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 05/09/2015 10:21 AM
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Hi Newstart................I don't think anyone can tell you and yes the Valsalva manuever when lifting very heavy increases pressure extensively most especially in the head. It's quite normal for powerliters to experience broken blood vessels and I know when my bodyweight was heavier it happened quite often when benching. In fact I think benching is probably the worst offender.

From my own experience with fue 2 weeks seems to work well. But I can also gauge just how much pressure I am building up...............it all does become a risk that the patient takes and needs to assume responsibility for if things don't go well and I no longer bench heavy. I also train more martial arts than powerlifting and with that there is not as much of issue.

So far the minoxidil experiment is going well. I stopped using it about 8 years ago after having a bad reaction to the foam. I am using the liquid and it doesn't seem to be causing any issues.

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Stay away from doctors who perform mega sessions, have posts deleted, attack posters, sue patients & forum owners, use power drills or robots. I recommend fue with hand punches in the .70-.85 range. I consulted with dozens of clinics over the years and there was a recurring theme regarding FUE among some employees of those other clinics. I was told Bisanga was the man my research told me the same and my experience validated my own research.
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I can't use minoxidil either, I think I get systematic side effects that causes really low blood pressure.

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Originally posted by: topcat

Hi Newstart................I don't think anyone can tell you and yes the Valsalva manuever when lifting very heavy increases pressure extensively most especially in the head. It's quite normal for powerliters to experience broken blood vessels and I know when my bodyweight was heavier it happened quite often when benching. In fact I think benching is probably the worst offender.



From my own experience with fue 2 weeks seems to work well. But I can also gauge just how much pressure I am building up...............it all does become a risk that the patient takes and needs to assume responsibility for if things don't go well and I no longer bench heavy. I also train more martial arts than powerlifting and with that there is not as much of issue.



So far the minoxidil experiment is going well. I stopped using it about 8 years ago after having a bad reaction to the foam. I am using the liquid and it doesn't seem to be causing any issues.


Thanks for this Topcat. Hey i had no idea you replied as i didn't get a email alert. I got one today from the other thread. I am three weeks post op now. If i wait one more week (making it 4 weeks) in your personal opinion is there any risks if i get back into a traditional body building routine. Squats, dumbbell curls, dumbbell press etc etc?
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In my personal opinion with fue I think you will be fine. I didn't have a problem but of course you have to assume the responsibility just in case.

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Stay away from doctors who perform mega sessions, have posts deleted, attack posters, sue patients & forum owners, use power drills or robots. I recommend fue with hand punches in the .70-.85 range. I consulted with dozens of clinics over the years and there was a recurring theme regarding FUE among some employees of those other clinics. I was told Bisanga was the man my research told me the same and my experience validated my own research.
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Top, how are you doing? How have the beard grafts held up with your last repair? Di you notice any changes after all this time?
Hope all is well.
 04/29/2016 03:01 AM
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Hey Sean.......yes everything is good and the beard hair has held up very well. It's made a huge difference for me in being able to just style my hair and move on with my day.

I read your reply on another forum regarding tattoos. Know this..............many of these people will say whatever they have to say in order to keep the money coming in and for some just to keep their doors open. It's no different than how many other industries operate.

The longer you can post and just watch it all the better off you will be. Pick up on the cabals and use that as a red flag indicator. Lone players for example "Lorenzo" don't seem to play along with these same little cabals yet he is a good example of one of the best in the business along with a few others. This is what young guys need to pick up on. Stay away from the industry marketers.............one either sees or they do not see. Here is a quote from "War is a Racket" by Smedley Butler it applies just the same to the ht industry. Much of what you see going on with some of the forums can be construed as racketeering as you have a group of individuals working together often with just a wink and a nod.

War is just a racket. A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of people. Only a small inside group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few at the expense of the masses.

Prince is a good example outside of the ht industry of someone that didn't want to play the cabal's game. This is how it is sometimes most especially with those that have the most talent. It is also why you see those in industries like ht attack those that speak up. When they attack they are exposing their hand one only needs to understand what they are seeing.


A couple of recent reads that I would recommend that help raise awareness would be

"Propaganda" Bernays

"Hope and Tragedy 101" Plummer or the original by Quigley if you have the time and patience.

The ht procedure is very limited. When one understands the numbers of trying to often replace 20,000 fu with 4000 fu one then understands there is zero room for error.


What's interesting about the Quigley book is that his credentials are absolutely impeccable. It was published over 50 years ago while taking 20 years to write. It covers a tremendous amount of history and if one were to connect that history with observations of today one can start to see a pattern and the same applies to the ht business.

Someone bought out the original publisher and proceeded to destroy the printing plates but that didn't stop someone from black market printing it. This is the way the world often works. The same can be stated about forums in general, they can be co-opted just as non-profits are unknowingly co-opted.

I would suggest that if need repair or simply want to pursue hair transplantation to seek out a specialist who has body of work that shows fairly consistent results while also displaying integrity along the way. Chances are he is not tattooing heads, seeking press releases, or working with ht marketers.

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Stay away from doctors who perform mega sessions, have posts deleted, attack posters, sue patients & forum owners, use power drills or robots. I recommend fue with hand punches in the .70-.85 range. I consulted with dozens of clinics over the years and there was a recurring theme regarding FUE among some employees of those other clinics. I was told Bisanga was the man my research told me the same and my experience validated my own research.

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Top, im really glad the beard hair is holding up and you are able to style your hair. Youve been through so much and helped many guys out and continue to. Have you considered podcasts or anything for repair patients?

Yes, i did post about tattoos elswhere and I remember that long talk we had. You never know how certain compositions will react because titanium oxides and these other ingredients do enter the body. The FDA has been evaluating inks for treatments, including makeup, and these other compounds should be analyzed as well. Usually, when there are concerns, one can contact them and request evaluations, especially if these are treatment options given by businesses and professionals. I think I will sit out on SMP and see how it is played out and what folks report. Not worth jumping into something like that after the concerns expressed on that other thread.

General Butler couldnt have said it any better. Talking with more and more repair patients and those with unresolved issues, I am realizing a lot of things. Obviously, somethings are not forecasted on various social platforms. It is troubling but helps understand how things are played.

Ill take a look at those reads you mentioned. No doubt the HT procedure has limitations due to supply. It is unfortunate as a repair patient you start facing so many challenges. No doubt, repairs shouldbe done by those specialists that are well experienced in repairs. There is only a handful as some docs only want easy virgin scalps. I have some respect to those that take on challenges and even try to help some extreme lost causes pro bono. Its been hectic and rough but I really hope things are better soon.

Top, you spend a lot of time helping educate guys and I really hope you do something bigger. You ever swung by around the Upstate NY areas?

Best wishes.
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Hey Sean yes I'm working on a few things that are all tied together and it's all taking longer than I had thought but worth the effort. I have never been to NY but maybe one day and if that happens I will definitely let you know. I like meeting up with patients because we can look at what many of the guys in this industry do and laugh. Yes it's pathetic but we can still laugh about it.

If you can read books it absolutely does help one become more aware of what is going on. It does not have to be specifically on the ht industry. Most of what guys are reading online is created by marketers and when they have dozens and dozens of sock puppets going on at any one forum it becomes confusing for most and some simply fall into a trap unknowingly. Many of the sock puppets can also be created by the forums themselves. The fact is if there truly are only a handful of men with the skill and talent to perform the procedure while staying true to themselves and consistently doing the right thing then how do the rest make money? You see that's the problem the majority can't make money most especially the parasites which try to attach themselves to talent. Real talent can usually stand on it's own and that is a clue.

When robotics came out clinics would post how great the robust grafts were in response to warnings by others of the wound size. They will say whatever they have to say. Sure they will tell you how great the small particle size is with tattoo inks. At some point in time if you watch long enough as in years you will come to the conclusion that the majority are simply liars because that is the only way they can make money.

Why put in years of hard work performing fue by hand for example when you can simply get some young guy to come in and tattoo his head.

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Stay away from doctors who perform mega sessions, have posts deleted, attack posters, sue patients & forum owners, use power drills or robots. I recommend fue with hand punches in the .70-.85 range. I consulted with dozens of clinics over the years and there was a recurring theme regarding FUE among some employees of those other clinics. I was told Bisanga was the man my research told me the same and my experience validated my own research.

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 05/04/2016 06:13 AM
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Sean I read that the patient/translator Lorenzo will no longer be having more hair dot tattoos as he is now dealing with a recurrence of cancer although he does not attribute it to the hair dot tattoo and feels he spoke too quickly. I would suggest placing a burden on one's lymphatic system does in fact give cancer an open door. Of course those selling are not going to say that.............the liability would be tremendous.

I would also highly suggest that someone offer him the advice of ditching the mobile phone if he using one. Many have come forward for example Sheryl Crow and attribute their brain cancer to cell phone use. The information is out there one only need to research and dig deep enough unfortunately just as with the HT industry when money is being made hand over fist the truth often gets buried. Maybe you could make that suggestion to him since I cannot. It might be the difference between living and dying for a fellow human.................it matters.............take the time..............make the effort.

It's actually a very good example of how things work and why you should proceed slowly and take in all the information.

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Stay away from doctors who perform mega sessions, have posts deleted, attack posters, sue patients & forum owners, use power drills or robots. I recommend fue with hand punches in the .70-.85 range. I consulted with dozens of clinics over the years and there was a recurring theme regarding FUE among some employees of those other clinics. I was told Bisanga was the man my research told me the same and my experience validated my own research.

Edited: 05/07/2016 at 02:57 AM by topcat
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Sean what you really want to do is pick up on what people say and do over time. Doctors, those that represent doctors, those that run forums and it all needs to be done over a very long period of time. When you start to see patterns of threats, lawsuits, etc it's telling you something. People in general fail to consider that just because someone is nice to them how they treat others does not matter but it does when your turn comes maybe it just hasn't come for most. Once you start making proper observations you then need to consider the little cabals where many of the same ilk associate so keep an eye on the backslapping. Then you can start to figure out where you can safely go and even with all that there is no guarantee. Once you choose poorly it is very hard coming back due to the limitations of the procedure so one needs to drastically reduce their expectations or they will only dig a deeper hole.

Understand politics, understand proxy wars, etc then you will start to understand for most it's only about money/power. Many of these guys working in the industry are absolute geeks. You know the young guys that couldn't get the girl so they try to compensate later in life in other ways but they are still geeks. When you are young these concepts are foreign to you but they are important. This is all a big game for many and that can easily be seen once one steps back and those that play it are dishonest so I suggest staying far away from them. Pay attention to patients that do not work in the industry they are truly patient advocates in most cases.


Sean understand that when Kim Jul-un of N. Korea starts shooting his mouth off it's not about him, it's about those that control him..........those they he works for and the ht industry often works the same way. Pay attention to those names and cross them off your list as sources of reputable information. You can give me a call anytime and I will explain a few things to you that would help you move forward. Chances are you will not be able to achieve what you have in your mind but at least you will not dig a deeper hole. More than likely you will have to travel half way around the world because that is where the ethical/skilled doctors are located. Are they perfect.........no.........but the absolute best option. These doctors like Woods, Bisanga, Lorenzo, and a few others are not tattooing heads.............that's a clue and they don't take part in the short lists of these internet marketing bozos.

As I have stated in another thread.

All the showcase photos in the world do not change reality. The math is the math and math does not lie. If your mother places out a dish of 20 cookies and tells you not to touch them because they are for company you might get away with taking a few and rearranging the rest so that everything appears normal. But once you take 16 of those cookies you can sit there all day trying to rearrange the 4 left to make it appear like a full plate but I'm telling you she is going to know. My opinion from actual experience and observations over 3 decades tells me that 20% replacement is not going to make that plate look full even if you tattoo cookie images in between. Yes hair/head characteristics are going to matter but in the end it's all math.

Every person here has the ability to do simple math. Do the math first..................and rely on experts less.

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Stay away from doctors who perform mega sessions, have posts deleted, attack posters, sue patients & forum owners, use power drills or robots. I recommend fue with hand punches in the .70-.85 range. I consulted with dozens of clinics over the years and there was a recurring theme regarding FUE among some employees of those other clinics. I was told Bisanga was the man my research told me the same and my experience validated my own research.

Edited: 05/15/2016 at 05:06 AM by topcat
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This update is for me. After being able to find someone that was actually honest and was actually highly skilled I was motivated for several reasons to move forward with some of my own aspirations one of which required me to lose some weight. So far about 40 pounds but not quite where I would like to eventually be. This has all been done over the course of starting my repair which goes back at least 5 years now. The before photo below is as I started my repair. The after picture was taken about a week ago. Eventually I will be working with a photographer part of something bigger I am working towards. Taking action photos can be very difficult without the right equipment hence the quality of that after picture.

What I learned from my own hair transplant experience over 31 years now would be too much to write into a posting on an online forum. Most should probably pass on the procedure until they are older and wiser in the way the world works. Most of the guys on the forums that are younger can easily be misled by the marketers as the marketers simply play on their desperation which is fueled by social proof and based much on evolutionary psychology.

There are some very good people out there and Dr. Bisanga is one of them unfortunately the way most marketing works is we often hear about those that are less skilled but simply spend more money to present an illusion of skill. This is why some of the biggest outfits out there have been able to do the most damage long term. They simply spent more money many in media outlets such as television, radio, and magazines. The next level and a step down would be online and the same applies. Marketing does not equate to skill, only observation over time can give one a better clue into who is skilled and who is ethical.

The biggest positive from my life experience with hair transplantation is that I was able to become knowledgeable enough to move away from the orthodox medical system and not rely on this false expertise which is presented to the public. What I can tell you is that if you change your lifestyle and move towards consumption of foods that are healing to the body you will rarely need the service of the medical industry. You will also look healthier and in essence hair is simply a sign of health which is used as an indicator on a subconscious level as we are here to procreate. It's programmed into our DNA and nothing will stand in the way. Knowing this you can substitute that indicator of health with other indicators which can be very easy once you start getting at the truth.

From my own personal experience over 40 years now the truth when it comes to health and fitness comes down to food. Many of the foods which we believe are unhealthy can often be foods that are simply not profitable. It doesn't mean one can't make a living but they are not obscenely profitable. Whey would be a very good example that many have a false illusion about. If you look at the studies going back a quarter century they were based on whey that was not denatured. When you start taking raw whey and heating it up whether it's pasteurization or converting it into a powder it no longer has the same value except in increased profitably. Yes raw whey has value which I can purchase from my farmer but I prefer raw eggs as a way of raising glutathione levels while using the cholesterol as a healing agent. Comparing raw whey to powdered whey that sits on a shelf is like comparing fue with small hand punches by those skilled to other forms of extraction. It all sounds the same but sorry it's not. It's not just the hand wielding the tool it's the tool.



Many know that not only do consume eggs as a large part of my diet but I also raise chickens as a hobby. I can tell you the amount of work involved makes one better understand why procedures like FUE have been so suppressed over the years up until recently when the marketers simply no longer had a choice. The truth could no longer be suppressed. It's very hard work and most are looking to make easy money. Those that were doing the right thing years ago were actually doing the work. That is a big sign for those researching. Who was doing the work?

At 54 in a few weeks I have never felt better and I owe much of that to the ht industry. I never gave up just kept observing because observation over time is the only way to determine honesty as I slowly learned over the years. I am now able to sprint regularly without having to worry about a few strands of hair flapping in the wind and that is a huge positive for me. Over the last year as an experiment I moved away from my regular consumption of a dozen eggs/day over the last 15+ years and moved towards 2 dozen plus. The point being I do not believe I am going to have a heart attack nor do I believe my arteries are clogged. So basically I was doing this to make a point. But in order for one to understand this a tremendous amount of reading and experience is required. Most are simply looking for an easy answers as I was when I was younger and this is why we tend to rely on experts who will gladly lead us down the wrong road for a profit. Meanwhile many of my peers are on multiple medications, in poor health or in some cases have already passed away. They made the error of relying on an expert that was caught up in a system for profit and they were given answers that sounded like they were correct but unfortunately were not.


So how is it possible that I could consume so much cholesterol for such a long period of time going on almost 2 decades? Because the information I have stored on the hard drive of my brain is not marketing information disguised as real information. My information is based on research performed by Ph.d's in the field who are willing to go against the system and can only be gathered by reading dozens and dozens of books. Most are not going to do this because it's too much work so they just go with the information that they do have access to and which is also reinforced by social proof.


So is it possible that so many people are making so much money that they would like to continue seeing cholesterol demonized? Is it possible that cholesterol is actually a healing agent that shows up at the scene of inflammation? Is it possible that inflammation caused by other factors is the real issue? Is it possible if someone says something too truthful that would be a threat to the income stream they would be attacked? Sure anything is possible one must at least consider it and of course opinions that are so contrary are going to take many out their comfort zone. Because they then need to question what they believe which is a very slow process so of course it's natural for them to paint those with the contrary opinion as being negative.

Keeping this all in mind is it possible the ht industry works the same way? That those that speak too much truth are attacked by those that work in the industry. Is it possible that by listening to those that work in the industry day in and day out you start to believe what they say the same way those that fear cholesterol believe they need to be on prescription statins? Is it possible that information sources like forums work together with those trying to control what is being presented whom are marketers and that doctors are playing along with it all which can be viewed as marketing fraud? Sure anything is possible, one must at least consider it. If I had to sum it up in 3 words "observation over time" is a safer strategy.




I am very grateful that Dr. Bisanga agreed to take me on as a patient something he certainly did not need to do. The promotion was so helpful for me because I need a sense of being committed to something otherwise I could have simply kept waiting. It's part of my own goal attaining philosophy so the after picture of what came out of this which is more than hair would not be possible without him. Thank you.

There is a karma that comes with easy money and equally there is a karma that is associated with hard work. I'll choose the hard work and I'm happy there are doctors in ht that have chosen the same. In fact for young guys there is a karma is choosing anything too easy as in easy answers for hairloss. It might be better to give it some more thought before jumping into anything including medications.

Is all this important to me..........you bet your life. What I found most troubling about this industry is that most do not care what happens long term some even short term as long as they are making money. I could have easily become one of those guys living a life of shame under a hat but I simply made different choices. You can make those same choices while forgoing the procedure. I know patients that have not been to a wedding or a funeral for over 20 years simply because they could not wear a hat to conceal their hair transplant. Think long and hard and best to just observe all this. Watch what people say and do.

I do not have scars on my chest or my face from the extractions. Maybe it's the doctor and his tools, maybe it's me or maybe it's a combination of both. Regardless like Joe Buck recently stated it feels good to tell others your story and what is really going on.......it's cathartic.






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Stay away from doctors who perform mega sessions, have posts deleted, attack posters, sue patients & forum owners, use power drills or robots. I recommend fue with hand punches in the .70-.85 range. I consulted with dozens of clinics over the years and there was a recurring theme regarding FUE among some employees of those other clinics. I was told Bisanga was the man my research told me the same and my experience validated my own research.

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Top, it is always great to see and read your posts. You look fantastic and are in tip top shape. I am trying to follow such a diet and be healthier. That said, you really speak the truth. Forums really need active advocates like you that try to knock sense and help folks understand what goes on. Dr Bisanga did a good job on you and I am so glad the extraction sites do not show evidence of scarring.

It would be nice to get a radio/video thing going by actual patients (repair) to teach folks and educate them. Especially, by folks who have extensive physiological Surgical trauma. Ive been waiting for you to set up something and also may have a few folks that may be interested for some project. Maybe we can talk about it soon.
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Hey Sean, thank you for the comments and support. You are a patient so you understand how all this works. You now see what you could not see before becoming a patient and that is the way it is for most. It's now that they can easily see how the marketers are working the forums under the guise of being good guys.

Anyone following current events in politics can read information that is being exposed through e-mails and get a clearer picture of how it all that works too. There are people out that they have the ability to put on a face and fool the people into believing what they are saying but doing something different behind the scenes. The information on how all that works has been out there for decades but one has to actively research it and read books as opposed to listening to information which once again is basically marketing, the shaping of a person's beliefs. Most are not going to read tomes like "Tragedy & Hope" which go back well over 50 years and clearly spells out what many may be learning today.

There is a fairly clear moment where I actually started to make progress with fitness, performance, and health/nutrition. It was somewhere in my early 30's when a moment came where I stopped reading the information that was shaping my beliefs. Much of it being very low cost as in magazines. I read them all starting from around 12/13 with Bob Hoffman's "Strength & Health" then eventually kept adding to the list. I had no idea my brain was being programmed slowly over time. I was being sold something that was not true but it does become very easy to buy into it all. The information can almost become an addiction much like all the products they are selling which is all based on that same information. It's all marketing which can plainly be seen in hindsight. It's not free information it comes with a cost and that cost comes in the way you make decisions based on what you believe to be true. Much of it is based on just repeating the same message over and over again. For example Joe Weider "Trainer of Champions" for those who remember him. His image is based on information he presented and just kept repeating over and over but if you read the behind the scenes information that picture changes and it all changes simply with additional information.

I started making real progress when I started listening to those that were not marketers but exactly the opposite. Just average people like you and me who knew how the system operated and were able to explain it. Many of them were just small farmers. It was only then that I started making progress and started to understand. It works the same way with hair. Those that are skilled and ethical are the opposite of marketers. They just do the work and over time one can start to see the truth if they are paying attention only problem is they do not seek the limelight like marketers do so one needs to actively search for them. Marketers on the other hand work by constantly running their mouths trying to shape the beliefs of people so that is a big cue. Who is actually doing the work and who is just running their mouth?

Most of the money in ht can be made by parasiting off the work of others and that should be a clue for many. Who is doing the work and who is parasiting? If you look closely at any of the doctors in this field that are even worth going to they don't work with parasites and there is a reason for this. It goes against the values which got them to where they are today just as in many other fields. The work stands alone. So it all becomes a choice you either do the work or you try to work with others that work at trying to fool people.

Sean you can send me a note any time. The more information available for others to consider the better it is for them.

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Stay away from doctors who perform mega sessions, have posts deleted, attack posters, sue patients & forum owners, use power drills or robots. I recommend fue with hand punches in the .70-.85 range. I consulted with dozens of clinics over the years and there was a recurring theme regarding FUE among some employees of those other clinics. I was told Bisanga was the man my research told me the same and my experience validated my own research.
 10/25/2016 05:56 AM
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Sean what many fail to realize is that online sources can be much like other forms of media which are basically programming for marketing. I think where many become confused is with the term "Forum". In its' truest sense it's a place where people meet to speak and exchange ideas. When it becomes a place that is used my marketers to manipulate information along with the forum itself participating that definition no longer applies and that's the point those researching need to keep in mind. It's not necessarily a bunch of friendly guys just chatting it up.

Most should just be careful because many of these guys are all working together. When the message does not suit the need of the marketer they will attack the messenger similar to what you see happening in politics so when you see it understand what you are seeing. Just be aware is something to take away from it all. It's easy to believe what you are reading from these online marketers but one must consider that regardless of the image they project they are in reality not honest people.

When someone in the industry attacks a patient take notice and try to figure it out that's the easy part often times they are simply paid stooges. The smarter ones in the industry stay above the fray and use other methods something as simple as a whisper in someone's ear can work. This works because in a den of thieves no one can really be trusted. Sean knowing this all goes on would you have even considered having a procedure? Maybe and that't the problem hairloss sufferers become so desperate that at some point the industry doesn't even care they still believe they will do a robust business. This is why the only answer to all of this is observation over time.

Below is a quote from an article from Slate on Steve Warshak the marketer for Enzyte. It was revealed in an e-mail and unless one actually understood how it all worked those purchasing that product would not believe it. This is exactly how much of the ht industry works so I would suggest for those researching to try to connect with patients as opposed to the industry experts.

Berkeley's approach to marketing its products was perhaps best summed up by a February 2005 email from Warshak that explained the secrets of his advertising success. "GET 3 - 4 BOTTLES OF WINE...THEN SIT AROUND AND MAKE SHIT UP!!" he wrote. "THAT'S WHAT I DO...BUT WRITE IT ALL DOWN OR YOU'LL FORGET IT THE NEXT DAY."


The point of using smiling Bob in the Enzyte commercials was that he was
honest, light hearted and upstanding. That's the image they wanted to project does it sound familiar?


13 years ago you had guys saying they were doing hair multiplication and if you challenged it the forum banned you. You had guys out there telling you that they apply some magical powder to the donor area and it regenerates. You had guys out there telling you the zipper scar on the back of your head is the gold standard. You had guys out there telling you the very large robotic punch gave you robust grafts and that was a good thing. You have guys out there now telling you that they will tattoo dots on your head and everyone will think it's hair. What I'm saying is they are making shit up. They are now saying that fue can achieve comparable numbers to strip the exact opposite argument they used to sell the zipper. If you watch long enough it all becomes a little obvious.


The forum promoting the hair multiplication I'm sure brought in plenty of business. They even asked posters to send in a monetary donation to buy the guy doing the HM a present for being gracious enough to answer questions. So what I'm saying is don't let these guys make a fool of you because you feel a sense of desperation. I was well aware of all of this a very long time ago. It's to the benefit of those reading this to simply consider this information when researching.


So yes I agree with you Sean patients getting together to speak about their experiences while others can simply watch would really be great in fact that's the point of a forum to begin with. Many I believe get into the business with good intentions and then slowly over time they become as corrupted as those that drove them into trying to do something good. Happens all the time most people are simply too weak and temptation gets the best of them. They have no discipline and cave into the illusion of consumerism fueled by greed bringing them some sort of happiness.

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Stay away from doctors who perform mega sessions, have posts deleted, attack posters, sue patients & forum owners, use power drills or robots. I recommend fue with hand punches in the .70-.85 range. I consulted with dozens of clinics over the years and there was a recurring theme regarding FUE among some employees of those other clinics. I was told Bisanga was the man my research told me the same and my experience validated my own research.

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Sean if you ever decide to do something in the way of consumer advocacy keep this in mind. I posted a Nietzche quote below that kind of sums it up. What I have found through my own personal life experience is that social proof sometimes makes it very difficult for one to stay true to their values. It can be done but it takes a very strong sense of discipline. I worked in the night club business for well over 25 years and although the pressure was extreme at times I did not succumb to the social proof I was constantly surrounded by but it was not easy. The same applies to living a healthy active lifestyle in my 50's. The pressure from family and friends who do not share these same goals is always there. Sometimes it is very subtle but it is absolutely there if one is observing and it's actually one of the biggest reasons most fail in the way of diets etc they just don't understand what is happening. That pressure to conform to the same lifestyle others are living is a very strong form of social proof. If you are married and/or have children you may know that you all pretty much consume the same types of foods for example and if you have ever tried to stray from that in any way that might be considered too extreme the group brings you back into the fold.

This all equally applies to those that have gotten into trying to become consumer advocates and/or start online forums. Over time they let the group start to shape their behavior which is more in line with what the group is doing. They start attending these hair loss association meetings, going out for dinners and drinks, and knowing each other very well on a first name basis some even dating within the industry and it all slowly takes hold. They then become what drove them into it all in the first place. They simply do not have the discipline to stay above the fray and travel the higher road and this is very common. It's not easy to walk the road alone but sometimes that is what it takes. So take notice when you are observing the industry and ask are they part of a group? It's an important observation. It's better to look for those that seem to not have gotten too caught up in being part of the group. Some in the industry have for example put this forum down. Well maybe it's just not part of the group one can only determine that by observation. Do young guys consider this in their research? No and that is the difference between having a some life experience, you tend to take notice of these small details.

It's important to repeat many of these thoughts for young guys that don't get it. Others please simply pass on the postings. It's not meant for you as you may already have all this information.

The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself.
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So if we look at the fears confronting most losing their hair especially at a young age some of that fear is similar to those that actually work in the hair loss industry. Firstly for most young guys hair loss becomes a threat to their ability to procreate often on a subconscious level and is deeply wired into their DNA. But in essence it is simply a sign of health which is used by the opposite sex often as a signal. It's certainly not the be all end all and young guys just need to understand that and look for ways to get around it if there are no sensible options.

The second fear is not being part of the group or tribe. This too is wired into our DNA and it is a very strong signal used for survival. If you are not part of the group your survival is at stake at least on a deeper level. Many might feel they are no longer part of the group being their peers if they are the only one losing their hair.

This same fear applies to the hair transplant industry. If the group as a whole does not possess a high level of skill and if that same group places money before ethics which direction will the group tend to go and how many will follow? That's something young guys need to thoroughly understand. The same fears they are experiencing are the same many in the ht industry experience and why they mostly stick together. It becomes extremely difficult to sit at the table alone and not do what others are doing. It can be done but it is very, very difficult. I believe it's an important point to consider.

A possible suggestion for those that are not already in a position of having had a hair transplant is to simply change their group. Getting involved in MMA with a local gyms might work very well for you. The majority shave their head as part of it all..............you then easy fit into the group and your survival in no longer at stake. Much of this is all driven by evolutionary psychology so use it to your advantage.


Sean in a way you are very lucky as you had FUE. You have to remember many guys were misled over the years with the gold standard and now have zipper scars to contend with and for many it does become a problem as time passes. But FUE has been out for close to 20 years now so one needs to start asking why did this happen? Why was Dr. Woods attacked by many in the industry? Why was I banned from one forum for example as it was expressed to me in an e-mail that my promotion of FUE was dangerous advice over 7 years ago? Why do these marketers tend to repeat the same messages over and over? Is it a form a programming that benefits the bottom line and the group? One would need to ask if these marketers are deceptive why would anyone trust them even the doctors themselves. If someone can't be trusted then what would make me think that I could trust them? Am I someone special that they would be honest only with me? Are these doctors just as clueless as many of the prospective patients or is it that just don't care? If they don't care well then do they care about you? One needs to observe and constantly ask themselves questions. What is really going on and how can I make a better decision understanding how it all works.

I don't watch television but did see a recent news clip on youtube. What's interesting about the MSM newsperson is their ability to take the view of someone and change it to something that benefits them in some way by attacking the other person. As opposed to answering questions posed by the guest they tend to try and keep the guest on the defensive. It's actually a skill that can be honed over time but one then needs to ask themselves why in the world would someone even want this skill unless they have a need to be dishonest. You can see the same in the ht industry one must just understand what they are observing.

Sean another example of social proof as it applies to the forum can be something as simple as a poster coming onto this forum posting a question and then stating this forum seems to be dead. Then state they will go elsewhere for advice. This sets up social proof for some of the other readers over time and it becomes very possible that they slowly come to believe the same and look elsewhere for advice. Sean where did you obtain what you believe about hair transplantation? Did you find yourself where a great deal of conversation was taking place and who was really behind the conversation? Maybe go back to when you first started posting and start reading some of those replies. Do you see anything that stands out and were you slowly guided to make the decision you made?

If a doctor needs to attach themselves to marketers it sending you a clear signal so figure it out guys.

Are we we somehow suppose to believe those that were less than truthful while attacking others in the past are now somehow credible. That we are suppose to somehow dismiss everything that has transpired over the last 15-20 years alone. The answer to that question if you are the new guy is yes because you were not here. If you were the answer would be very different.

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Photobucket has changed their policy and hosted pictures to third party sites requires a fee so my pictures cannot be viewed. The problem I have with this in not the small fee but what feels like extortion to me of course others may disagree and consider it good business. Yes good business depending on how it is all conducted. This is the same choice many ht doctors are confronted with when they do not control their own content. They pay what seems to feel like extortion and are then easily manipulated. I'm stubborn I can't take part in extortion doesn't seem to be a good long term plan.

Much better to develop your own content and control it. Build it up over years and own it. I have several websites going that I could link to with all my content but then I would be a marketer looking to parasite off of someone's hard work for free. When that time comes I will pay if I want to advertise and not be a parasite.

I will put together a youtube video with the pictures from my repair just need a little time. This would be for those that are researching and want to see what is possible. It also shows the dangers of making one mistake which can easily create a situation where many more are made because one is in a weak position.

I do have a youtube channel I started but it's not really for ht content just for posting a few training videos. Most will have a hard time understanding those videos unless they understand hard style kung fu. Basically it depicts what is possible with the hand and shin when one dedicates the time which for me is a little over 35 years. Day in and day out without missing a beat. No excuses that it can't be done or it's not possible as those are all bullsh*t excuses much like what we have seen in the ht industry. Hard training is not easy but it does become easy for those that put in the time similar to those that can wield the small hand punch and become Masters. There are very few out there.

Here is a link to my deadlift video. I was able to walk into the gym with the sides of my head shaved and no signs of fue scarring there or on my face thanks to the small hand punch. With the shaved sides I fit right in as it's a MMA gym. What you can learn about this gym is that it is filled with young men that have shaved heads because they are on the mat rolling with some ji jitsu and all the hot women that take part in some of those same classes can't seem to get enough of them. What you can learn is that sometimes it's as simple as changing your group. Put hairloss in perspective and do what makes sense and don't fall for marketing. If you listen to these marketing geeks that work the ht forums for too long you will become a geek too so just stay aware. You do not want to become what they are............they are pathetic.

Everything I am able to do physically is directly due to the foods I consume. I consume zero supplements. No protein powders, pills or all the other bullsh*t the marketers are selling. I did that for 25 years and wasted both time and money. I didn't realize it was all marketing and about making money. I just couldn't see it for some reason. It must of been all the bullsh*t I was reading. Same goes for ht forums and the marketers that work them. Find a doctor with a rep and years of results along with years of behavior you can observe and that will be a step in the right direction. Or better yet just avoid the risk of having a procedure and get into the gym.

Anyone considering a hair transplant needs to absolutely meet people in person. Look at the work at a social distance and have a long conversation with the patients to not only hear about their experience but to judge their integrity. Anyone that would like to see my own head they are welcome any time in my home. You can meet my wife, neighbors, chickens, everyone and then judge for yourself. What's this guy about? What's his message and what does he know that has been gathered over 32 years and 18 years online. You can get some truths that you might need. But the industry doesn't want you to meet people that understand it all better..........and of course there are reasons.

The marketers work at portraying an image of themselves and that is exactly what it is a created image which is easy to buy into if you are feeling any desperation regarding hair loss. I deal in reality........just straight truth without all the razzle dazzle of marketing. Many don't like it and for many that will be a normal reaction............they might not be hearing what they want to hear. Plenty of other voices out there so maybe listen to them.


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I put together a short video slide show with the pictures since photobucket has changed their policy. Nothing fancy although I might try to add music and change the description. It depicts what is possible most especially for repair patients because I know many of them feel trapped. If you can wait it out then do that I believe better options are coming.

Most importantly look for doctors that have a very large body of work that was developed over years. Just ask them how long have you been doing it and how many cases. Now show me. Because I can tell you it's only a handful.

Also stay away from marketers. They are completely full of sh*t. They are parasites and their only skill is attaching themselves to a host.

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Stay away from doctors who perform mega sessions, have posts deleted, attack posters, sue patients & forum owners, use power drills or robots. I recommend fue with hand punches in the .70-.85 range. I consulted with dozens of clinics over the years and there was a recurring theme regarding FUE among some employees of those other clinics. I was told Bisanga was the man my research told me the same and my experience validated my own research.

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Hi Topcat,

I just wanted to tell you that your story has been very inspirational for me on a personal level. I can relate to a lot of the things you have gone through, and experiencing the very dark side of the hair transplant industry as much as I have.

Kudos to you for sharing your stories, and best of luck going forward brother.

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HH4E thank you and of course having spent 32 years observing the industry one does understand the game. If most young guys understood chances are they would rethink having a procedure. The consequences can be devastating.

Of course I am thankful to Dr. Bisanga but I'm also thankful to others I believe had integrity at certain levels and by all means no one is perfect including me. The "Woods procedure" could have easily have been lost were in not for the persistence of patients, forum owners like Farrel and some doctors in the states like Cole regardless if some think he is not a perfect person and I am one of them.

I think Dr. Woods was correct in his thinking of not being so open with his procedure after having had put 10 years into before making it more known. Many patients already know how the industry operates so to take someone else's idea and call it your own is quite common when you are in a den of thieves. Of course it could no longer be known as "The Woods" technique, simple just call it something else. Some of those that worked in the industry even commented that Dr. Woods had every right at the time to expect compensation after having put so many years into creating something new..........something potentially better most especially for repair patients. Yet many speak out of both sides of their mouth..............and that is a clue to what's up. Many will also say he should have shared all his hard work for free. If that's the case then everything should be free. All the lists should be free and any sponsorship of a forums should be free.......but it's not and trying to take away something from someone that created is of course wrong but that seems to be okay with this group as long as it's not them. My guess is that some doctors and forums owners were played off against each other. These guys seem to do a lot of ear whispering. The marketers way of divide and control and this is why doctors should control their own marketing.

Dr. Woods clearly stipulated: That everyone is a candidate for the WoodsTechnique and strip excision is definitely not done No Biopsy or test procedure is required. Unfortunately too many were making money with strip most especially the marketers so they were able to keep it all going but still the procedure we know as FUE survived. Thankfully Dr. Cole persisted too. Maybe it was a stubbornness but whatever it was at least someone here in the USA was performing it full time during the early days. Over time with a few doctors constantly producing top level results the marketers could no longer keep the lie going. For all those that had strip which they now regret I'm sorry if you feel you were lied to.

As always I would highly advise young guys to avoid this procedure. It's limited especially with FUE and you are dealing with scumbags and just because a person has a license doesn't mean that can't be a scumbag. If anything wait until your mid 30's before considering a procedure.

This post is from 2001 from another forum and it's why I like this forum. Observation over time tells me it's one of the better options for information. When it comes to the Internet and forums it's mostly marketers posting so readers need to understand that. They are having conversations with themselves trying to create social proof. You read it all and say to yourself............hmmmm...........I think I will do the same.............guess what? It's probably a bad idea. Meet people in person you have no choice otherwise the risk is too high.

To my knowledge Dr Campbell and myself are the only cosmetic surgeons in the world who operate without routine legal disclaimers and waivers For all the people out there who want to make a difference. We ask that you be vocal and spread the word and be part of this fight. We want everyone to know that it was through the journalistic integrity and courage of Farrel Manne that the truth is told. Farrel had the 'sheer guts' to present us on his website despite opposition.

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Stay away from doctors who perform mega sessions, have posts deleted, attack posters, sue patients & forum owners, use power drills or robots. I recommend fue with hand punches in the .70-.85 range. I consulted with dozens of clinics over the years and there was a recurring theme regarding FUE among some employees of those other clinics. I was told Bisanga was the man my research told me the same and my experience validated my own research.

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Sean I haven't seen your update and since you posted to my thread I hope you are doing well and have not ended up further down what can be for many a rat hole. Some important concepts for you and others to keep in mind is the procedure itself is very limited. Numbers like 5000 available follicular units from the donor area by way of FUE for a balding area that will see a loss of 20,000 follicular units long term is about average. That is about 25% coverage. Only so much density can be achieved surgically regardless of donor availability which is probably about 50% or less. So hammering the same area can be counter productive. The density very often does not increase in fact it could very well decrease especially when one is in the wrong hands.

I'm sure over time you have come to realize maybe you didn't have all the information to begin with which is very common so don't feel bad. It makes it difficult to sell a procedure sometimes for some if they reveal too much and it's easier to feed hope. In fact that is the whole concept behind con men. And when the limitations are revealed sometimes young guys just don't want to hear about it which works too for the marketer.

As stated previously marketers have posted that my social media is being monitored, my wife's website, along with my postings. That sounds like a form of intimidation to me. I also recently posted to a thread where a patient's full face photos were posted to a forum because this patient feels he was butchered. So in response a helpful poster decided to post a link to the photos. That also sounds like intimidation especially if one were to look at the history of the poster posting the link. Who is he and what is the motive? It's revealed when all their postings are read if someone is an astute observer and in my opinion its a marketer and not someone who innocently found himself on a hair loss forum researching but we really don't know for sure do we?

Then we have doctors being intimidated by things they might have said or written in the past. Are you starting to pick up on a pattern?

This is also why when a forum owner decides to hook up with one of the workers at a clinic and it is not disclosed to forum readers it makes it bad for not only him but the patient. It's like Arnold S banging the maid. Not a big deal unless as governor of CA you can now be compromised. Now you kind of have to tow the line unless of course you want to be exposed and this is why it's important for everyone to always be honest and when you do slip up just admit you made a mistake and the leash magically disappears. This way no one owns you.

I started posting to another forum and the amount of dislikes I have probably equals the amount of postings.............seems very odd. I bring up some doctors who are very ethical with the numbers and the message is very poorly received. The attacks are a form of intimidation too and one then would need to ask why would any doctor support this in any way by attaching their name to it. Having loads of information that might not be good advice is of no value in fact it can be detrimental and become a form of brain washing no different than one who unknowingly becomes a victim of a cult. So why would a doctor attach their name to it.

For those researching if all this goes on it is telling you something about the procedure so be very, very careful and maybe consider other options. Tech is moving very, very fast don't make a decision you might regret unless you are ready to face the consequences and/or understand how all this works.

HT has a place............understand the numbers and the difficulty of the procedure. Matching it all up so it looks seemless and natural is an art. If it was simple then everyone would be a master in a short time.

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Stay away from doctors who perform mega sessions, have posts deleted, attack posters, sue patients & forum owners, use power drills or robots. I recommend fue with hand punches in the .70-.85 range. I consulted with dozens of clinics over the years and there was a recurring theme regarding FUE among some employees of those other clinics. I was told Bisanga was the man my research told me the same and my experience validated my own research.

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