ur questions



Date Posted: 02/17/2012 09:43 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Originally posted by: abovedagame

hey phag, what shampoos do you rotate



i love how you never answer questions but get super pissed off when others dont answer ur questions


Sorry man...

I use VOl5 cheap .99 cent.shampoo

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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 02/18/2012 12:10 AM
Posted By: Stoned_Ape_Theory (Prolific Poster)

Irishprided86

This is not an attack.

You are obsessive. You need to take most the advice that's been given and relax.

Take a step back from the situation. Your hairloss could be much worse. Be thankful you have as much hair as you do and rest assured knowing your taking the proven treatments that we know are beneficial. You're doing alright.

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I sometimes know what I'm talking about.

"I'm no doctor, but I've seen one on TV." - Bill Hicks

Regimen:

1/4 proscar daily
Nizoral 2% every day-ish.



Date Posted: 02/18/2012 10:14 AM
Posted By: thegrayman2001 (Prolific Poster)

Just last week you said your hair was doing better, now you're fretting again.

Just stick with it for now. You don't seem to be TE shedding like you did before.



Date Posted: 03/05/2012 08:19 AM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

pre fin:
















2 1/2 months fin













3.5 months on fin














4.5 months fin













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Treatments
-------------
Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture

Edited: 03/05/2012 at 08:38 AM by irishpride86



Date Posted: 03/05/2012 08:33 AM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Not sure what to make of my 4.5 month update on fin...

Looks Like in month 3 I got some regrowth, but by month 4.5 I'm back to 2.5 month status..

Any inputs much thanks...


P.S in 2-3 weeks I plan to add ru and ahk in my treatments

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Treatments
-------------
Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture

Edited: 03/05/2012 at 08:40 AM by irishpride86



Date Posted: 03/05/2012 09:19 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

No input guys?

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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 03/23/2012 06:53 AM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

pre fin:
















2 1/2 months fin













3.5 months on fin














4.5 months fin















5 months fin 1.25 mg, 2 years 3 months minox usage. ( started ru back up after being off it since November. Been 1 weeks now on it again)
Not sure what to think of these results. Looks like I'm not doing good. Need someone to folate each month for me and give me their input, thanks










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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 03/23/2012 07:13 AM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

3/22/12: 5 months fin 1.25 mg, 2 years 3 months minox usage. ( started ru back up after being off it since November. Been 1 weeks now on it again)
Not sure what to think of these results. Looks like I'm not doing good. Need someone to look at each month for me and give me their input, thanks


Pics above and on first page

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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 03/23/2012 03:13 PM
Posted By: HK (Prolific Poster)

Hey Irish,

After carefully viewing your pics, I think the meds are actually working on the hairline. You seem to be growing thicker hair even at 4.5 months, not sure why you feel the opposite. If you feel you need some more protections, maybe switch to DUT?



Date Posted: 03/23/2012 08:09 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

2.5 on 1.25.fin




VS.


3.5 months in fin 1.5mg





5 months fin 1.25






What's the verdict?

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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture

Edited: 03/23/2012 at 08:20 PM by irishpride86



Date Posted: 03/23/2012 08:14 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Originally posted by: HK

Hey Irish,



After carefully viewing your pics, I think the meds are actually working on the hairline. You seem to be growing thicker hair even at 4.5 months, not sure why you feel the opposite. If you feel you need some more protections, maybe switch to DUT?


I think its going... Up, down, up, down...

Posted a good compare pics of 3.5 months vs. 5 months

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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 03/23/2012 08:32 PM
Posted By: Stoned_Ape_Theory (Prolific Poster)

Your hair looks the same in every picture.

I think you make a bigger deal out of your hair loss than it really is.

Don't get me wrong, I understand the paranoia, and I don't deny you have hairloss. Its just really not that bad. This is just a friendly piece of advice.

I think you need to take a step back and don't obsess over the way you do. Hairloss isn't unhealthy, but obsession is.

-------------------------
I sometimes know what I'm talking about.

"I'm no doctor, but I've seen one on TV." - Bill Hicks

Regimen:

1/4 proscar daily
Nizoral 2% every day-ish.



Date Posted: 03/24/2012 12:46 AM
Posted By: KO (Accomplished Poster)

I don't understand, judging by this thread you were on fin in 09, now you say you've been on it for 5 mos? In the first page your hair seems to fluctuate on and off. Right now to be fair it looks fine....I wouldn't kknow that you were losing hair.



Date Posted: 03/24/2012 06:47 AM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Originally posted by: Stoned_Ape_Theory

Your hair looks the same in every picture.



I think you make a bigger deal out of your hair loss than it really is.



Don't get me wrong, I understand the paranoia, and I don't deny you have hairloss. Its just really not that bad. This is just a friendly piece of advice.



I think you need to take a step back and don't obsess over the way you do. Hairloss isn't unhealthy, but obsession is.




Do I? Taken today









I do have hairloss fact ! I'm not kidding myself.

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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 03/24/2012 10:25 AM
Posted By: Chandler Bing (Accomplished Poster)

Originally posted by: irishpride86

Originally posted by: Stoned_Ape_Theory
Don't get me wrong, I understand the paranoia, and I don't deny you have hairloss. Its just really not that bad.

I do have hairloss fact ! I'm not kidding myself.


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--DISCLAIMER--
I am not actually Chandler Bing. Any humurous anecdotes, jokes, or advice that resembles the fictional character "Chandler Bing" is purely coincidental.



Date Posted: 03/24/2012 10:54 AM
Posted By: Stoned_Ape_Theory (Prolific Poster)

Originally posted by: Chandler Bing

Originally posted by: irishpride86


Originally posted by: Stoned_Ape_Theory

Don't get me wrong, I understand the paranoia, and I don't deny you have hairloss. Its just really not that bad.


I do have hairloss fact ! I'm not kidding myself.


Pretty much sums up my response back to IP.

-------------------------
I sometimes know what I'm talking about.

"I'm no doctor, but I've seen one on TV." - Bill Hicks

Regimen:

1/4 proscar daily
Nizoral 2% every day-ish.



Date Posted: 03/24/2012 12:45 PM
Posted By: HP35 (Regular Poster)

Not trying to be a jerk man, but you really need to calm down. Obsessing this much over your hair is not good. Just relax and live your life.



Date Posted: 03/25/2012 01:09 AM
Posted By: MikeYan1 (Accomplished Poster)

I think what ends up happening is you start freaking out, and people start being sarcastic to pull your leg. Gotta tone it down or else you'll be an easy target for humor.

So here's an honest reply:

Fin is working.



Date Posted: 04/04/2012 01:19 PM
Posted By: sapiloco (Newbie)

IrishPride86, I think I have a relatively similar type of alopecia as you do. I'm 31yo. I had a lot of hair loss (about 40%) at 19 (all lost within 3 weeks) and then it stopped for like 9 years. I never recovered that hair. there was no visible miniaturization, no receding hairline, but some kind of pattern (temple area and mid top area, intact vertex). My 82 year old father is a NW3 - Vertex DPA with 60% loss of density but absolutely no miniaturization. It's just loss of density, and the remnant hairs are extremely thick. At 29, the alopecia came back again, irreversibly losing a lot of hair in 2-3 weeks (clogging the drain, that much); this time I could not see any miniaturization either. I started propecia, for 16 months, and all alopecia stopped, but I could not say if it was because of the propecia or by itself (I had no alopecia for 9 years). Then, for economical reasons, I stopped propecia for 3 weeks and guess what : A massive shedding, and incredible fast single-cycle miniaturization (I'm talking hair miniaturizating so fast, you could notice a big difference in thickness between the two extremes of a hair fibre, with changes in thickness noticeable within 10 days). I started dutasteride and it was a DRAMATIC difference. The hair started to gain color and thickness all across the scalp in 3 weeks, and the hair loss also stopped. Of course, I never had any hope of regrowth. I will start minoxidil next week. My Final thoughts:

1. you may have several types of alopecia interacting. In my case, I think I had stress related TE (onsets) that awakened/precipitated/accelerated my DPA, and consumed hair cycles; i.e. I have too much grey/white hair for my age.
2. Since every alopecia is a distinct variable, the resultant combination of these variables may look weird, random, "fluctuating" like in my case, or maybe, your case. And therefore, you can not say if you're improving or getting worse.
3. Stay on fin or dut forever.
4. Confront the fact that these other alopecias that are acting simultaneously in your scalp, besides AGA, like DUPA, could be intractable and will take a toll in your final outcome.

Good luck



Date Posted: 04/04/2012 08:18 PM
Posted By: fueledbyrice (Occasional Poster)

im currently 25 going on 26, which i believe you are around the same age judging by your username. Anyway, I'm receding in the corners and starting to have a bald patch on my crown. im thinking of going fin all the way.

I def applaud your documentation but I would def take every pic the same angles if you are going to document. that way its easier for us to digest as we are not as familiar with your hair as you are yourself. but yea, thanks for giving me hope. I think I am going to get on fin...

BTW have you thought of any specific shampoos or supplements to aid you?

I am purchasing body shop ginger scalp shampoo and toco-8 supplements. Look them up. you might be interested.



Date Posted: 04/04/2012 08:19 PM
Posted By: fueledbyrice (Occasional Poster)

Oyea, also interested in knowing--have you had any side effects while on all these differnt kinds of pills?



Date Posted: 04/04/2012 08:28 PM
Posted By: marklc2004 (Accomplished Poster)

Originally posted by: fueledbyrice

im currently 25 going on 26, which i believe you are around the same age judging by your username. Anyway, I'm receding in the corners and starting to have a bald patch on my crown. im thinking of going fin all the way.



I def applaud your documentation but I would def take every pic the same angles if you are going to document. that way its easier for us to digest as we are not as familiar with your hair as you are yourself. but yea, thanks for giving me hope. I think I am going to get on fin...



BTW have you thought of any specific shampoos or supplements to aid you?



I am purchasing body shop ginger scalp shampoo and toco-8 supplements. Look them up. you might be interested.


body gingner scalp shampoo is good. i rotate shampoos which benefits your hairand scalp. sweet sunnah shampoo, n2 shampoo, regenepure, revita. i use revita condioner 1 or 2 a week



Date Posted: 04/05/2012 08:18 AM
Posted By: dodgePT (Accomplished Poster)

I'm having one badass shed right now, 2 months after starting minox treatment.
I think I'm shedding in the sides also, which I believe is normal because the minox gets absorved and reaches areas of the scalp where you haven't applied.
It hasn't changed my looks too much mainly because my hair is buzzed, but I can see it fall
Fortunately it seems that I have a bunch of new hairs (hairs I didn't see for 5 years or more), growing in their place
Dude, don't quit minox again, you're only doing worse.

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Regimen:
[2.5mg finasteride] 04-18-2012
[minox ~4ml 5% x1] 02-14-2012
[keto 2% shampoo]
[FUE 3700 FU] 11-04-2013



for($hair=0; $hair<100000; $hair++) {
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}



Date Posted: 04/05/2012 09:32 AM
Posted By: fueledbyrice (Occasional Poster)

hey marklc, im curious as to why rotate with so many? the different ingredients would give me better results as opposed to sticking to one of those shampoos?



Date Posted: 04/05/2012 10:26 AM
Posted By: marklc2004 (Accomplished Poster)

Originally posted by: fueledbyrice

hey marklc, im curious as to why rotate with so many? the different ingredients would give me better results as opposed to sticking to one of those shampoos?


i really like sweet sunnah henna shampoo but it dyes my hair. if i use often henna+ black hair= purple. n2 shampoo is another all natural shampoo that smells awesome and deveoped for people who workout. it cost no extra to rotate shampoos and you get the added benefits of the different ingredients. why do farmers rotate crops? the sme reason why u should rotate shampoos



Date Posted: 04/05/2012 11:40 AM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Originally posted by: dodgePT

I'm having one badass shed right now, 2 months after starting minox treatment.

I think I'm shedding in the sides also, which I believe is normal because the minox gets absorved and reaches areas of the scalp where you haven't applied.

It hasn't changed my looks too much mainly because my hair is buzzed, but I can see it fall

Fortunately it seems that I have a bunch of new hairs (hairs I didn't see for 5 years or more), growing in their place

Dude, don't quit minox again, you're only doing worse.


Why do you think I may quit minox? I've been on it for over 2 years?

Been on fin for 5 1/2 months

Ru for over 2 1/2 years as well

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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 04/06/2012 07:52 AM
Posted By: dodgePT (Accomplished Poster)

I said that because you already quit it before, minox is a lifetime commitment. But you seem to be hanging tight

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Regimen:
[2.5mg finasteride] 04-18-2012
[minox ~4ml 5% x1] 02-14-2012
[keto 2% shampoo]
[FUE 3700 FU] 11-04-2013



for($hair=0; $hair<100000; $hair++) {
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Date Posted: 04/21/2012 08:46 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Before fin



2.5 on 1.25.fin




VS.


3.5 months in fin 1.25mg





5 months fin 1.25





6 months on fin 1.25





To be honest I'm shocked I'm halfway through 1 year. Have not seen any gains yet. Wonder if I will even see gains. May go on dut after the 1 year mark, thoughts?

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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 04/21/2012 09:16 PM
Posted By: TheSun (Prolific Poster)

I thought you had diffuse thinning. That's what I see in your earlier photos. Why are you now focusing on your hair-line? It looks the same to me as it always has.



Date Posted: 04/21/2012 09:23 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Originally posted by: TheSun

I thought you had diffuse thinning. That's what I see in your earlier photos. Why are you now focusing on your hair-line? It looks the same to me as it always has.


Not so much these days... But my hairline is what's scary now...

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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 04/22/2012 06:45 AM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Any inputs? I think my temples are worse

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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 04/24/2012 04:00 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Really no more replies, come on guys, I've worked hard at documenting this

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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 04/24/2012 04:05 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Really no more replies, come on guys, I've worked hard at documenting this

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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 04/24/2012 04:06 PM
Posted By: dodgePT (Accomplished Poster)

I think you maintained. You've definitely been worse before.
Do you feel less volume overall?

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Regimen:
[2.5mg finasteride] 04-18-2012
[minox ~4ml 5% x1] 02-14-2012
[keto 2% shampoo]
[FUE 3700 FU] 11-04-2013



for($hair=0; $hair<100000; $hair++) {
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}



Date Posted: 04/24/2012 04:28 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Originally posted by: dodgePT

I think you maintained. You've definitely been worse before.

Do you feel less volume overall?


Volume is better now then back in 2008 for sure, its been up down, up down, but I've for the first time am giving fin a full year to do its work now, been 6 months( some prolly can't believe I've come this far on fin) but been on minox and ru for over 2 years...

But my hairline is getting worse... I hope this fin sheding of the hairline come back... If at 1 year I'm not happy, I'm going on dut.. followed by spiro... After that... I'll give up..

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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 04/24/2012 09:32 PM
Posted By: thegrayman2001 (Prolific Poster)

Looks to me like the density behind the hairline recovered some as you stayed on Fin, however, the very outside edge of the hairline continues to recede VERY slowly. I have this same issue. I think it might just be genetics overpowering the Fin.

Also, I have been taking dut since October 24, 2011. So far it has done NOTHING to help. I've tried Dutagen and Dutas. I've been adding Fin back in for just over a month now, 0.25mg every night, seems to be helping a little. going to up it to .5 soon and then 1mg again.



Date Posted: 04/25/2012 09:14 AM
Posted By: dodgePT (Accomplished Poster)

Some claim dut stopped the thinning when fin couldn't. But as stated earlier, you should definitely give fin its time to work.
Even the 1 year mark may not be enough, but that's up to you to decide
I see you also have an acne problem. Are you taking any meds for that?

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Regimen:
[2.5mg finasteride] 04-18-2012
[minox ~4ml 5% x1] 02-14-2012
[keto 2% shampoo]
[FUE 3700 FU] 11-04-2013



for($hair=0; $hair<100000; $hair++) {
echo $hair;
}



Date Posted: 04/25/2012 09:50 AM
Posted By: jjacobs152 (Newbie)

I think your hairline isn't an issue at all, probably just a self-conscious thing. Amazing pictures/thread you've made. Glad to see that you stuck it through. I hope I can have the same luck as you can. Just need to find a source for the RU.



Date Posted: 04/25/2012 01:03 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Well, fin has not done well for me just yet, I'm gonna give fin 14 months, and then move to dut, followed by Spiro

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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 04/27/2012 05:44 AM
Posted By: thegrayman2001 (Prolific Poster)

If you add in Dut, I would recommend staying on Fin and Dut both at first, and see if you get added regrowth before dropping fin, just in case it doesn't work for you while fin at least seems to be keeping things relatively stable.



Date Posted: 04/27/2012 09:20 AM
Posted By: morgan (Accomplished Poster)

Nice job documenting this Irish. To my eyes, you have made great progress in overall density.

Aren't you still planning on doing the dut EOD in addition to your fin? This is exactly what I will be starting soon (I have my order in with inhousepharmacy and I'm waiting on it).



Date Posted: 04/27/2012 09:23 AM
Posted By: morgan (Accomplished Poster)

Originally posted by: thegrayman2001

If you add in Dut, I would recommend staying on Fin and Dut both at first, and see if you get added regrowth before dropping fin, just in case it doesn't work for you while fin at least seems to be keeping things relatively stable.


Note to Irish- Sorry to ask a question on your thread here.

Grayman- I will be doing this very thing myself shortly. I'm currently on 1mg Propecia and will be adding in dut EOD and monitor things from there. Eventually, I would just like to be on dut. How long do you think I should stay on both before making a final evaluation?



Date Posted: 04/29/2012 12:20 PM
Posted By: bdylan (Regular Poster)

Originally posted by: ahadabans

I think there is a clear difference between your first pictures and your final pictures, so for that I say way to go! Your hair is looking good.



Having said that, I think you are way over analyzing and bouncing treatments like a schizophrenic. You've been at this for less than two years and you've made like 27 regimen changes. As JWM said, just STOP! Pick something and use it for a year at least. There is no way you can make any reasonable deductions with that insane treatment history. Is that your hair loss treatment log or a paper on quantum mechanics? You are going to end up driving yourself mad. Just my opinion.


Yes, I have to agree. I thought this was some kind of joke to begin with. Firstly you don't even look bald. How does your body keep up with these crazy constant changes?

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aloe vera, coconut/castor/emu/jojoba/vitamin e oils, hair assist spray + shampoo, hair more topical, head+shoulders retain, swiss (hair, skin, nails), fin 1.5mg



Date Posted: 05/11/2012 09:23 AM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Ok boys!!!!

Here it is my hair currently right now, buzzed to a #3

Thoughts? I'm almost 7 months fin, 2 1/2 years minox. Dropped ru, because I want to see how fin will do, so far, shedding...shedding... Hints why I buzzed my hair again











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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 05/11/2012 09:31 AM
Posted By: Josejames123 (Occasional Poster)

Dude..ur hair is awesome...keep on doing wat u doin...wishin u a very hairy future for years to come..and yeah if u tired of fin try dut. I completely stopped fin 4 days back now taking dut

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Current treatments

Fin-(Started Sep 2009- Stopped May 2012)
Dutas-0.5mg
Min-10% at night
Nizoral 2% * 3 per week
Himalaya AntiHairloss shampoo





Date Posted: 05/11/2012 09:46 AM
Posted By: happymover (Regular Poster)

your hair looks really good, hairline looking awesome, stick with it



Date Posted: 05/11/2012 12:28 PM
Posted By: TheSun (Prolific Poster)

Like I said before, your hair-line is normal so I don't know why you were obsessing over it. You look like you have a full head of hair. You can kind of see your scalp but thats probably because of shortness and lighting.



Date Posted: 05/11/2012 02:03 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Guys, my hair is bad, not good,.fin has made me shed... So much damage below:



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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 05/11/2012 02:22 PM
Posted By: StandStrong (Accomplished Poster)

is that the hair after you shaved your head?

Or is that the hair you shed the morning after shaving your head? Did you shower I assume after your hair cut?



Date Posted: 05/11/2012 02:28 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Originally posted by: StandStrong

is that the hair after you shaved your head?



Or is that the hair you shed the morning after shaving your head? Did you shower I assume after your hair cut?



Why?

All shaved photos are today, after shower..

Anyway.. fin just sheds my hair, then regrows colorless..

Everyone said, get on fin. Ru sucks. Blah.. blah. Well um.on fin of ru, there's your raw proof that I've lost ground!

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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 05/11/2012 02:38 PM
Posted By: dogs3 (Accomplished Poster)

You can't be telling us that the hair in the sink is from shedding. Its obviously from the buzzcut you gave yourself. There are some major clumps in there, if you were shedding like that constantly you'd be as bald as an egg by now.

Your hair is looking good. Your hairline is also looking very good. You obviously do have BDD. But you can at least try to take some comfort in the fact that you are using the best possible treatments we currently have available. I don't think anyone here would say you have a problem with your hair anymore.



Date Posted: 05/11/2012 02:40 PM
Posted By: KO (Accomplished Poster)

Dude I think you need to take a regimen and stick with it for like a year. Fin is for life anyways, so don't get off it. Your hair looks the same in all the photos.



Date Posted: 05/11/2012 02:42 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Originally posted by: dogs3

You can't be telling us that the hair in the sink is from shedding. Its obviously from the buzzcut you gave yourself. There are some major clumps in there, if you were shedding like that constantly you'd be as bald as an egg by now.



Your hair is looking good. Your hairline is also looking very good. You obviously do have BDD. But you can at least try to take some comfort in the fact that you are using the best possible treatments we currently have available. I don't think anyone here would say you have a problem with your hair anymore.


I never said the hair in the sink was from my shed,.It's not. I shaved my face..

I'm pointing out how thin my actual hair looks...

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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 05/11/2012 02:44 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Originally posted by: KO

Dude I think you need to take a regimen and stick with it for like a year. Fin is for life anyways, so don't get off it. Your hair looks the same in all the photos.


I'm not jumping around. Been on minox for 2 1/2 years, fin for almost 7 months. Dropped ru 2 weeks ago. That's it bro

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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 05/11/2012 04:13 PM
Posted By: Kirby (Accomplished Poster)

Dude, I'd love to have your hairline and density. My hair is similar length to yours and it kills me every morning looking at my NW3 hairline and heavily diffuse balded head.

I know how you feel about fin, the frustration with the aftermath of shedding and the lack of regrowth. Guess we'll have to plow on to the 12 month mark and try and stay positive.



Date Posted: 05/11/2012 10:28 PM
Posted By: StandStrong (Accomplished Poster)

Originally posted by: dogs3

You can't be telling us that the hair in the sink is from shedding. Its obviously from the buzzcut you gave yourself. There are some major clumps in there, if you were shedding like that constantly you'd be as bald as an egg by now.



This is exactly what I was getting at when I asked my series of questions above.



Date Posted: 05/11/2012 10:29 PM
Posted By: StandStrong (Accomplished Poster)

Originally posted by: irishpride86

Originally posted by: KO



Dude I think you need to take a regimen and stick with it for like a year. Fin is for life anyways, so don't get off it. Your hair looks the same in all the photos.




I'm not jumping around. Been on minox for 2 1/2 years, fin for almost 7 months. Dropped ru 2 weeks ago. That's it bro


So your saying your think RU was definitely helping you then??



Date Posted: 05/11/2012 11:24 PM
Posted By: Stoned_Ape_Theory (Prolific Poster)

My crown has no signs of balding as of now, and my crown still looks like that when flash is directly pointed at it.

You're hair is nowhere near as bad as you think. You're hairline is still straight even.

I mean, come on man, stop obsessing about it. Stay on the fin since you don't seem to be having sexual side effects, and you should have a lot of hair in years to come.

Have a beer and relax, its all good.

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I sometimes know what I'm talking about.

"I'm no doctor, but I've seen one on TV." - Bill Hicks

Regimen:

1/4 proscar daily
Nizoral 2% every day-ish.



Date Posted: 05/12/2012 02:20 AM
Posted By: Erick. (Prolific Poster)

I can't see any problems with the latest pics either. Everyone's scalp can be seen when their hair is cut really short and in direct light.

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24/M
Piroctone Olamine 0.75%



Date Posted: 05/12/2012 09:33 AM
Posted By: wakebdr32 (Accomplished Poster)

Last short pics looks worse IMHO. Only you know your condition and have a billion pics to compare.

I see an "I" shape forming from crown forward down the middle. Shedding profusely at this late stage when you started with little to no miniaturization, isn't a great sign Fin is doing anything positive.

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44yr old veteran and still NW2. Give your treatment reasonable time, monitor your results and do your own diligence. Many will respond differently to treatment regardless funded Pharma studies and peddlers that speak in absolutes...



Date Posted: 05/17/2012 11:28 AM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Yeah!!! More shedding I love it ! ... I'm kiding, it *****ing blows.

I'm not sure what's going on... Been on fin for 7 months, minox for 2 1/2 years, dropped ru 3 weeks ago( giving fin a chance fully)
I may be shedding more due to my hair being buzzed and foam is getting to it more, maybe because I dropped ru ( doubt it) maybe a minox shed, Mayne a fin shed... So I don't know the answer...



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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 05/17/2012 01:08 PM
Posted By: sgtgork (Prolific Poster)

Looks like you have some diffuse hairloss in the mid scalp area.You have to give fin at least 18 months. It takes almost 2 years for all the hair on your head to go through a complete cycle. Then if your hair still looks like it is thinning, then go on dut. That with minoxidil should halt it.



Date Posted: 05/23/2012 12:18 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

6.5 months fin 1.25, 2 1/2 years minox, dropped ru 1 month ago ( giving fin a fair shot)














7 MONTH UPDATE ON FIN

7 MONTHS FIN OVER 2 1/2 YEARS MINOX, DROPPED RU 1 MONTH AGO
I've been shedding a lot, may be due to fin, I hope it slows down, been on it.for.7 months, I'm expecting for it to end soon, as others users tell me, we.shall see .

Wish me luck
... Blah!!!!!!


















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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 05/23/2012 12:23 PM
Posted By: 2020_2 (Accomplished Poster)

didn't you say fin gave you a TE reaction? what makes you think you won't get it again?



Date Posted: 05/23/2012 12:29 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Originally posted by: 2020_2

didn't you say fin gave you a TE reaction? what makes you think you won't get it again?


BECAUSE everyone said I was wrong... So I'm taking there advice. Been on minox for over 2 1/2.years, fin 7 months... Pretty consistent. Right?

Anyway, do you think my hair is worse now in fin... Or te reaction? I've made detailed.updates for.close to 3 years now..WOW I'VE WORKING SO HARD ON THIS TREAD,.LOOK AT.FIRST PAGE

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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture

Edited: 05/23/2012 at 03:55 PM by irishpride86


Date Posted: 05/23/2012 12:32 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Edit****

Sorry for typos.. doing this via my phone...

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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 05/23/2012 03:04 PM
Posted By: 2020_2 (Accomplished Poster)

yup it looks better



Date Posted: 05/23/2012 03:14 PM
Posted By: HELLWORLD2 (Occasional Poster)

That is not consistent. Come back in half a decade having used the same regime then ask if we see results. I noticed you when I first started coming here. My first thought was you were looney and I stand by that. Look, I think your documentation and concern is admirable. However you change up your approach every other month and posting pictures of you sitting on the floor naked every month asking if we can SEE a difference because you can SEE a difference isn't going anywhere. I see little difference from the first *****ing pictures you took years ago! Keep off the RU, stick with the Rogaine and finasteride at current dosage and just go with it until a cure or the nearest thing arrives. Your hair loss seems at worst controlled, I personally doubt fin won't be enough. It seems like you're desperately trying to make something that isn't there. So called huge sheds et cetera, compared to what? How much hair are you really shedding? YOU HAVE MORE HAIR THAN 95% OF PEOPLE ON THIS SITE.

I think you can help people out as you've tried it all and been through it all fighting this and I think it's good you keep documenting this so YOU have something to look at in the future. I would stick with fin for at least another year and don't touch anything else besides rogaine foam. Is there a reason you aren't using it twice a day? Maybe add some emu oil to moisturize the scalp? I personally use topical spiro after an emu application but I can't tell you if it does anything just like I can't tell you if rogaine foam or finasteride are doing anything. I THINK they are so I keep on with it and don't worry about it day to day. If I'm bald in the next decade I guess they weren't working?



Date Posted: 05/23/2012 03:33 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Originally posted by: HELLWORLD2

That is not consistent. Come back in half a decade having used the same regime then ask if we see results. I noticed you when I first started coming here. My first thought was you were looney and I stand by that. Look, I think your documentation and concern is admirable. However you change up your approach every other month and posting pictures of you sitting on the floor naked every month asking if we can SEE a difference because you can SEE a difference isn't going anywhere. I see little difference from the first *****ing pictures you took years ago! Keep off the RU, stick with the Rogaine and finasteride at current dosage and just go with it until a cure or the nearest thing arrives. Your hair loss seems at worst controlled, I personally doubt fin won't be enough. It seems like you're desperately trying to make something that isn't there. So called huge sheds et cetera, compared to what? How much hair are you really shedding? YOU HAVE MORE HAIR THAN 95% OF PEOPLE ON THIS SITE.



I think you can help people out as you've tried it all and been through it all fighting this and I think it's good you keep documenting this so YOU have something to look at in the future. I would stick with fin for at least another year and don't touch anything else besides rogaine foam. Is there a reason you aren't using it twice a day? Maybe add some emu oil to moisturize the scalp? I personally use topical spiro after an emu application but I can't tell you if it does anything just like I can't tell you if rogaine foam or finasteride are doing anything. I THINK they are so I keep on with it and don't worry about it day to day. If I'm bald in the next decade I guess they weren't working?



Wow, hostile much, holy ***** man!

Let's get a couple things right... I'm not naked. I have boxers on but figured that was not appropriate so I used a towel to cover more. And I've been consistent these past 2 1/2 years with minox and beenon fin over 7 months. And ru on and off throughout this timeline. How am I Looney? Maybe a couple times but thats because I'm staying constant and freaking out. I mean losing hair is cause to freak out. And how can you say ," what hairloss" have you seen page 1. Have you seen my shediding. Are you being serious with that question?

Cool your roll man. I've.given more help in showhing what sheds are, and treatments I'm on and results.

Take a step back man. I'm not your enemy here,.just giving monthly updates through my 3 year treatment timeline.

Chill out man

Good god. You act like I'm hurting you in some way,... Were all here to help.one another, and I've NOT CHANGED IT UP EVERY MONTH, been on minox for 2 years 7 months. Fin over 7 months( both of those non stop) and ru on and.off during that time... That's it buddy!

So much rage.. calm down.. shit dude!

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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture

Edited: 05/23/2012 at 03:43 PM by irishpride86


Date Posted: 05/23/2012 04:13 PM
Posted By: 2020_2 (Accomplished Poster)





Date Posted: 05/23/2012 04:18 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Originally posted by: 2020_2



Lol... Well. I must say that was indeed a funny picture. I get what your saying man.

On the other hand I guess ill keep updating each month and tracking my progress as usual.




P.s thanks for the laugh, I know your making fun at me, but I do have a sense of humor.


All good

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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 05/23/2012 04:57 PM
Posted By: HELLWORLD2 (Occasional Poster)

Sorry but reading your posts from years back it was quite clear to me some mental issue was involved with you. Did you read my last paragraph? I think you should continue taking fin and rogaine foam. Bump it up to x2 daily and use emu oil if you have a dry scalp. I'd even recommend Spiro, using emu as a carrier oil beforehand. It's worth a try and the best you can do right now. Your hair looks the same to me as it did 3 years ago. If you truly think you're shedding right now, STICK IT OUT. Stick the shed out for another year if you need to. I had huge sheds every few months on fin my first year. You will find every opinion and experience here so you can't take anything as fact, just one experience amongst thousands. Let me clarify, I don't think you're insane. I think hairloss and posting on these sites and reading other crazy people has the ability to give screw with you and I think that's what has happened to you. I was jabbing at you with the naked remark. Good luck! Remember, you have it better than many on this site. At worst you are the perfect candidate for a transplant if it ever comes to that and in my opinion with fin and minox you won't need to worry about that for a while. Have you tried nizoral?



Date Posted: 05/23/2012 09:02 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Originally posted by: HELLWORLD2

Sorry but reading your posts from years back it was quite clear to me some mental issue was involved with you. Did you read my last paragraph? I think you should continue taking fin and rogaine foam. Bump it up to x2 daily and use emu oil if you have a dry scalp. I'd even recommend Spiro, using emu as a carrier oil beforehand. It's worth a try and the best you can do right now. Your hair looks the same to me as it did 3 years ago. If you truly think you're shedding right now, STICK IT OUT. Stick the shed out for another year if you need to. I had huge sheds every few months on fin my first year. You will find every opinion and experience here so you can't take anything as fact, just one experience amongst thousands. Let me clarify, I don't think you're insane. I think hairloss and posting on these sites and reading other crazy people has the ability to give screw with you and I think that's what has happened to you. I was jabbing at you with the naked remark. Good luck! Remember, you have it better than many on this site. At worst you are the perfect candidate for a transplant if it ever comes to that and in my opinion with fin and minox you won't need to worry about that for a while. Have you tried nizoral?


... Never thought posting a 7 month update would lead to this.

Advice taken though..

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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 05/23/2012 09:24 PM
Posted By: Swiftz99 (Accomplished Poster)

dude your hair looks great....
treatment has stabilized or is stabilizing your hair loss for sure.

im basing this off your older pics where you hair has seen worst days.



Date Posted: 05/23/2012 10:26 PM
Posted By: highsierra (Accomplished Poster)

I think I notice some gyno developing, Pic 3, the right tit is a bit larger than the left. It's likely due to the fin, you should probably drop it now.



Date Posted: 05/24/2012 12:02 AM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Originally posted by: highsierra

I think I notice some gyno developing, Pic 3, the right tit is a bit larger than the left. It's likely due to the fin, you should probably drop it now.


Haha.. nah bro. Went to the doctor last week. Asked him to look for that. And I did a sperm count.

I'm side effect free

It may look like it to ya. But I'm bent over in the pics, making ot seem like it...

Your funny though, tryig to freak me out...

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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 05/27/2012 07:48 AM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Ok, so... My shedding is in full force now...

Things I've changed:

Buzzed my hair ( allowing minox to get to scalp better, dropped ru)


Things unchanged:

Fin over 7 months- every day
Minox foam.during day, minox liquid ay night ( doing minox.every day for over 2 1/2 years)

Things I've added:

Nizoral, Msm


Why am I shedding?

These come to mind, could be since my hair is buzzed minox is reaching better, thus shedding, could be fin shedding, could be because I've dropped ru? Or I'm totally *****ed.


Any thoughts?
Pics below







Now, this shedding could be bad or good... Don't know, I tell ya somthing though after being.on fin over 7 months I'm not impressed at all... Ru seems better to me ..just sayin

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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 05/27/2012 11:00 AM
Posted By: Kirby (Accomplished Poster)

I can't see MPB with my naked eyes in those last two pics, bro. You're hair is still cosmetically presentable IMO.



Date Posted: 05/28/2012 05:47 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Originally posted by: Kirby

I can't see MPB with my naked eyes in those last two pics, bro. You're hair is still cosmetically presentable IMO.


Huh... Your Kidding right?

I've been doing nothin but shedding



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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 05/29/2012 04:22 AM
Posted By: Relentless (Regular Poster)

Do you ever wear clothes?



Date Posted: 05/29/2012 06:09 AM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Yes... Thanks for help though..

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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 05/29/2012 06:19 AM
Posted By: master (Newbie)

Do you think about dut?



Date Posted: 05/29/2012 12:21 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Look guys, I'm over 7 months fin, my hair is now in bad shape, it ONLY EVER GETS BAD when I'm on fin...


Enough of the insults and shit.. point is I'm doing what everyone here says, and get on fin. Now that I'm on it and have been.. my hair is going to shit..

I just need some insightsin others who have gone through this ordel with fin..

Thanks

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Treatments
-------------
Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 05/29/2012 01:36 PM
Posted By: Kirby (Accomplished Poster)

^ well, nearly at 6 months and my hair still ooks *****ed up thin after the initial shedding. First time hairloss treatment regimen for me though so no idea from personal experience if this is 'normal'....



Date Posted: 05/29/2012 02:03 PM
Posted By: sgtgork (Prolific Poster)

You might want to try bimatoprost to thicken your existing hairs where you are thinning., That is if you can afford it. United pharmacies has it. My dermatologist just told me it will be approved for hairloss in the next 2 years. He said he actually uses it.



Date Posted: 05/29/2012 02:09 PM
Posted By: FIXME (Prolific Poster)

Sgtgork any sides associated with bimatoprost? Very interested.



Date Posted: 05/29/2012 02:25 PM
Posted By: forero medio (Occasional Poster)

I think you should keep using fin for more than 1 year. Shedding must take place to grow better quality hair. Check out some stories, sometimes the hair is the same or worst than baseline during the first year.

I'm on my 11th month mark with with treatments, my timeline is something like this:


fin/minox/keto

months 1-3: not shedding a single hair
months 4-5: normal shedding, the same than a person without mpb
months 6-8: a little more shedding but my hair improved, it was a bit thicker and some regrowth was taking place

Then I added 2 capsules of dut to my regimen

months 9-10: dutasteride shed, back to baseline. I also got sides that finasteride didn't gave me (lower libido, sensitivity on my nipples) so I decide is not woth it and stopped taking dut.
month 11: shedding is slowly decreasing and lost hairs are coming back.

What I want to tell you is that right now I'm at a 'low point' like you but you have to ride out the sheds and give it at least a full year or two to assert its effectiveness.

I wouldn't stop fin.



Date Posted: 05/29/2012 02:34 PM
Posted By: FIXME (Prolific Poster)

Irish when you find out the 'truth' will you please tell me?

My experimenting is over - waiting for the cure and accept gradual decline in hair.

A xxx



Date Posted: 05/29/2012 02:38 PM
Posted By: marklc2004 (Accomplished Poster)

Originally posted by: FIXME

Irish when you find out the 'truth' will you please tell me?



My experimenting is over - waiting for the cure and accept gradual decline in hair.



A xxx


i found it bro. please follow my regimen and u will be nw1!



Date Posted: 05/29/2012 03:20 PM
Posted By: FIXME (Prolific Poster)

Appreciate the offer my man but that isn't a regime - that is a full time job!

I don't have the time, patience, money, drive or balls to commit to your regime.

Hope your friends and family appreciate he efforts you are going to to remain beautiful!



Date Posted: 05/29/2012 03:22 PM
Posted By: Kirby (Accomplished Poster)

Originally posted by: forero medio

I think you should keep using fin for more than 1 year. Shedding must take place to grow better quality hair. Check out some stories, sometimes the hair is the same or worst than baseline during the first year.

Mine's way worse than baseline, unfortunately. But I'll keep hanging in on there.



Date Posted: 05/29/2012 03:32 PM
Posted By: marklc2004 (Accomplished Poster)

Originally posted by: FIXME

Appreciate the offer my man but that isn't a regime - that is a full time job!



I don't have the time, patience, money, drive or balls to commit to your regime.



Hope your friends and family appreciate he efforts you are going to to remain beautiful!


lol it not that much money if u buy in bulk. the only thing that cost alot of $ is the cb which i will replace when i run out.



Date Posted: 05/29/2012 05:14 PM
Posted By: highsierra (Accomplished Poster)

Originally posted by: irishpride86

Look guys, I'm over 7 months fin, my hair is now in bad shape, it ONLY EVER GETS BAD when I'm on fin...





Enough of the insults and shit.. point is I'm doing what everyone here says, and get on fin. Now that I'm on it and have been.. my hair is going to shit..



I just need some insightsin others who have gone through this ordel with fin..



Thanks


You said awhile back that you started fin, then two months in you started getting bogus fin from Walmart for two more months, then you were able to get back on legit fin again.

So, by simple arithmetic, you are really only 3 months into fin, as the 2 months on bogus fin was the equivalent of quitting, and actually wiped out those initial 2 months also. Do you see this?

On and off fin, quit RU, probably start back up again soon, nothing seems to work.........why not just get on Dut?



Date Posted: 05/29/2012 06:02 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Originally posted by: highsierra

Originally posted by: irishpride86



Look guys, I'm over 7 months fin, my hair is now in bad shape, it ONLY EVER GETS BAD when I'm on fin...











Enough of the insults and shit.. point is I'm doing what everyone here says, and get on fin. Now that I'm on it and have been.. my hair is going to shit..







I just need some insightsin others who have gone through this ordel with fin..







Thanks




You said awhile back that you started fin, then two months in you started getting bogus fin from Walmart for two more months, then you were able to get back on legit fin again.



So, by simple arithmetic, you are really only 3 months into fin, as the 2 months on bogus fin was the equivalent of quitting, and actually wiped out those initial 2 months also. Do you see this?



On and off fin, quit RU, probably start back up again soon, nothing seems to work.........why not just get on Dut?




Yah, that's not the case man. All fin as been bought from walmart. And I found out all brands I use are legit..

I think being at over 7 month's I'm just in the shedding phase..

I'll give it 1 year then decide to quit and go back on ru.

Remember guys. I'M NOT JUMPING AROUND ON TREATMENTS

Been on minox 2 1/2 years, fin over 7 months , ru ( on and off)

I've dropped ru 2 months ago to assess fins effectiveness.

But i tell ya, this fin shedding is brutal.. I hope it ends soon.. I'm chugging along closer to 8 months on it

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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 05/29/2012 07:16 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Well.. I think I'm gonna drop fin...looking at pics it seems my best results are minox foam and ru..

I've tried fin twice once in 2009 for 7 months( look at first page for how bad hair got)

Now my second go around on fin is just as bad as the first go around..

I'm do mad at myself for not listening to my gut and just staying on minox and ru and not touch fin..


But nooooo, I had to act like I was crazy and go on fin..

Point is fin is bad for me... I'm quitting and going back to what works for me... Ru and minox..

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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 05/29/2012 07:28 PM
Posted By: sgtgork (Prolific Poster)

Irish, I would taper off fin if I were you. If you stop all at once, you may get even a bigger shed from the increased dht.



Date Posted: 05/29/2012 07:36 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Yah.. I'm gonna taper off..

Too bad not many posters like me go through with what I've been through.. as in they can help me stay on fin.. but sadly I have not read many people in my spot ..

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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 05/29/2012 07:50 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

This will be my last post.... For a LONG LONG TIME..

Bye guys, best of luck!

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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 05/29/2012 10:20 PM
Posted By: forero medio (Occasional Poster)

Look irishpride, I don't know you but I think everybody here can agree that hair is important for you. You take lots of photos, post in every thread, and obssess over it endlessly.

You live in USA right? Why don't you save some money, take a cheap flight to Canada and go to see Hasson? (or whatever doctor you think is the best)
He will take some pictures of you, hear your story, map your head for miniaturization and will put you into a treatment. This way you will know you are doing the best you can do for your hair and you'll stop obssesing and wasting your life on this forums, posting pictures every week naked showing your head in different lightning conditions, switching treatments, using not approved treatments, etc.

I think is the best thing you can do. Seriously.

Take care.



Date Posted: 05/29/2012 10:20 PM
Posted By: ssolriah (Accomplished Poster)

I like your hair. It looks good and i think no one out side could tell your loosing your hair. You have still 5 months to go with Fin. If you feel your still shedding after that, change it to Duta. After this you know that Fin is not working for you and you dont need to listen anyone.

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"No one is ever defeated until defeat has been accepted as a reality."

-20.4.2011 Avodart 0.5mg
-Nizoral 2009 1-2/week
-20.2.2012 Rogaine Foam (at nights)
-RUM 15.3.2012 (temples)
-1.7.2012Fin 1mg



Date Posted: 05/30/2012 03:45 AM
Posted By: dodgePT (Accomplished Poster)

No one can tell you what to do irish, but when people say for you to stay on fin, they really want the best for you.
Anyway, best of luck for dutasteride experience, I hope it solves your problem.

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Regimen:
[2.5mg finasteride] 04-18-2012
[minox ~4ml 5% x1] 02-14-2012
[keto 2% shampoo]
[FUE 3700 FU] 11-04-2013



for($hair=0; $hair<100000; $hair++) {
echo $hair;
}



Date Posted: 05/31/2012 07:52 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Here's more proof of how.quick my hair goes bad after quitting.ru, and being on fin for 7 months , the result.. te reaction, AGAIN! JUST LIKE 2009 WHEN I WAS ALSO ON FIN FOR 7 MONTHS.

Do you guys still think I'm.crazy that fin.is bad for me????






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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 05/31/2012 08:02 PM
Posted By: marklc2004 (Accomplished Poster)

your hailrine will recede if u drop fin!



Date Posted: 05/31/2012 08:05 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Look at page 20, last post on page 20

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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 05/31/2012 08:13 PM
Posted By: DHTd (Accomplished Poster)

Is the acne due to fin? Or you already had it before?



Date Posted: 05/31/2012 08:18 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Always had acne...

For the love of god... Why get off topic?

Look I go on fin for 7 months... Get te reactions.. told by you guys that I'm crazy, need to go back on fin again.. and I am.. 7 months later look at my result.. te reaction AGAIN!

NOW ALL I want is someone to see my sound logic by my proof in pics... I advise all to look at page 1, then page 20.
And then comment on what I should do.

Thanks

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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 05/31/2012 08:44 PM
Posted By: DHTd (Accomplished Poster)

Get on cod liver oil.

Also relax bro, you need to chillax a bit, only you know if you want to drop fin now or not, I don't think you need to prove anything to anyone here, the photos are clear that you're shedding and that you've lost terrain a few times before.

Edited: 06/03/2012 at 04:26 PM by DHTd



Date Posted: 06/01/2012 12:54 AM
Posted By: highsierra (Accomplished Poster)

I agree, you need to get off fin and get on cod fish oil.

BTW has your gyno gotten worse? I see you are wearing a T shirt in your pics now.

What are you going to due about the acne craters?



Date Posted: 06/01/2012 02:53 AM
Posted By: Erick. (Prolific Poster)

If you're still getting acne at 25 there's a good chance that whatever is causing your acne is also negatively affecting your hair.

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24/M
Piroctone Olamine 0.75%



Date Posted: 06/01/2012 07:45 AM
Posted By: momo786 (Accomplished Poster)

Sorry for going off topic your hairloss progress is inspiring Im a norwood1 but my crown in the middle one patch is thinning and looks as if a chuck has been taken out my hairloss was dandruff related any advice would be greatly appricated



Date Posted: 06/24/2012 07:57 AM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Ok. I'm now 8 months fin 1.25, and 2 years 6 months minox, dropped ru back in late April.

Hows my hair doing? Well I went through some bad. Bad shedding, look at previous page for that picture.

Anyway now I'm barley shedding, and my hairline is improving, and my hair is STARTING to thicken back up. I would say in about 6 weeks from now I should be in good shape.
I'll take pic here soon and update my timeline on first page.

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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 06/24/2012 08:36 AM
Posted By: FollicleHell (Prolific Poster)

Originally posted by: irishpride86

Ok. I'm now 8 months fin 1.25, and 2 years 6 months minox, dropped ru back in late April.



Hows my hair doing? Well I went through some bad. Bad shedding, look at previous page for that picture.



Anyway now I'm barley shedding, and my hairline is improving, and my hair is STARTING to thicken back up. I would say in about 6 weeks from now I should be in good shape.

I'll take pic here soon and update my timeline on first page.


Hey Irish, nice to see you on this forum. I've been a silent viewer of your progress on HLT. I've seen you do very good and then very bad, and then very good again. That offers me some hope for my own hair loss woes.

One question. How have you maintained your hairline? I've seen you suffer from diffuse thinning, but your hairline has been NW 0.5/1 in most of the time throughout your treatment. How have you managed to maintain that? I ask this because my hairline has gone to the shits, quicker with the foam than anything I've ever used before. I have some vellus hairs in the NW2 shape(I'm currently a NW3) that I really hope to recover before it's too late.

My theory is that the liquid lost its efficacy and the Foam has started my Minox journey all over again. I switched from Dr Lee's Minox to Kirkland. I think the latter is weaker, hence less effective. The foam, on the other hand, is seriously strong, I can see really tiny blond/brown hairs on my previous hairline, I don't think they want to thicken up though. I'm thinking of RU, but don't have the time or the money at the moment.

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Proscar 1mg every day

Rogaine Foam(half a cup of foam)

Kirkland Minox(1ml)

Biotin tabs 5mg

Nizoral 2/3 times a week.

Prayers or cursing depending on growth or loss respectively.

Edited: 06/24/2012 at 09:10 AM by FollicleHell


Date Posted: 06/24/2012 08:43 AM
Posted By: FollicleHell (Prolific Poster)

Right, ***** it! I've made a decision. I am getting myself on RU with Foam. One last chance at the dance before I go to Dr Rahal.

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Proscar 1mg every day

Rogaine Foam(half a cup of foam)

Kirkland Minox(1ml)

Biotin tabs 5mg

Nizoral 2/3 times a week.

Prayers or cursing depending on growth or loss respectively.



Date Posted: 06/26/2012 09:33 AM
Posted By: FollicleHell (Prolific Poster)

Bump. Where is the leprechaun?

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Proscar 1mg every day

Rogaine Foam(half a cup of foam)

Kirkland Minox(1ml)

Biotin tabs 5mg

Nizoral 2/3 times a week.

Prayers or cursing depending on growth or loss respectively.



Date Posted: 06/26/2012 10:07 AM
Posted By: Chandler Bing (Accomplished Poster)

LOL, I spent 10 minutes slowly going through Irish's timeline OP - nearly fell off my chair when I read the second post in this thread.

Am I the only one that thinks fin was good for him?

Yea, it makes you shed, but you came off it and then your hair is miraculously transformed leap years ahead of baseline?

Fin must have played a part in that (even though the results only appeared cosmetically after you dropped it)

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--DISCLAIMER--
I am not actually Chandler Bing. Any humurous anecdotes, jokes, or advice that resembles the fictional character "Chandler Bing" is purely coincidental.



Date Posted: 06/26/2012 10:13 AM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Chandler, I'm now 8 months fin, I'm pushing on this time bro, we shall see what happens

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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 06/26/2012 10:19 AM
Posted By: FollicleHell (Prolific Poster)

Originally posted by: irishpride86

Chandler, I'm now 8 months fin, I'm pushing on this time bro, we shall see what happens


Hey Irish. Talk to me, I'll be honoured. You're like a hairloss celebrity on the internet(or is that in the internet(Matrix)).

-------------------------
Proscar 1mg every day

Rogaine Foam(half a cup of foam)

Kirkland Minox(1ml)

Biotin tabs 5mg

Nizoral 2/3 times a week.

Prayers or cursing depending on growth or loss respectively.



Date Posted: 06/26/2012 10:21 AM
Posted By: FollicleHell (Prolific Poster)

Originally posted by: Chandler Bing

LOL, I spent 10 minutes slowly going through Irish's timeline OP - nearly fell off my chair when I read the second post in this thread.



Am I the only one that thinks fin was good for him?



Yea, it makes you shed, but you came off it and then your hair is miraculously transformed leap years ahead of baseline?



Fin must have played a part in that (even though the results only appeared cosmetically after you dropped it)


Valid point.

One of the worst things about hair is the time it takes to realise whether your treatments are beneficial or otherwise. I'm going to find out in a few months the answer to my query.

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Proscar 1mg every day

Rogaine Foam(half a cup of foam)

Kirkland Minox(1ml)

Biotin tabs 5mg

Nizoral 2/3 times a week.

Prayers or cursing depending on growth or loss respectively.



Date Posted: 06/26/2012 10:21 AM
Posted By: Chandler Bing (Accomplished Poster)

Best of luck to you Irish.

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--DISCLAIMER--
I am not actually Chandler Bing. Any humurous anecdotes, jokes, or advice that resembles the fictional character "Chandler Bing" is purely coincidental.



Date Posted: 06/26/2012 10:25 AM
Posted By: FollicleHell (Prolific Poster)

Originally posted by: irishpride86

Chandler, I'm now 8 months fin, I'm pushing on this time bro, we shall see what happens


It says on your log that you suffered from sheds, but it went on for months! You should be bald by now. Are you sure you didn't mistake shedding for normal hair loss?

One other thing, I've got TE as you did, all around my head, including back and sides. Did your hair grow back in the areas you lost it after you stopped? Unlike you, I have further recession on the hairline that Fin or Minox seems to have accelerated, I hope I get it back.

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Proscar 1mg every day

Rogaine Foam(half a cup of foam)

Kirkland Minox(1ml)

Biotin tabs 5mg

Nizoral 2/3 times a week.

Prayers or cursing depending on growth or loss respectively.



Date Posted: 06/26/2012 10:34 AM
Posted By: Chandler Bing (Accomplished Poster)

Originally posted by: FollicleHell
Valid point.



One of the worst things about hair is the time it takes to realise whether your treatments are beneficial or otherwise. I'm going to find out in a few months the answer to my query.

Yea exactly.
If your hair is vastly improved from baseline, it is likely something that was working 4-6 months prior to regrowth - in irish's case that was fin.

-------------------------
--DISCLAIMER--
I am not actually Chandler Bing. Any humurous anecdotes, jokes, or advice that resembles the fictional character "Chandler Bing" is purely coincidental.



Date Posted: 06/26/2012 10:48 AM
Posted By: FollicleHell (Prolific Poster)

Originally posted by: Chandler Bing

Originally posted by: FollicleHell

Valid point.







One of the worst things about hair is the time it takes to realise whether your treatments are beneficial or otherwise. I'm going to find out in a few months the answer to my query.


Yea exactly.

If your hair is vastly improved from baseline, it is likely something that was working 4-6 months prior to regrowth - in irish's case that was fin.


I had my hair my falling out as I was rubbing them recently. It will probably happen if I dared to brush my hand over my head as I type. This is happening after a month of a healthy hair diet along with a consistent regimen of Finasteride and Minoxidil. I've also experienced sides from both treatments recently.

My scalp felt itchy and flaky too. The latter could be the residue from the foam. My hair feels and looks thinner than it was a month ago and my hairline is disappearing. I'm contemplating whether I should go on or discontinue my treatment as Irish did. I'd rather have healthy hair loss as opposed to the unhealthy hair loss I'm having right now. My hair looks crap from everywhere, especially the frontal sides, from some angles it looks as if I'm all but bald.

I daren't wash my hair any more because of the sudden change. I always have concealers on which messes everything around me. I don't even look at myself in the mirror without concealers. It's all changed so suddenly.
What to do?

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Proscar 1mg every day

Rogaine Foam(half a cup of foam)

Kirkland Minox(1ml)

Biotin tabs 5mg

Nizoral 2/3 times a week.

Prayers or cursing depending on growth or loss respectively.



Date Posted: 06/26/2012 10:55 AM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Most my Gaines were with minox guys, I have yet to see fin gains...

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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 06/26/2012 10:56 AM
Posted By: FollicleHell (Prolific Poster)

Originally posted by: irishpride86

Most my Gaines were with minox guys, I have yet to see fin gains...


What about the TE you were on about? Are you certain that Fin was causing it? I need to know because I'm experiencing the same thing as you were.

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Proscar 1mg every day

Rogaine Foam(half a cup of foam)

Kirkland Minox(1ml)

Biotin tabs 5mg

Nizoral 2/3 times a week.

Prayers or cursing depending on growth or loss respectively.



Date Posted: 06/26/2012 11:09 AM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

I'm not sure.... At 1 year of fin treatment ill know if its working.

I'm at 8 months now on fin 1.25mg generic from Wal-Mart.

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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 06/26/2012 11:11 AM
Posted By: FollicleHell (Prolific Poster)

How did you reverse the T.E the last time? At one point it was as if you had no visible hair loss. I have serious diffusion all over, it's concentrated on my frontal temples and sides.

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Proscar 1mg every day

Rogaine Foam(half a cup of foam)

Kirkland Minox(1ml)

Biotin tabs 5mg

Nizoral 2/3 times a week.

Prayers or cursing depending on growth or loss respectively.



Date Posted: 06/26/2012 11:51 AM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

I'm not sure

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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 06/26/2012 05:49 PM
Posted By: Ithappens (Regular Poster)

I just read your first post and looked at the pictures. I'm almost convinced I should shave my head, not because your results don't look great and are certainly inspiring, it's just it looks like a painfully tedious losing battle... I'm too lazy to care so much.



Date Posted: 08/13/2012 08:56 PM
Posted By: Salty (Newbie)

Hey man, im new to all this and its good to see a timeline of what to expect
Im only on dnc minox and revita. Im having the same minox experiance
Massive shedding for three months. growth for months 4-5 and now im at month 6
And have been diffuse shedding for 4 weeks and looking worse than ever. Just would like
to know if you think a 6 month shed is a bad sign or ride it out again? Pretty disheartening...
Cheers again. Good timeline!



Date Posted: 08/20/2012 04:39 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Ok ,so I'm now month 10 fin and 3 years minox..


What can I say so far ?


Well I was told by many on this website to go on fin and stick it out , and I'm now month 10 and my hairline and hair density is not good, I've never stopped shedding upon taking fin, before fin my hair was ok, not shedding much, this was when I was on Ru and minox, now I'm on fin almost 1 year while staying on minox and I've been off Ru... End result , my hair is shit,



So decade two, dogs 3 , jwm? What do you think of this as I've followed your advice and stuck too it and now I'm worse off,


Should I go on dut ?

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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 08/20/2012 04:43 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

I'll update with pics later tonight or tomorrow

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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 08/20/2012 04:46 PM
Posted By: gutted2 (Prolific Poster)

woah dude.... you still here!!

i still remember this thread from back in the day when i first noticed my baldness.

what i found out since then took me quite some time to figure out after starting various treatments.

im going to say this simply, drop the fin...whether the lost hairs return or not depends on whether you aggrevated your baldness by starting fin or just lost hairs due to shedding.



Date Posted: 08/20/2012 05:57 PM
Posted By: Kirby (Accomplished Poster)

Hope you're OK in your life generally, irishpride. I know the frustration with finasteride: I've been on it 8+ months, and although in my case it stopped the shedding many months ago, I still look horrifically thin on top after the initial major shed. Didn't bother me much at the time, as I assumed that it'd all return eventually, but it hasn't. No signs. It's very difficult for me personally to keep on taking it: main reason (as well as wanting to stick it out until month 12 as the packaging suggests) is that as I've paid out of pocket for all the Propecia,* and I want to make sure I get my money's worth! I doubt that I'd have gotten this far without noticing some of the 'success stories' on HLT and elsewhere.

* everything else I've ever needed in my life was covered by the NHS, so it was the first medicine I've paid for.



Date Posted: 08/21/2012 05:29 AM
Posted By: dodgePT (Accomplished Poster)

Kirby, don't drop fin without using some other sort of 5ar inhibitor or at least, a topical antiandrogen. You'll deeply regret it.
You may had no regrowth from it, but it might have maintained some of the hair, that you WILL lose by interrupting fin usage.
But I guess you know that.

As for irish, since you don't have side effects, I see no problem in trying dut. I'm sure I'll try it, if fin results are poor, but never before the 2 year mark.
Latest fin studies clearly state many subjects improved AFTER 2 years on treatment and some of them were around my age/current NW.

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Regimen:
[2.5mg finasteride] 04-18-2012
[minox ~4ml 5% x1] 02-14-2012
[keto 2% shampoo]
[FUE 3700 FU] 11-04-2013



for($hair=0; $hair<100000; $hair++) {
echo $hair;
}



Date Posted: 08/21/2012 06:31 PM
Posted By: Kirby (Accomplished Poster)

Originally posted by: dodgePT

Kirby, don't drop fin without using some other sort of 5ar inhibitor or at least, a topical antiandrogen. You'll deeply regret it.

You may had no regrowth from it, but it might have maintained some of the hair, that you WILL lose by interrupting fin usage.

But I guess you know that.

I do indeed. It's not so much the lack of regrowth (as in, better/more hair than baseline) that concerns me, it's the lack of return of the hair shed in the early weeks of using fin. That was the end of January, start of February, when I lost a lot more ground very visibly than I had over any amount of time (my MPB must be naturally slow, I assume, as I got to 30 while still a NW2). Unfortunately I haven't gotten any conclusive information from asking on hairloss forums about why that early shedloss hasn't reversed. I'd be incredibly gutted if it turns out that starting fin actually triggered a speeding-up of MPB.



Date Posted: 08/21/2012 06:41 PM
Posted By: 2020_2 (Accomplished Poster)

OFF FIN, FROM HERE ON OUT Hair got great off FIN, had TE reaction the whole time while i was on it, hair thinned all over, including back and sides

lol explain that D2



Date Posted: 08/22/2012 06:33 AM
Posted By: yepes (Regular Poster)

quite agree. perfect hair line, I'd even doubt you suffer from hair loss at times.



Date Posted: 08/23/2012 08:44 AM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

8/23/12

Ok ,so I'm now month 10 fin and 3 years minox..


What can I say so far ?


Well I was told by many on this website to go on fin and stick it out , and I'm now month 10 and my hairline and hair density is not good, I've never stopped shedding upon taking fin, before fin my hair was ok, not shedding much, this was when I was on Ru and minox, now I'm on fin almost 1 year while staying on minox and I've been off Ru... End result , my hair is shit,



So decade two, dogs 3 , jwm? What do you think of this as I've followed your advice and stuck too it and now I'm worse off,


Should I go on dut ?

P.S EVERYONE NEEDS TO LOOK AT FIRST PAGE TO SEE MY TIMELINE HOW HOW MY HAIR HAS INFACT GOTTEN WORSE WHILE ON FIN















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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture

Edited: 08/23/2012 at 09:13 AM by irishpride86



Date Posted: 08/23/2012 09:01 AM
Posted By: Boldy (Accomplished Poster)

Bro,

this might be oftopic, But, I see you have allot of acne, I think you can easyliy avoid that(if you want).

What helped for me (ramatroban) Acne went 100% away, but I had very mild acne. Also what works perfect, cleaning the face 2-3 times a day with 96% ethanol. It work wonders.


I hope this will help you. this is based on my own experience.

Good luck!



Date Posted: 08/23/2012 09:05 AM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Originally posted by: GansterBoy

Bro,



this might be oftopic, But, I see you have allot of acne, I think you can easyliy avoid that(if you want).



What helped for me (ramatroban) Acne went 100% away, but I had very mild acne. Also what works perfect, cleaning the face 2-3 times a day with 96% ethanol. It work wonders.





I hope this will help you. this is based on my own experience.



Good luck!



yah its because i have high T, i'll try that...


On a side not i may go on dut as well as fin: read this guys story, kinda like mine:

http://www.hairlosstalk.com/in...loss-arsenal-but-close

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Treatments
-------------
Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 08/23/2012 09:09 AM
Posted By: hairshock (Accomplished Poster)

Dude congrats!

Your hair looks AMAZING.

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Sep '10 Fin 0.8-1mg/day
June '05 Niz 2% 3x week



Date Posted: 08/23/2012 09:12 AM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Originally posted by: hairshock

Dude congrats!



Your hair looks AMAZING.


huh ? dude you NEED to look at the first page to see how my hair has gotten worse while being on fin

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Treatments
-------------
Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 08/23/2012 09:13 AM
Posted By: DHTd (Accomplished Poster)

No visible hair loss, congrats! keep it up.



Date Posted: 08/23/2012 09:15 AM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Originally posted by: DHTd

No visible hair loss, congrats! keep it up.


again, look at my first page of a timeline photos... you can clearly see my hairline getting worse

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Treatments
-------------
Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 08/23/2012 09:17 AM
Posted By: DHTd (Accomplished Poster)

I did see it, no major difference, add at topical for the hairline and you're set.



Date Posted: 08/23/2012 09:19 AM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Originally posted by: DHTd

I did see it, no major difference, add at topical for the hairline and you're set.


im thinking of buying some more ru from kane, and adding dut, since Ive been 10 months on fin and im not happy, is it safe to say i should try dut now >

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Treatments
-------------
Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 08/23/2012 09:26 AM
Posted By: gutted2 (Prolific Poster)

Originally posted by: irishpride86

Originally posted by: hairshock



Dude congrats!







Your hair looks AMAZING.




huh ? dude you NEED to look at the first page to see how my hair has gotten worse while being on fin


irish i have to thank you dude, your the first person that highlighted reflex androgenicty to me all those years ago...

had i stuck with the treatment and dose that i was on back then i would have been slick bald by now.

i think your hair looks better now? i cant really tell due to different hair styling in the photos though.



Date Posted: 08/28/2012 05:12 PM
Posted By: jt727 (Occasional Poster)

Hi Irishpride,

Some people don't respond well at the hairline. Look at the positive side, your crown looks completely full.

Have you considered a HT for your hairline?



Date Posted: 08/28/2012 05:22 PM
Posted By: Science (Accomplished Poster)

Originally posted by: gutted2

Originally posted by: irishpride86



Originally posted by: hairshock







Dude congrats!















Your hair looks AMAZING.








huh ? dude you NEED to look at the first page to see how my hair has gotten worse while being on fin




irish i have to thank you dude, your the first person that highlighted reflex androgenicty to me all those years ago...



had i stuck with the treatment and dose that i was on back then i would have been slick bald by now.



i think your hair looks better now? i cant really tell due to different hair styling in the photos though.



What regimen were u on back then?
What does Reflex have to do with changes you made?
What regimen are u on now that had u avoid going slick bald?

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this is for information purposes I am not a Dr. for hair loss my advice should not be considered medical/expert advice for such. The poster will not be liable for any direct, indirect, consequential, special, exemplary, or other damages arising therefrom.



Date Posted: 08/28/2012 06:02 PM
Posted By: gutted2 (Prolific Poster)

Originally posted by: Science

Originally posted by: gutted2



Originally posted by: irishpride86







Originally posted by: hairshock















Dude congrats!































Your hair looks AMAZING.
















huh ? dude you NEED to look at the first page to see how my hair has gotten worse while being on fin








irish i have to thank you dude, your the first person that highlighted reflex androgenicty to me all those years ago...







had i stuck with the treatment and dose that i was on back then i would have been slick bald by now.







i think your hair looks better now? i cant really tell due to different hair styling in the photos though.






What regimen were u on back then?

What does Reflex have to do with changes you made?

What regimen are u on now that had u avoid going slick bald?


pm replied to.

you should look up reflex hyperandrogencity if you dont know what it is.



Date Posted: 09/09/2012 10:40 AM
Posted By: Armin (Newbie)

thanks irish for sharing his own experience. below is my experience:
like irishpride86, after using minoxidil 5%, first I experienced a significant hair growth and after 6 month I lost all my grown hair.Unfortunately after that minoxidil didn't work for me anymore. It's about 4 months that I've started using rogaine foam and the result is not bad but still I lose hair and no significant hair growth. I think my hair has become sensitive to minoxidil. I don't know how I can return to those hairy days .



Date Posted: 09/09/2012 11:53 AM
Posted By: tmason85 (Regular Poster)

the guy has telogen effluvium. if he were to drop everything and wait a year, dollars to donuts he would have a full head of hair.



Date Posted: 09/09/2012 01:08 PM
Posted By: Kirby (Accomplished Poster)

Originally posted by: tmason85

the guy has telogen effluvium. if he were to drop everything and wait a year, dollars to donuts he would have a full head of hair.

I also suspect that Irish has some other non-MPB complaint going on which would explain his hairloss.



Date Posted: 09/11/2012 08:45 AM
Posted By: Armin (Newbie)

I don't think so.It is MPB but I think scalp become sensitive to minoxidil after a while. many people have reported such a thing.



Date Posted: 09/12/2012 05:17 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

So.. An update


I'm 1 month away from being 1 year on fin.

My opinion .... Fin *****ing blows... It's not any better for me, i wish I never listened to decadetwo, dogs 3 or , jwm funny thing is none of those guys have posted in this tread for awhile...

So now as of aug 20th I've been taking dr. Reddys dut 0.5 3/ week as well as fin 1.25mg each day, and minox..

Next month I plan to add Ru from Kane back in...

Then I'm doing all I can..

My hair is.... So-so have to keep it buzzed to look ok.. I've list ground I think ...


Will post Pics oct 26th, which will be my 1 year mark on fin

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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 09/12/2012 05:38 PM
Posted By: marklc2004 (Accomplished Poster)

u should add psi



Date Posted: 09/12/2012 05:41 PM
Posted By: ohmanohno (Prolific Poster)

Why add Dut if you think Fin gave you some sort of allergic reaction? Your results looked solid on RU and minox alone.



Date Posted: 09/12/2012 05:48 PM
Posted By: Kirby (Accomplished Poster)

Sorry to hear you haven't had much luck with regrowth Irish. FWIW, I feel very negative about fin after 9 months usage, so far it's given me nothing apart from a big shed that hasn't reversed and made my scalp itch disappear. Have you looked into the possibility of any non-MPB factors involved in your hairloss?



Date Posted: 09/12/2012 05:50 PM
Posted By: cruiser (Regular Poster)

ARMIN that was my experience exactly on minox when i was 23 i used minox 5 % and got full regrowth dense regrowth completely filling in a massively thin crown and then 6 months later just all falls out...I was able to reproduce this result only a couple of other times.It doesnt regrow for me anymore.I remember back then having so much hope thinking my hairloss was cured and said time to go on with life....NOT!



Date Posted: 09/12/2012 05:59 PM
Posted By: Kirby (Accomplished Poster)

^ so many stories like these are why I didn't start minox when I started fin, and hope to never need minox.



Date Posted: 09/12/2012 06:17 PM
Posted By: Science (Accomplished Poster)

This thread has about 100k views...so what is the bottom line as far as what has been learned with this thread THAT SOMEONE CAN APPLY to their regimen specifically?

Please don't say it is to take the alleged big 3....with RU & anti inflam..everyone here is who knows what time it is, is already on that.

something more useful should come out of all this

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this is for information purposes I am not a Dr. for hair loss my advice should not be considered medical/expert advice for such. The poster will not be liable for any direct, indirect, consequential, special, exemplary, or other damages arising therefrom.



Date Posted: 09/12/2012 11:59 PM
Posted By: Armin (Newbie)

Originally posted by: cruiser

ARMIN that was my experience exactly on minox when i was 23 i used minox 5 % and got full regrowth dense regrowth completely filling in a massively thin crown and then 6 months later just all falls out...I was able to reproduce this result only a couple of other times.It doesnt regrow for me anymore.I remember back then having so much hope thinking my hairloss was cured and said time to go on with life....NOT!


I know, I understand you very well. But I think the only way we have is to stick to Rogaine Foam. In this way we can maintain our remaining hair. Also taking Fin may help too.After that I tested many other products like Xandrox with no success. I don't know what happens to scalp after using minoxidil for a long time. one of my friend had the same experience with periodically regrowing and shedding! you can share your story in this topic: Minoxidil doesn't work anymore
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Rogain Foam 5%: (1x daily)
Fin 1mg: 1x daily
Multivitamin: 1 cap daily



Date Posted: 09/20/2012 09:35 PM
Posted By: tmason85 (Regular Poster)

I just read this whole thread.

I am interested in your experience IP with stopping fin and then having massive regrowth 3-4 months later.

1. Do you think fin was working but you did not wait long enough for it to kick in?

2. The regrowth that you had, can you describe it? Did the individual follicles start coming in thin and progressively thicken? Could you feel the stubble?

What is interesting to me is that if it is indeed TE, which I believe it is, why does it take so long to resolve. It seems that the hairs that have been affected by even a minute amount of DHT are given a longer than normal telogen phase.

It will be curious to see what happens to you in 4 months to see if you get the same growth as you did before. I think patience is definitely necessary here as you flip-flop constantly with your hair's appearance. I have empathy for you; however, as a veteran, you should know better by now. Highlighting a post that you made in the beginning of november last year that you would stick to fin no matter what.

Whatever happens, you really need to stick it out with fin. I think it was a mistake to add DUT at this point though.



Date Posted: 09/20/2012 09:40 PM
Posted By: tmason85 (Regular Poster)

Originally posted by: Science

This thread has about 100k views...so what is the bottom line as far as what has been learned with this thread THAT SOMEONE CAN APPLY to their regimen specifically?



Please don't say it is to take the alleged big 3....with RU & anti inflam..everyone here is who knows what time it is, is already on that.



something more useful should come out of all this


Unfortunately there is nothing to learn out of this thread, other than reinforcing the well know notion that jumping on and off treatments will cause sheds. It really is unfortunate that IP did not stick to a treatment, even though he will argue that he has.



Date Posted: 09/20/2012 11:48 PM
Posted By: LawOfThelema (Accomplished Poster)

start, stop, start, stop, start, stop can only hurt your progress



Date Posted: 09/21/2012 07:36 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Originally posted by: tmason85

Originally posted by: Science



This thread has about 100k views...so what is the bottom line as far as what has been learned with this thread THAT SOMEONE CAN APPLY to their regimen specifically?







Please don't say it is to take the alleged big 3....with RU & anti inflam..everyone here is who knows what time it is, is already on that.







something more useful should come out of all this




Unfortunately there is nothing to learn out of this thread, other than reinforcing the well know notion that jumping on and off treatments will cause sheds. It really is unfortunate that IP did not stick to a treatment, even though he will argue that he has.



you have not read this tread....


Why do some of you fail to see that ive been on the same meds for 3 years now... it was only my first year where i did not stay on meds ?

Ive been on
minox since 2/2009- 3 years
Fin 10/11- 1 year
Ru on and off...

Thats it guys

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Treatments
-------------
Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 09/21/2012 08:13 PM
Posted By: gutted2 (Prolific Poster)

Originally posted by: irishpride86

Originally posted by: tmason85



Originally posted by: Science







This thread has about 100k views...so what is the bottom line as far as what has been learned with this thread THAT SOMEONE CAN APPLY to their regimen specifically?















Please don't say it is to take the alleged big 3....with RU & anti inflam..everyone here is who knows what time it is, is already on that.















something more useful should come out of all this








Unfortunately there is nothing to learn out of this thread, other than reinforcing the well know notion that jumping on and off treatments will cause sheds. It really is unfortunate that IP did not stick to a treatment, even though he will argue that he has.






you have not read this tread....





Why do some of you fail to see that ive been on the same meds for 3 years now... it was only my first year where i did not stay on meds ?



Ive been on

minox since 2/2009- 3 years

Fin 10/11- 1 year

Ru on and off...



Thats it guys


dude how much msm do you take? and have you been on it for the time you were on all of these treatments?



Date Posted: 09/22/2012 03:19 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Originally posted by: gutted2

Originally posted by: irishpride86



Originally posted by: tmason85







Originally posted by: Science















This thread has about 100k views...so what is the bottom line as far as what has been learned with this thread THAT SOMEONE CAN APPLY to their regimen specifically?































Please don't say it is to take the alleged big 3....with RU & anti inflam..everyone here is who knows what time it is, is already on that.































something more useful should come out of all this
















Unfortunately there is nothing to learn out of this thread, other than reinforcing the well know notion that jumping on and off treatments will cause sheds. It really is unfortunate that IP did not stick to a treatment, even though he will argue that he has.












you have not read this tread....











Why do some of you fail to see that ive been on the same meds for 3 years now... it was only my first year where i did not stay on meds ?







Ive been on



minox since 2/2009- 3 years



Fin 10/11- 1 year



Ru on and off...







Thats it guys




dude how much msm do you take? and have you been on it for the time you were on all of these treatments?


why ?

i did take 3,000 mg... ive been off this for 1 month now... why ?

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Treatments
-------------
Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 09/22/2012 04:08 PM
Posted By: tmason85 (Regular Poster)

Any sides from the dut?



Date Posted: 09/23/2012 07:18 AM
Posted By: gutted2 (Prolific Poster)






dude how much msm do you take? and have you been on it for the time you were on all of these treatments?





why ?



i did take 3,000 mg... ive been off this for 1 month now... why ?



have you been taking it for the duration youve been on all of these treatments? past 1/3 years consistently?



Date Posted: 09/23/2012 09:58 PM
Posted By: gunmaster (Accomplished Poster)

Originally posted by: irishpride86

Originally posted by: tmason85



Originally posted by: Science







This thread has about 100k views...so what is the bottom line as far as what has been learned with this thread THAT SOMEONE CAN APPLY to their regimen specifically?















Please don't say it is to take the alleged big 3....with RU & anti inflam..everyone here is who knows what time it is, is already on that.















something more useful should come out of all this








Unfortunately there is nothing to learn out of this thread, other than reinforcing the well know notion that jumping on and off treatments will cause sheds. It really is unfortunate that IP did not stick to a treatment, even though he will argue that he has.






you have not read this tread....





Why do some of you fail to see that ive been on the same meds for 3 years now... it was only my first year where i did not stay on meds ?



Ive been on

minox since 2/2009- 3 years

Fin 10/11- 1 year

Ru on and off...



Thats it guys


Everytime something goes wrong you stop it. You never give things a chance. Hair can take upto two years to respond. Saying fin sucks after not even a year of taking it seems pointless.

Ive seen your pics You have some kind of hairloss not mpb like the rest of us. Go bang a fat chick and chill out



Date Posted: 09/25/2012 08:34 AM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Gunmaster... Why must I keep repeating myself??


IVE BEEN ON FIN FOR 1 YEAR NOW NO BREAKS, MINOX 3 YEARS NO BREAKS , RU ON AND OFF FOR 3 YEARS..


That's it.... Why do you guys think I'm jumping on and off.. Again it was only the first year were it was on and off....

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Treatments
-------------
Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 11/05/2012 05:08 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Today marks 1 full year of non stop FIN usage...


11/5/12

1 year fin
3 years minox( foam/liquid)
Ru on and off ( been off since April 2012) ) want to start up on it..

Now to those that say I bounce around on treatments, this is simply not true.. it was just the first year it was like this....


Anyway since I'm marking my 1 year achievment on fin, thought I'd post some pics...enjoy


for the record.. no, I'm not naked...


And im now 26!!!


















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Treatments
-------------
Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 11/05/2012 05:12 PM
Posted By: Chandler Bing (Accomplished Poster)

Dude WTF?
You have a full head of hair.
Fin does work for you.

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--DISCLAIMER--
I am not actually Chandler Bing. Any humurous anecdotes, jokes, or advice that resembles the fictional character "Chandler Bing" is purely coincidental.



Date Posted: 11/05/2012 05:47 PM
Posted By: Swiftz99 (Accomplished Poster)

amazing results



Date Posted: 11/05/2012 09:58 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

I encourage all to veiw first page of this tread... Intresting stuff...


I

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Treatments
-------------
Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 11/06/2012 12:43 AM
Posted By: richhairman (Accomplished Poster)

your hairs look awesome!



Date Posted: 11/06/2012 01:39 AM
Posted By: FollicleHell (Prolific Poster)

Inspirational!

Did you think of quitting when you had sheds? I'm at that stage right now where I'm not sure whether I'd like to continue because of a bloated face with spots induced by min or fin sides. Never had spots before.

Thanks

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Proscar 1mg every day

Rogaine Foam(half a cup of foam)

Kirkland Minox(1ml)

Biotin tabs 5mg

Nizoral 2/3 times a week.

Prayers or cursing depending on growth or loss respectively.



Date Posted: 11/06/2012 04:13 AM
Posted By: dodgePT (Accomplished Poster)

WTF? Dude, you have a full head of hair, your hair is amazing, at least in the photos. Aren't you obsessing over this?

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Regimen:
[2.5mg finasteride] 04-18-2012
[minox ~4ml 5% x1] 02-14-2012
[keto 2% shampoo]
[FUE 3700 FU] 11-04-2013



for($hair=0; $hair<100000; $hair++) {
echo $hair;
}



Date Posted: 11/06/2012 09:38 AM
Posted By: Shears (Prolific Poster)

Holy crap man. You have a FULL head of hair and a perfect hairline. How are you as upset as you are right now? I'd give anything to have that hair and hairline.



Date Posted: 11/14/2012 07:29 AM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Starting back on kanes ru next week..


And my hairline is not that good...

















Hopefully ru will help thicken my hairline up..

Been on fin 1 year, minox 3 years.. will stay on these as I add ru back in...

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Treatments
-------------
Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 11/15/2012 01:15 PM
Posted By: hairshock (Accomplished Poster)

keep up the good stuff!

Soon your hairline will be joining your eyebrows for a chit chat.


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Sep '10 Fin 0.8-1mg/day
June '05 Niz 2% 3x week



Date Posted: 11/15/2012 01:46 PM
Posted By: Ted Stryker (Occasional Poster)

Jesus Shaughnessy don't they have dermatologists in Austin?



Date Posted: 11/15/2012 04:15 PM
Posted By: FIXME (Prolific Poster)

Outstanding results Irish. So fin did work for you? Only a few months ago you were despairing!

Maybe I should give it a go...



Date Posted: 11/24/2012 05:24 PM
Posted By: Science (Accomplished Poster)

The fact you tracked your progress this long and detailed stands for something that is for certain.

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this is for information purposes I am not a Dr. for hair loss my advice should not be considered medical/expert advice for such. The poster will not be liable for any direct, indirect, consequential, special, exemplary, or other damages arising therefrom.



Date Posted: 11/24/2012 07:38 PM
Posted By: ohmyhair (Prolific Poster)

Originally posted by: JWM

Dude, stop. Please--just stop.


hahahahahahahahahahaha.

-------------------------
I got my Rogain foam on amazon.
I got my avodart on pillsforall.com



Date Posted: 11/24/2012 07:42 PM
Posted By: ohmyhair (Prolific Poster)

Originally posted by: RichLocks

I think people should APPLAUD him for documenting the way he is.. i know he is going frantic with a lot of threads.. but at least he is sharing valuable information and very nice photos. I think it is AMAZING how your hair changes from month to month.. but that means its just a shed, and you are not losing these hairs permanently.



What i don't understand is.. if you thought the RU was the secret, why on earth ever stop that? I also would not get off the minox..


But with all the changes he have made, is really confusing to see what really works on him.

-------------------------
I got my Rogain foam on amazon.
I got my avodart on pillsforall.com



Date Posted: 11/25/2012 04:57 AM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Originally posted by: ohmyhair

Originally posted by: RichLocks



I think people should APPLAUD him for documenting the way he is.. i know he is going frantic with a lot of threads.. but at least he is sharing valuable information and very nice photos. I think it is AMAZING how your hair changes from month to month.. but that means its just a shed, and you are not losing these hairs permanently.







What i don't understand is.. if you thought the RU was the secret, why on earth ever stop that? I also would not get off the minox..




But with all the changes he have made, is really confusing to see what really works on him.


Ok..... you really need to read bro..


I HAVE BEEN UNCHANGED on these treatments..

Minox -3 years
Fin- OVER 1 YEAR
Ru- on and off...



That's it.....


not hard tro understand that, aside from my first year which was in 2008-2009, ive been REALLy steady on my treatments...

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Treatments
-------------
Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 11/25/2012 04:58 AM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Originally posted by: Science

The fact you tracked your progress this long and detailed stands for something that is for certain.


thank you sir, my goal is to inform others in depth how treatments can hurt or help.. and i do it with pics too

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Treatments
-------------
Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 11/25/2012 05:12 AM
Posted By: FIXME (Prolific Poster)

Irish dude, I think you are a legend.
Gives me real hope.

You have lost a lot of hair at various points and regrown to a bloody good head of hair.

So... When we do get decent treatments in the future there is hope for regrowth.

Cheers my man.



Date Posted: 11/26/2012 03:59 AM
Posted By: MikeYan1 (Accomplished Poster)

How much minox were you at, at various stages? Liquid/foam? Minox is the one thing that has been consistent in your regime.

Also are you on anything for your acne?



Date Posted: 11/26/2012 10:00 AM
Posted By: Science (Accomplished Poster)

his experiences with RU are very telling...

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this is for information purposes I am not a Dr. for hair loss my advice should not be considered medical/expert advice for such. The poster will not be liable for any direct, indirect, consequential, special, exemplary, or other damages arising therefrom.



Date Posted: 11/27/2012 09:05 PM
Posted By: Science (Accomplished Poster)

Originally posted by: irishpride86

Today marks 1 full year of non stop FIN usage...





11/5/12



1 year fin

3 years minox( foam/liquid)

Ru on and off ( been off since April 2012) ) want to start up on it..



Now to those that say I bounce around on treatments, this is simply not true.. it was just the first year it was like this....





Anyway since I'm marking my 1 year achievment on fin, thought I'd post some pics...enjoy





for the record.. no, I'm not naked...





And im now 26!!!



































These pictures say it all, wishing you all the success...

-------------------------
this is for information purposes I am not a Dr. for hair loss my advice should not be considered medical/expert advice for such. The poster will not be liable for any direct, indirect, consequential, special, exemplary, or other damages arising therefrom.



Date Posted: 03/09/2013 09:25 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

So.. im 17 months fin, 3 1/2 years minoxidil. And ru on snd off. I gotta say ever since ive been on fin, my hair has gotten worse. . Everyone said wait 1 year well im 17 months, and its causing more harm than good is it possible for fin to make my hair look bad for 2 years, then magically get better? Is It time to add dut, or will that make it worse. Any inputs? ?













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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 03/10/2013 01:31 AM
Posted By: richhairman (Accomplished Poster)

do you actually have mpb?



Date Posted: 03/10/2013 03:33 AM
Posted By: jazzb (Accomplished Poster)

Looks fine to me, unless off course the reason RU works better is because the dosage compared to Fin is much higher. As fair as I can see you have maintained well so it has worked .



Date Posted: 03/10/2013 03:34 PM
Posted By: bob44 (Occasional Poster)

Looking at the last picture, it looks like you are thinning out a little bit at the frontal hairline compared with the earlier pics. I would try dut if I were you.



Date Posted: 03/11/2013 03:14 AM
Posted By: padstar (Accomplished Poster)

Irish, smile!



Date Posted: 03/11/2013 12:49 PM
Posted By: gunmaster (Accomplished Poster)

He might have diffused hairloss. I doubt mpb.... but none the less looking good!



Date Posted: 03/12/2013 02:04 AM
Posted By: swissTemples (Accomplished Poster)

I can hardly see any loss man. Maybe a bit thin but that's all.



Date Posted: 03/12/2013 12:29 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)







In receding more and diffusion is worse. Look through all my pics and compare.

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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 03/12/2013 01:38 PM
Posted By: oofah (Accomplished Poster)

If u have time, it would be helpful to see a pic timeline.



Date Posted: 03/12/2013 01:59 PM
Posted By: jazzb (Accomplished Poster)

You need stick to RU then as propecia is too weak.



Date Posted: 03/12/2013 04:33 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Originally posted by: jazzb

You need stick to RU then as propecia is too weak.


Im on ru and oropecia, look at my signature.

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Treatments
-------------
Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 03/12/2013 04:34 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Originally posted by: oofah

If u have time, it would be helpful to see a pic timeline.


Its on first Page

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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 03/12/2013 06:21 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Before fin



2.5 on 1.25.fin



3.5 months in fin 1.25mg



5 months fin 1.25



6 months on fin 1.25




10 months fin 1.25





1 year fin 1.25








1 year , 7 months fin 1.25







Thoughts on progress etc.

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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture

Edited: 03/13/2013 at 11:10 PM by irishpride86



Date Posted: 03/13/2013 03:57 AM
Posted By: dodgePT (Accomplished Poster)

irish, I don't know what else to say, besides that your hair is doing great! You may have some miniaturization on the hairline, but I'm sure everyone will agree that it hasn't changed a bit during this last 1 and 1/2 years.
Finasteride IS working for you, congrats.

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Regimen:
[2.5mg finasteride] 04-18-2012
[minox ~4ml 5% x1] 02-14-2012
[keto 2% shampoo]
[FUE 3700 FU] 11-04-2013



for($hair=0; $hair<100000; $hair++) {
echo $hair;
}



Date Posted: 03/13/2013 06:14 AM
Posted By: jazzb (Accomplished Poster)

Try ditching it and sticking to RU only? I agree that before fin your hair looked worse at least it's slightly better.



Date Posted: 03/13/2013 08:53 PM
Posted By: dogs3 (Accomplished Poster)

after 17 months if you feel fin is doing more harm then good then I'd say get off of it. But I can't tell much of a difference, maybe your hair is slightly thinner. Put the same gel/wax stuff you have in your previous pics in your hair and see how it compares, all the recent fin pics you have are with dry hair.

Have you considered dropping fin and seeing how your hair responds?



Date Posted: 03/13/2013 11:09 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Dogs 3 im at month 17 now

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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 03/14/2013 03:32 PM
Posted By: jazzb (Accomplished Poster)

Maybe your going through shedding phases like you have done in the past.



Date Posted: 03/14/2013 04:02 PM
Posted By: DHTd (Accomplished Poster)

To me it looks like you suffer from TE.



Date Posted: 03/14/2013 06:05 PM
Posted By: dogs3 (Accomplished Poster)

i phrased that wrong. I meant to say that now that you're at 17 months maybe you should consider quitting. If you think fin is making things worse then stop and see what happens



Date Posted: 03/14/2013 07:52 PM
Posted By: bob44 (Occasional Poster)

I would get on dut if I were you. The extra dht that fin leaves behind is minaturizing your hairline. Don't wait until its too late. Also use foam twice a day. My dermatologist says use foam once a day for maintainence and twice a day for regrowth.



Date Posted: 03/15/2013 06:46 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Originally posted by: dogs3

i phrased that wrong. I meant to say that now that you're at 17 months maybe you should consider quitting. If you think fin is making things worse then stop and see what happens




Im confused, you are one of the people who said I needed to go on fin and that fin can not make your hairloss worse, you were against the fin unregulated theory.

Now ive done what you told me to do ive been on fin for 17 months, surprised I did not get results? ?

So how do you feel about what I said about fin and how you felt like it was right for me..

Clearly its not.. and your backtracking your steps, do I have that correct?

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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 03/15/2013 07:10 PM
Posted By: dogs3 (Accomplished Poster)

I said I thought it would work for you.

Personally, I cannot tell the difference between your current pics and your previous ones, put that gel in your hair like you have in your previous pics and slick your hair back so we can see your hair line, as it is today.

If it's gotten worse, I'm not backtracking, it means I was wrong. Fin works, but if it doesn't for you then I'm sorry. But I would be interested in seeing if your hair improved if you got off fin.



Date Posted: 03/16/2013 08:57 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Originally posted by: dogs3

I said I thought it would work for you.



Personally, I cannot tell the difference between your current pics and your previous ones, put that gel in your hair like you have in your previous pics and slick your hair back so we can see your hair line, as it is today.



If it's gotten worse, I'm not backtracking, it means I was wrong. Fin works, but if it doesn't for you then I'm sorry. But I would be interested in seeing if your hair improved if you got off fin.


Heres pics of paste in my hair, and dry pics..

These are the fairest pics i can get..


2008 NO TREATMENTS:











2010 : 8 month's ru58841, and 10 months minox foam

















1 year fin, 3 years minox, 3 years ru on anf off












Fin 1 year & 5 months 1.25mg , minox 3 1/2. Years, ru on and off 3 1/2 years





















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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture

Edited: 03/16/2013 at 10:16 PM by irishpride86


Date Posted: 03/16/2013 09:09 PM
Posted By: Pieman2005 (Accomplished Poster)

I applaud you for the constant updates and pictures, but it's tl;dr .. can you give me the short?

Are you getting results from FIN or not?

I mean it looks like you are but I swear I keep seeing you say it isn't

Personally, your hair looks good to me

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-.5mg fin daily 12/12 - 9/14
-1.25mg fin daily 9/14 - 12/15
-.5mg dut weekly since 12/15
-minox 5% 1x daily since 5/13



Date Posted: 03/16/2013 09:48 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

My thoughts. Im not sure. ...

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Treatments
-------------
Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 03/16/2013 10:34 PM
Posted By: Pieman2005 (Accomplished Poster)

Your hair looks good to me.. the fact it hasn't gotten worse may be a great sign as well

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-.5mg fin daily 12/12 - 9/14
-1.25mg fin daily 9/14 - 12/15
-.5mg dut weekly since 12/15
-minox 5% 1x daily since 5/13



Date Posted: 03/16/2013 10:45 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

My hairloss stopped when I was on ru and minox only. .

Then I added fin and my hair got worse a little after 17 months. .

Look at pics compared to no fin and then with fin. From 2010 to now 2013

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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 03/17/2013 07:33 AM
Posted By: Science (Accomplished Poster)

you are suffering from acne, and possibly swelling of nose alar region, looks like Rosacea, that appears to be the priority, particularly since you don't appear to be a teenager, so acne should be uncommon. The acne/rosacea issue looks to be of far greater immediate concern to address than your hair.

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this is for information purposes I am not a Dr. for hair loss my advice should not be considered medical/expert advice for such. The poster will not be liable for any direct, indirect, consequential, special, exemplary, or other damages arising therefrom.



Date Posted: 03/17/2013 08:40 AM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Science its thr fin its giving me acne

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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 03/17/2013 03:20 PM
Posted By: Science (Accomplished Poster)

you need to be working with a top dermatologist, search for best and go with them.. they should fix acne and a big perhaps(?) help with hair.

looking at nose and acne, I am thinking there is a strong androgen or dermatological issue that may not be confined to hair...particularly the hyperplasia/hypertrophy on lower third of nose overgrowth occurring it looks like in your sebum producing glands perhaps or otherwise there (Alar region)..... don't assume you just have standard MPB is my point..
get a medical professional opinion, since acne can be androgen related.. particularly since you're not a teenager.. I'd go with the best Dermatolgists in world that specialize in these issues, it will take some research but you'll avoid the scaring the acne can leave permanently on your face.. plus you'll get a proper diagnosis hopefully..

many do phone consults via skype etc..

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this is for information purposes I am not a Dr. for hair loss my advice should not be considered medical/expert advice for such. The poster will not be liable for any direct, indirect, consequential, special, exemplary, or other damages arising therefrom.

Edited: 03/17/2013 at 03:27 PM by Science



Date Posted: 03/17/2013 03:28 PM
Posted By: swissTemples (Accomplished Poster)

Fin increases test which can lead to acne. Nothing special here science.



Date Posted: 03/17/2013 03:38 PM
Posted By: Science (Accomplished Poster)

he still needs to treat it...it looks like cystic acne, that scars.. even some nodules perhaps?

overall fin should cause a decrease in potency of androgen as DHT is the more potent of the androgen, thus why it works for hair partially even while increasing the testos androgen as you point out in some instances. Now if acne is androgen mediated similarly it should actually slightly benefit acne one would assume as it is reducing the more potent DHT androgen relative to testos increase...this is with a complete assumption that 5AR 2 is relevant to acne as it is to hair follicle,.but even the other 5 AR's are decreased with fin

here is one study using fin to treat acne..http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17454167

my bet is you have a very severe androgen issue..particularly if past teen acne stage..
looking at nose hyperplasia/hypertrophy and severe cystic acne

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this is for information purposes I am not a Dr. for hair loss my advice should not be considered medical/expert advice for such. The poster will not be liable for any direct, indirect, consequential, special, exemplary, or other damages arising therefrom.



Date Posted: 03/17/2013 03:58 PM
Posted By: dogs3 (Accomplished Poster)

Irish your hair looks really good now. I dont see any recession at all and no thinning. You can tell better obviously but maybe your minds playing tricks on you?

Id say you're doing very well on fin. Your hair looks near perfect



Date Posted: 03/17/2013 08:26 PM
Posted By: Antihairloss Movement (Regular Poster)

Originally posted by: DHTd

To me it looks like you suffer from TE.

THIS is the answer.



Date Posted: 03/21/2013 05:21 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)



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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture

Edited: 03/21/2013 at 05:32 PM by irishpride86



Date Posted: 03/21/2013 05:23 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Is fin work ing at 17 months? Ir should I add dut or should I give fin more time

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Treatments
-------------
Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 03/21/2013 05:58 PM
Posted By: jazzb (Accomplished Poster)

I think it's working, but what about RU has that not been working together?



Date Posted: 03/21/2013 06:04 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Jazz ive been off and on ru.. im off now. . No money

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Treatments
-------------
Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 03/21/2013 07:16 PM
Posted By: Antihairloss Movement (Regular Poster)

Looks like fin is working, objectively speaking. Just not miraculously.



Date Posted: 03/22/2013 02:41 PM
Posted By: richhairman (Accomplished Poster)

slight improvement perhaps. Certainly looks no worse.



Date Posted: 04/17/2013 07:08 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Ok guys.. I have reached the supposedly milestone on fin. ..

18 months or 1 year 1/2 years on fin( teva 1.25 mg generic brand bought through walgreens or Walmart), 3 1/2 years on minox foam and liquid, and 3 years ru on and off

I dont think fin is doing nothing for me. Should I go on dut or give it more time to work?
Any other advice?




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Treatments
-------------
Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture

Edited: 04/17/2013 at 07:46 PM by irishpride86



Date Posted: 04/17/2013 07:56 PM
Posted By: Pieman2005 (Accomplished Poster)

Not everyone gets regrowth. Your hair hasn't gotten any worse, that could be all fin is doing for you..stopping hair loss

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-.5mg fin daily 12/12 - 9/14
-1.25mg fin daily 9/14 - 12/15
-.5mg dut weekly since 12/15
-minox 5% 1x daily since 5/13



Date Posted: 04/17/2013 09:34 PM
Posted By: SideShowBob (Accomplished Poster)

Irish,

First, let me say I think you've gotten very good regrowth, based
on you pictures, and are to be congratulated for not giving up.

Secondly, your pictorial documentation is excellent.

Thirdly, I would try boosting your dosage of fin up to .5 mgs a day,
taking half in the am and half at night. But I'd wait until you feel you're
slipping backwards. You seem to be doing well now. Go with it.

Even if you maintain, that's still huge, considering where you've come from.

I would also recommend not jumping on dut unless absolutely neccessary.

I made that mistake last year, against my better judgement, and I lost
ground on my hairline. Even thought I warned others against dut.

That's not to say it doesn't work. But why take the chance now?

Finally two questions? Where do you get your Fin? Does your doc prescribe
it to you?

And did you think ru really helped? I've never really seen documented evidence that it's worth the trouble.

Anyway, congrats and keep us up to date.

SSB



Date Posted: 04/18/2013 11:34 AM
Posted By: DecadeTwo (Accomplished Poster)

IP, good to see you again buddy.

You have a full head of hair still, I see.

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NW < 2 since 1999

The plural of 'anecdote' is not 'evidence'.
--Alan I. Leshner

Correlation does not imply causation.
--Logic

When you believe in things that you don't understand then you suffer. Superstition ain't the way.
--Stevie Wonder

I'm not an MD, and I'm not a hair loss expert.



Date Posted: 04/26/2013 03:13 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Originally posted by: DecadeTwo

IP, good to see you again buddy.



You have a full head of hair still, I see.




I updated my timeline with clearer photos for 18 months ( 1 year 6 months)

As you can see my temples are getting worse?? Ive been consistently on fin and minox. . Why is this occurring. .

Should I be on dut or be more consistent with ru58841.

Or has anyone suddenly gotten better with fin after 18 months???
































Thanks

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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 04/26/2013 03:20 PM
Posted By: Chandler Bing (Accomplished Poster)

Your temples haven't got worse.
Your hairline as a whole has improved IMO.

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--DISCLAIMER--
I am not actually Chandler Bing. Any humurous anecdotes, jokes, or advice that resembles the fictional character "Chandler Bing" is purely coincidental.



Date Posted: 04/26/2013 03:38 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Originally posted by: Chandler Bing

Your temples haven't got worse.

Your hairline as a whole has improved IMO.


Since replacing ru mostly for fin here is damage of my hairline. . You're wrong.. I still think I suffer from rh and te reactions on fin. Like I did in the past.. look at my first page for total timeline. .




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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 04/26/2013 03:41 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

DecadeTwo or dogs 3 thoughts???

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Treatments
-------------
Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 04/26/2013 04:18 PM
Posted By: richhairman (Accomplished Poster)

looks about the same to me, which is a win.



Date Posted: 04/26/2013 05:31 PM
Posted By: nohairequalsnogirls (Accomplished Poster)

Your hair is better now than 5 years ago, despite all your "massive shedding". Interesting



Date Posted: 04/26/2013 06:09 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Originally posted by: nohairequalsnogirls

Your hair is better now than 5 years ago, despite all your "massive shedding". Interesting


Did you see pages 27

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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 04/27/2013 12:55 AM
Posted By: parsh (Prolific Poster)

Originally posted by: irishpride86

Originally posted by: nohairequalsnogirls



Your hair is better now than 5 years ago, despite all your "massive shedding". Interesting




Did you see pages 27


It's hard to tell with the images coned down, but you may have lost very slightly.

If you remember, D2 and Bryan had a lazarus hair theory they batted back and forth a few years ago which may tie into your situation.



Date Posted: 04/27/2013 07:07 AM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Originally posted by: parsh

Originally posted by: irishpride86



Originally posted by: nohairequalsnogirls







Your hair is better now than 5 years ago, despite all your "massive shedding". Interesting








Did you see pages 27




It's hard to tell with the images coned down, but you may have lost very slightly.



If you remember, D2 and Bryan had a lazarus hair theory they batted back and forth a few years ago which may tie into your situation.



What was that?

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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 04/27/2013 07:35 AM
Posted By: DecadeTwo (Accomplished Poster)

It was actually ahadabans' idea. I find it pretty plausible sounding. He believes some of the return to baseline in the five year Propecia study could be explained by men losing regrown hair specifically. Perhaps some of the most miniaturized follicles that were regrown are just not maintainable with finasteride alone in the long-run.

A year or two after we had that conversation, the ten year fin study came out. 85% of men were still at or above baseline with fin alone. That's higher than I thought it would be, and it seems to support the idea that regrown hair is at least most of what's being lost most of the time.

IP, in your specific case your hair looks better to me than pre-fin. That is very good news for you, because the ten year study showed that men who saw regrowth in the first year sometimes continued to see regrowth beyond year five. The pictures are low-def, but I don't see a guy with AGA so congratulations. Note that the last set of pics is a horrible comparison. The after pic is extremely overexposed, and your scalp looks like it's shining.

Stop the madness. Just keep doing what you're doing and forget about it. Check back in ten years and see if you're in the 85% who have as much or more hair than when you started.

You're a reassurance junkie. I'm not giving you any more of your crack. That was the last hit you're gonna get from me. You need rehab.



-------------------------
NW < 2 since 1999

The plural of 'anecdote' is not 'evidence'.
--Alan I. Leshner

Correlation does not imply causation.
--Logic

When you believe in things that you don't understand then you suffer. Superstition ain't the way.
--Stevie Wonder

I'm not an MD, and I'm not a hair loss expert.

Edited: 04/27/2013 at 07:49 AM by DecadeTwo



Date Posted: 04/27/2013 08:20 AM
Posted By: z99x (Accomplished Poster)

Doesn't IP have a good head of hair? I am in a lot worse shape than him and I don't even think the general public knows I am balding.

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Disclaimer - I am not a physician or an expert and my advice should not be considered medical/expert advice. - If you follow my opinions and/or advice you do so at your own risk.



Date Posted: 04/27/2013 08:39 AM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

D2..

Thanks for your input

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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 04/27/2013 03:53 PM
Posted By: dogs3 (Accomplished Poster)

I agree with d2, your hair looks slightly better now than pre fin, maybe about the same. But if you're improving or staying the same as the years go by that means your doing well. Just keep doing what your doing it looks good.



Date Posted: 05/21/2013 07:30 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)



19 months fin 1.25 generic, 3 years minoxidil, ru on and off (im getting some soon and ill remain more consistent on ru)

Have I gained hair on fin. . No. Im almost 2 years fin im disappointed. But im at baseline I guess im thankful for that..






But here my hair while on ru and minox only back in 2010




Im still not sure if fin is hurting or helping these day's


Im kinda lost on what to do.

If anyone wants to see earlier timeline look at 1st page of this tread.

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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 06/23/2013 01:05 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

20 month update on fin.

before I got on fin I was on minoxidil for two years prior and I was also ru doing this time off fin my hair got better I tried fin in 2008-2009 and I lost my hairline and my diffusion got worse then I got off fin and in my result improved people kept saying 8m crqzy fi. Can't does this despite my pics as proof and my hair would improve if I got back on fin they chatted and I was crazy as you can see in the picture above im worse off now again. I've given fin 20 months vs before was 9 months so people can't say I haven't given enough time. but compare the pic below to the first page timeline and you will see how fin always destroys me every time I'm on it.

don't just look at the pics but read the details the pics.






compare the above pic to the first page if your too lazy to click on the first page there's a link to it here :

http://www.hairlosshelp.com/fo...=90749&highlight_key=y

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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 06/24/2013 07:20 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Ok, im not gonna update this until late October. Which will be 2 years fin, 4 years minox, 3 1/2 years ru ( on and off on ru) but on ru for good now.

See Yah then.

We shall see If the 2 year mark myth on fin getting good results is true.

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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 07/23/2013 01:17 AM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)




1 yr 8 mo. Fin (21 mo.), 3.75 years minox, 3.75 years ru (on and off)

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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture

Edited: 07/23/2013 at 01:28 AM by irishpride86



Date Posted: 07/23/2013 02:19 AM
Posted By: secrethero89 (Prolific Poster)

Hello irish your story looks like me..Are you still taking Fin and why do you use that much RU? I use 50mg/day



Date Posted: 07/23/2013 04:29 AM
Posted By: jazzb (Accomplished Poster)

Have you though about adding keto shampoo? Seriously I had better success on fin with keto shampoo daily then fin alone.



Date Posted: 07/23/2013 06:46 AM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Originally posted by: secrethero89

Hello irish your story looks like me..Are you still taking Fin and why do you use that much RU? I use 50mg/day


Can you not read. . Re read my last post

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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 07/23/2013 04:51 PM
Posted By: marklc2004 (Accomplished Poster)

I would add natural stuff to your regimen. Indian oils , sesa oil ,etc,



Date Posted: 07/23/2013 05:30 PM
Posted By: Chandler Bing (Accomplished Poster)

All I see in that slideshow of pics (timeline/fin) is slight improvement to what was an already pretty decent hairline.

Anyone pulling a hairline back and flashing a camera on it will show scalp in places. Just like people with center-partings have what appears to be a bald streak running down the center of their scalp. It's just where the hair has been parted.

Still, I only see improvements and a hairline as good as my 12 year old kid.

-------------------------
--DISCLAIMER--
I am not actually Chandler Bing. Any humurous anecdotes, jokes, or advice that resembles the fictional character "Chandler Bing" is purely coincidental.



Date Posted: 07/23/2013 06:33 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Well. I guess im maintenance. Thanks for inputs

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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 08/31/2013 10:20 AM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Fin 22 months
Minox 3 years
Ru on and off 3 years.


My temples are becoming diffused. Hairline moving back. .. not sure what to adds
To help.

They day wait 2 years for fin... I'm 2 months away from 2 years. . Fin has done nothing to help.

Im going to add back in nizoral shampoo, topical spiro, and be more consistent with ru usage. . Other then that. . After 2 year's. . Should I add dut?

Go to first page to see where I started back in Dec of 08.. I've been at this now for 5 years Almost. . Yes I'm a wise old man now. . And im 27.




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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 08/31/2013 11:12 AM
Posted By: richhairman (Accomplished Poster)

your next measure should be to see an optician



Date Posted: 09/01/2013 01:24 AM
Posted By: inb4regrowth (Accomplished Poster)

secrethero89,
Have you improved since stopping fin?
I am afraid that my situation may be the same as yours and Irish pride's. I had a great regrow first 3 months on fin (Jan 2013-April 2013), but then massive shed has started (end of April). It still haven't ended, my hair gets worse and worse every month. It looks thinner and all hair shafts that I shed are thinner down to the follicle. Since April I lost a lot density on the back of my head as well- it has never been like that. Never.

My theory is that first 3 months fin wasn't working (it needs some time to kick in) and minox gave me a great regrowth. But after April fin has finally kicked in and I lost huge amount of hair since then.

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Ebastine 10mg 1xED against itch, multivitamin, omega3.
Rogaine (trying to keep it 2xED)
RU 150-200mg in 2ml pg/eth ED
Dermovat (Clobetasol Propionate liquid)
Regenepure DR
Light 0.5mm dermarolling EOD



Date Posted: 09/01/2013 03:35 AM
Posted By: toppikk (Prolific Poster)

bump for jigga (sorry couldn't resist)



Date Posted: 09/01/2013 08:32 AM
Posted By: JWM (Accomplished Poster)

Originally posted by: toppikk

bump for jigga (sorry couldn't resist)


LOL



Date Posted: 09/01/2013 10:39 AM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Thanks for inputs

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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 11/17/2013 03:06 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

2 year fin update

2 years fin, 4 years minox, 4 years ru (on and off)

I think I'm a veteran now, and been constant, don't you guys think ?

Not sure what to think about fin as 2 years



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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 11/17/2013 05:46 PM
Posted By: richhairman (Accomplished Poster)

looks better or at least no worse. What do u think? do u have dandruff and an itchy scalp?



Date Posted: 01/26/2014 02:02 PM
Posted By: delavil27 (Occasional Poster)

news??



Date Posted: 01/29/2014 02:18 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Update. .

Been fighting hairloss since dec 2008.. wow 6 years..

Anyway ive been on dut 0.5 for 1 month now using generic dutas. 2× a week in addition to my fin usage.

Ive dropped ru last month, using topical s5 cream in its place.

My treatments are as follows:

Rogaine foam 1x day 2 cap fulls- 8/09
Minox liquid 1x night 3 ml -6/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg daily (walgreens)-10/11
Dutus DUT 0.5 2x week- 12/13
spiro s5 cream 12/13 EOD
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Vitamin C 3000mg
kanes Ru58841-170mg (at night 70% ethanol, 30% pg 4ml solution)-10/09, STOPPED IN DEC 2013



Heres some updated pics. ..





































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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture

Edited: 01/29/2014 at 02:33 PM by irishpride86



Date Posted: 01/29/2014 02:55 PM
Posted By: richhairman (Accomplished Poster)

I don't think it looks too bad. What do you think? does anyone say anything about your hair? do you get any itch?



Date Posted: 01/29/2014 03:04 PM
Posted By: toppikk (Prolific Poster)

I honestly think your hair looks good.

Why did you drop RU?



Date Posted: 01/29/2014 03:06 PM
Posted By: secrethero89 (Prolific Poster)

Originally posted by: inb4regrowth

secrethero89,

Have you improved since stopping fin?

I am afraid that my situation may be the same as yours and Irish pride's. I had a great regrow first 3 months on fin (Jan 2013-April 2013), but then massive shed has started (end of April). It still haven't ended, my hair gets worse and worse every month. It looks thinner and all hair shafts that I shed are thinner down to the follicle. Since April I lost a lot density on the back of my head as well- it has never been like that. Never.



My theory is that first 3 months fin wasn't working (it needs some time to kick in) and minox gave me a great regrowth. But after April fin has finally kicked in and I lost huge amount of hair since then.


Hair stayed the same after stopping fin.. My biggest mistake is Dutasteride. It killed my hairline



Date Posted: 01/29/2014 08:49 PM
Posted By: dogs3 (Accomplished Poster)

looks really good, dut is solid stuff. Hopefully it keeps maintaining or improving



Date Posted: 01/30/2014 01:58 AM
Posted By: jazzb (Accomplished Poster)

Looks perfect.



Date Posted: 01/30/2014 07:32 AM
Posted By: richhairman (Accomplished Poster)

Originally posted by: dogs3

looks really good, dut is solid stuff. Hopefully it keeps maintaining or improving


hasn't with me



Date Posted: 01/30/2014 10:27 AM
Posted By: JWM (Accomplished Poster)

Looks damn good, Irish!!! Stick with it.



Date Posted: 02/05/2014 10:58 AM
Posted By: powerhouse (Regular Poster)

Hey awsome results Irish can you tell me why you dropped ru58841 for topical spiro? And how is it working i cant decide between the two. Thanks Buddy



Date Posted: 02/05/2014 01:25 PM
Posted By: goldbondmafia (Prolific Poster)

Irish,

My hair is similar to you're original pics, mainly just slight recession/thinning behind the temples. Ive been on fin for 8 months now and nizoral 2% and have yet to add minox. Which product do you think has been the most helpful to fight hair loss for you? Or is it a combo ?

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26yrs old - NW2
-Fin 1.25mg ED 6/10/13
-Rogaine Foam in PM 6/17/14 (switched to 2x/day 6/23/15)
-Nizoral 2% 1x/week 2011
-DUT 0.5mg every Sunday 6/14/15 (switched to 2x/week 6/22/16)

-Rogaine Minoxidil in PM - 4/13/15- 6/23/15



Date Posted: 02/05/2014 01:27 PM
Posted By: medosin (Prolific Poster)

Excellent results! Keep up the good fight, Irish!

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1.25 mg American Finasteride ED.
1.5 OwnDoc Dermastamp 1x week
Lipogaine Big 3 and Tea Tree Oil Castile Shampoo



Date Posted: 02/05/2014 09:22 PM
Posted By: SideShowBob (Accomplished Poster)

Irish,

Great job of documenting your progress.

1. Do you think the minox foam is better than the liquid in terms of results?

2. I assume you apply the foam in the am? Doesn't it make your hair greasy
all day?

3. Did Dut. effect your hairline in a negitive way when you first went on it?

4. Do you think spiro cream is really worth the effort?

Again, great job. Congrats.



Date Posted: 02/12/2014 07:53 AM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Originally posted by: goldbondmafia

Irish,



My hair is similar to you're original pics, mainly just slight recession/thinning behind the temples. Ive been on fin for 8 months now and nizoral 2% and have yet to add minox. Which product do you think has been the most helpful to fight hair loss for you? Or is it a combo ?


Minox. .. and so far dut seems too add extra kick to fin. ..

I say combo just to be safe

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Treatments
-------------
Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 02/12/2014 07:55 AM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Originally posted by: SideShowBob

Irish,



Great job of documenting your progress.



1. Do you think the minox foam is better than the liquid in terms of results?


I use both not sure... i use both to be on the safe side

2. I assume you apply the foam in the am? Doesn't it make your hair greasy

all day?

No... adds thicknesses



3. Did Dut. effect your hairline in a negitive way when you first went on it?

It's only Been 2 months on dut 2x a week.. i still take,fin everyday touch
.. so far dut has had no negative effects

4. Do you think spiro cream is really worth the effort?

To be honest not sure.. I'm not consistent with Spiro cream

Again, great job. Congrats.


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Treatments
-------------
Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 02/12/2014 08:19 AM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

so I'm now 2 months on dut for 2x a week, and fin every day Going on 2 years 3 months on fin, And Minox foam and liquid 5 years now on minox. . so far my hair is doing good that seems to be helping knock on wood..

here's some pics of my hair and took a couple pictures with me and my beautiful girlfriend and good angle of my hair


by the way I'll be 28 this year man I'm getting old

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[URL=http://s899.photobucket.com/user/irishpride1186/media/CAM01397.jpg.html][/URL]

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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture

Edited: 02/12/2014 at 08:53 AM by irishpride86



Date Posted: 02/12/2014 08:47 AM
Posted By: JWM (Accomplished Poster)

Fantastic. You've come a long way, man. Enjoy your hair



Date Posted: 02/12/2014 08:59 AM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Thanks...going to be very interesting to see how the dut Will effect my hair

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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 02/12/2014 09:28 AM
Posted By: richhairman (Accomplished Poster)

from those photos it looks like you don't have gaga.

Does your girlfriend no you're on all those drugs? what's she think?

You seem a lot happier now than you were a few months back.



Date Posted: 02/12/2014 09:31 AM
Posted By: Chandler Bing (Accomplished Poster)

Nice to see some pics of you in a context of enjoying life, and seemingly with a full head of hair.

How do you feel (physically) having added Dut to the regime?

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--DISCLAIMER--
I am not actually Chandler Bing. Any humurous anecdotes, jokes, or advice that resembles the fictional character "Chandler Bing" is purely coincidental.



Date Posted: 02/12/2014 09:42 AM
Posted By: Biffy (Prolific Poster)

You don't need DUT, but something for your BDD and OCD.

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TOPICALS
Adenosine
Stemox
Castor oil
INTERNALS
Curcumin
Iodine
Krill Oil



Date Posted: 02/12/2014 09:57 AM
Posted By: ohlsson (Accomplished Poster)

Originally posted by: Biffy

You don't need DUT, but something for your BDD and OCD.


I totally disagree, a few years ago Irish was losing hair, and pictures he posted over the few years showed his hair going up and down with treatment. Hes also provided one of the best topics with pictures showing his progress. Well done irish, we're proud of you.



Date Posted: 02/12/2014 10:16 AM
Posted By: JWM (Accomplished Poster)

While I agree Irish is a bit OCD, the guy was definitely losing hair. He's come a long way. Personally, I think he's a good minox responder, but Dut can only help.



Date Posted: 02/12/2014 10:18 AM
Posted By: Biffy (Prolific Poster)

I am not saying he wasn't loosing hair, but why DUT on top of FIN is beyond me - he clearly doesn't have aggressive hair loss. Also based on his dark puffy eyes from photos I would drop Minox.

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TOPICALS
Adenosine
Stemox
Castor oil
INTERNALS
Curcumin
Iodine
Krill Oil



Date Posted: 02/12/2014 10:19 AM
Posted By: kcchiefsfan (Regular Poster)

This is the best thread and success anywhere on the net



Date Posted: 02/12/2014 10:20 AM
Posted By: JWM (Accomplished Poster)

Originally posted by: Biffy

I am not saying he wasn't loosing hair, but why DUT on top of FIN is beyond me - he clearly doesn't have aggressive hair loss. Also based on his dark puffy eyes from photos I would drop Minox.


He's young and Irish. He probably enjoys his booze until the wee hours.



Date Posted: 02/12/2014 10:21 AM
Posted By: ohlsson (Accomplished Poster)

Originally posted by: Biffy

I am not saying he wasn't loosing hair, but why DUT on top of FIN is beyond me - he clearly doesn't have aggressive hair loss. Also based on his dark puffy eyes from photos I would drop Minox.


Maybe hes too afraid to drop fin completely? and how do you conclude his "puffy eyes' are from minoxidil and not a million other things?



Date Posted: 02/12/2014 10:26 AM
Posted By: richhairman (Accomplished Poster)

Originally posted by: Biffy

I am not saying he wasn't loosing hair, but why DUT on top of FIN is beyond me - he clearly doesn't have aggressive hair loss. Also based on his dark puffy eyes from photos I would drop Minox.


prevention is better than cure.

Adding dut can make a big differnce for some



Date Posted: 02/12/2014 10:29 AM
Posted By: ohlsson (Accomplished Poster)

Irish has one of the best heads of hair on this forum.



Date Posted: 02/12/2014 10:42 AM
Posted By: nend (Prolific Poster)

I think biotin causes the puffy eyes. I am on a lower dose than Irish, but ever since I have been on it I have had these symptoms and acne.



Date Posted: 02/12/2014 12:21 PM
Posted By: toppikk (Prolific Poster)

Irish, why did you have up RU?



Date Posted: 02/12/2014 12:46 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

hey guys if you look at my pictures before I started treatments i had small circles under my eyes I think its just simply from not enough sleep too many late nights doesn't really bug me that much not that bad as far as my acne goes recent pictures I posted I don't have that much I've learned to stay away from greasy food that's what causes acne and stress in regards to me dropping ru its because I'm simply using fin and that spiro cream I don't think I need ru at the moment...now you guys should look at my first page so you can see my ups and downs of treatments I've been fighting this hair loss thing since December of 2008 I think I've been pretty damn consistent and yes I do like my drinking enjoy these other recent photos..

again guys I'm 28 years old starting to get older this is why i added dut as well fin really wasn't giving me results may be maintaining but I don't feel like that is going to provide actual re growth results I'm only doing dut twice a week in addition to my daily fin usage... and I gave fin more than enough time to work 2 years and 3 months so I'm just adding dut to the arsenal




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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture

Edited: 02/12/2014 at 01:03 PM by irishpride86



Date Posted: 02/12/2014 12:57 PM
Posted By: COCKYKID (Regular Poster)

This is probably the most confusing thread I've seen ever in my life.

OK, so, fast forward to today. Propecia has given you success right? I thought you were getting TE or diffuse thinning because of the "hormonal imbalance".



Date Posted: 02/12/2014 03:17 PM
Posted By: RobertG (Accomplished Poster)

He s like look at me ive a girlfriend.. lol



Date Posted: 02/12/2014 03:25 PM
Posted By: Biffy (Prolific Poster)

Originally posted by: ohlsson

Originally posted by: Biffy



I am not saying he wasn't loosing hair, but why DUT on top of FIN is beyond me - he clearly doesn't have aggressive hair loss. Also based on his dark puffy eyes from photos I would drop Minox.




Maybe hes too afraid to drop fin completely? and how do you conclude his "puffy eyes' are from minoxidil and not a million other things?


Maybe because he is/was overdosing on Minoxidil. Don't fool yourself these sides are from Minoxidil and are 100% real, it's just that u need to stop to figure it out, but no one has the balls to stop. My eye lids are wrinkled/puffy/blue and fyi I am really aware of my body and healthy living.

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TOPICALS
Adenosine
Stemox
Castor oil
INTERNALS
Curcumin
Iodine
Krill Oil



Date Posted: 02/12/2014 03:30 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Minox does not bother me...


And Robert, glad you find it assuming. ..


Look I posted recent photos.. just happen they were head shots with my gf... simmer down buba, point I'm making is about my hair, not my gf...

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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 02/12/2014 03:59 PM
Posted By: ohlsson (Accomplished Poster)

Originally posted by: Biffy

Originally posted by: ohlsson



Originally posted by: Biffy







I am not saying he wasn't loosing hair, but why DUT on top of FIN is beyond me - he clearly doesn't have aggressive hair loss. Also based on his dark puffy eyes from photos I would drop Minox.








Maybe hes too afraid to drop fin completely? and how do you conclude his "puffy eyes' are from minoxidil and not a million other things?




Maybe because he is/was overdosing on Minoxidil. Don't fool yourself these sides are from Minoxidil and are 100% real, it's just that u need to stop to figure it out, but no one has the balls to stop. My eye lids are wrinkled/puffy/blue and fyi I am really aware of my body and healthy living.


People who have claimed side effects from minoxidil have been given plenty of opportunities to post pictures, no one has. If your going to say something like that back it up.



Date Posted: 02/12/2014 04:51 PM
Posted By: kcchiefsfan (Regular Poster)

who gives a crap about puffy eyes his hair is awesome



Date Posted: 02/12/2014 06:31 PM
Posted By: hungrylikethewolf (Accomplished Poster)

Irish, I remember those days that you used to panic about your hair and whether the treatments were making things worse. You were very obsessive back then but look at you now. You are maturing and you have learned that all you needed was patience and hope. Glad to see you are happy now and found someone special to enjoy your life. Your hair looks great and your skin is finally clearing up. You are a true success story both emotionally and physically. We now have another Ry to replace your seat in the House of Paranoia and Anxiety



Date Posted: 02/12/2014 06:35 PM
Posted By: ohlsson (Accomplished Poster)

Originally posted by: hungrylikethewolf

Irish, I remember those days that you used to panic about your hair and whether the treatments were making things worse. You were very obsessive back then but look at you now. You are maturing and you have learned that all you needed was patience and hope. Glad to see you are happy now and found someone special to enjoy your life. Your hair looks great and your skin is finally clearing up. You are a true success story both emotionally and physically. We now have another Ry to replace your seat in the House of Paranoia and Anxiety[IMG][/IMG]


except that when Ryukil fixes his hairloss (If he does) he will disappear. Irish actually comes back and updates which is awesome.



Date Posted: 02/12/2014 06:50 PM
Posted By: hungrylikethewolf (Accomplished Poster)

Ohlsson, I don't think Ryukil's situation looks as promising since his hair loss is very aggressive for his age. Not only that but he does not want to stay on fin if he gets "erect nipples" and gyno.



Date Posted: 02/12/2014 07:03 PM
Posted By: ohlsson (Accomplished Poster)

Originally posted by: hungrylikethewolf

Ohlsson, I don't think Ryukil's situation looks as promising since his hair loss is very aggressive for his age. Not only that but he does not want to stay on fin if he gets "erect nipples" and gyno.


I agree. He actually does not know what he wants, he says he will start treatment, then he stops, then he wants to start again, starts talking about other treatments. Hes not a good candidate for hairloss drugs. He has far too many mental problems, and i dont mean that in a bad way. he proved this yesterday.



Date Posted: 04/30/2014 05:56 PM
Posted By: ohmanohno (Prolific Poster)

bump. Irish, final thoughts on fin and RU? Thinking about trying RU in minox (maybe lipogaine).



Date Posted: 05/02/2014 03:27 AM
Posted By: MaxyG (Prolific Poster)

Originally posted by: hairykrishna

Irishpride, it's almost as if the hairs in your MPB region have synchronized growth cycles. They're in anagen for a few months, and then all at once they're in telogen again. Otherwise, you appear to have a lot of healthy follicles on your head. The problem is they all decide to grow and shed hair in unison. I'm interested to see if the cycle repeats itself this year.


Hi Hairy, I was hoping you could conduct some chemical testing on a batch of Proscar I recently purchased. Sorry for posting here - I could not find a PM function on this site.



Date Posted: 05/02/2014 10:30 AM
Posted By: RedStaR (Prolific Poster)

Originally posted by: irishpride86

Minox does not bother me...





And Robert, glad you find it assuming. ..





Look I posted recent photos.. just happen they were head shots with my gf... simmer down buba, point I'm making is about my hair, not my gf...


You seem to have an exceptionally bad case of cystic acne.

Did you solve that problem?

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PhD in hair loss broscience

====================

- 1 mg EOD Finasteride PM
- 2% Ketoconazole 2x/week



Date Posted: 06/01/2014 11:55 AM
Posted By: robertc (Occasional Poster)

Hi Irish,
thank you for all your thorough posts and pictures. You are an inspiration to everyone with MPB and you deserve all the happiness in this world.

Can you please detail what your specific regimen is?
How do you apply your regimen?
What times do you apply your regimen?

Sorry for the long questions and thanks
God bless



Date Posted: 06/06/2014 01:39 PM
Posted By: goldbondmafia (Prolific Poster)

Sorry to bump this Irish but you use foam in the morning and liquid at night or do you use both foam/liquid combo in morning and again at night? Hair looks incredible in the latest pics specifically the hairline holy shiit

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26yrs old - NW2
-Fin 1.25mg ED 6/10/13
-Rogaine Foam in PM 6/17/14 (switched to 2x/day 6/23/15)
-Nizoral 2% 1x/week 2011
-DUT 0.5mg every Sunday 6/14/15 (switched to 2x/week 6/22/16)

-Rogaine Minoxidil in PM - 4/13/15- 6/23/15



Date Posted: 06/09/2014 10:33 AM
Posted By: JWM (Accomplished Poster)

He uses foam in the morning (a lot) and liquid at night. He also uses 1.25 mg of Fin a day, and 2 Dut pills a week.

Irish has come a looong way, and I'm thrilled for his result. Hope he's out enjoying life.



Date Posted: 06/09/2014 12:12 PM
Posted By: illuminated (Accomplished Poster)

Wow these are the best results I think I've ever seen

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I am a transgender female <3

Post Castration : January 2014
Elestrin Gel: 3 MG ED
Micronized Progesterone: 400 MG ED
Avodart: 0.5 MG ED
1% Nizoral: Stopped
HairMax Lasercomb: Stopped
Spirolactone: 100 MG everyday



Date Posted: 10/20/2014 11:46 AM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

okay guys time for an update I wish more people on this forum would do what I do with updating, so far I think my hair is maintaining maybe a little bit of lost here are some pictures in the treatments I still use below


5 years minox foam
3 years fin
5 years ru on and off
I want to add dut and stay on it along with the treatments I can't find any reliable source online so may have to see if a doctor will prescribe it to me.

hope everyone is good I think after six years of fighting hair loss I'm a veteran now




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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 10/20/2014 12:13 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

so I keep this thread to remind me where I came from and I am convinced that these treatments have at least giving me maintenance so overall I think it is a success still above baseline though!

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Treatments
-------------
Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 10/20/2014 12:44 PM
Posted By: KMF916 (Accomplished Poster)

Holy... I'm not sure how i missed this thread. Wish I would have seen it years ago because your hair has done almost exactly what mine has through the years, only now mine is not good. It makes me want to really give minox a good shot, even if I do get all puffy from it. Which is worse, puffy and hair or skinny and not good hair LOL.



Date Posted: 10/20/2014 05:29 PM
Posted By: inbrugge (Newbie)

Congrats. Just got on Topical fin and it seems to have stopped the hair loss. But I am having sides so we will see how it pans out.



Date Posted: 10/21/2014 07:15 AM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Bump for jugga.. Lol jk

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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 10/21/2014 07:52 AM
Posted By: murat (Accomplished Poster)

some people say there are no major regrowth cases with fin..Just checked your first pics and it looks like you've gained back 90% of your hair irish.How many more examples do we need to see..Treatments do work..they work really well if you're not 10 years late in the game..congrats irish.

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0.5 mg Dut



Date Posted: 10/21/2014 08:05 AM
Posted By: Pieman2005 (Accomplished Poster)

Originally posted by: irishpride86

so I keep this thread to remind me where I came from and I am convinced that these treatments have at least giving me maintenance so overall I think it is a success still above baseline though!


Finally you admit it We've been telling you your hair looks good for a while now

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-.5mg fin daily 12/12 - 9/14
-1.25mg fin daily 9/14 - 12/15
-.5mg dut weekly since 12/15
-minox 5% 1x daily since 5/13



Date Posted: 10/21/2014 08:59 AM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Originally posted by: murat

some people say there are no major regrowth cases with fin..Just checked your first pics and it looks like you've gained back 90% of your hair irish.How many more examples do we need to see..Treatments do work..they work really well if you're not 10 years late in the game..congrats irish.




My regrowth is not due to fin or ru, matentence, sure.. Minox is the regrowth.

My hair is better then baseline, bit my temples are worse but overall thickness is better. My best growth came in fall of 2009, and spring of 2010..them ups and downs..now it's matentence but slowly getting worse... I need to add dut back in 2x a week. Anyone know a good online source, i can't seem to find anything.

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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 10/21/2014 06:28 PM
Posted By: Mental Norman (Prolific Poster)

Why not take dut fulltime irish?



Date Posted: 10/21/2014 09:35 PM
Posted By: irishpride86 (Accomplished Poster)

Need to find out where to buy legit dut online without prescription.

for those just reading this reply look at my update on the previous page

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Treatments
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Rogaine foam-day5%(all over top of scalp 2 capfulls worth)-9/09
Minox liquid 5%-night-3/11
1% nizoral 2x week
FIN 1.25 mg(walgreens)-10/11
Biotin 5mg
Msm 2000mg
Ru58841 140 mg 4ml ethonal/pg mixture



Date Posted: 10/22/2014 01:21 PM
Posted By: Celco (Accomplished Poster)

A well documented and clear success story.

Nice result Irishpride! And great pictures too. You've improved alot from baseline.

I bought my dut online from inhouse btw.

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1.25mg Fin daily
Minox foam or liquid intermittently
Nizoral shampoo every 2-3 days
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We need something better than Fin approved that targets the scalp only.
We need much better hair growth stimulants.



Date Posted: 04/13/2015 08:02 PM
Posted By: goldbondmafia (Prolific Poster)

Irish,

Any recent update? Also, how many drops of minoxidil do you use for the hairline?

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26yrs old - NW2
-Fin 1.25mg ED 6/10/13
-Rogaine Foam in PM 6/17/14 (switched to 2x/day 6/23/15)
-Nizoral 2% 1x/week 2011
-DUT 0.5mg every Sunday 6/14/15 (switched to 2x/week 6/22/16)

-Rogaine Minoxidil in PM - 4/13/15- 6/23/15



Date Posted: 04/14/2015 05:51 PM
Posted By: Flipkens (Regular Poster)

IRISHPRIDE, MY ALL TIME FAVORITE poster on this website. And for many years I only read posts and never posted. I wish he would update again. His hair looked perfect in the 2014 photo though. He does not need this site anymore.



Date Posted: 04/15/2015 04:00 PM
Posted By: jazzb (Accomplished Poster)

He still retain his hair?