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Created On: 05/31/2016 09:42 PM
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 11/03/2016 06:17 AM
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Small procedures are actually what got many into very deep holes because they were not properly guided. Of course some deceived more then others but zero guidance. I could write several chapters on that issue alone but I will keep it short. I was working 78 hour week for a very long time which I suppose was a good lesson in learning to work even harder but unless you are prepared for all the consequences most just don't know of it's probably best to either wait or avoid the procedure.

What you see in the news today revealing information on how much of government works it's just a small taste and most are simply unaware and even some will deny it when it is presented to them. The same can be applied to the hair transplantation industry. This is what happens when you combine a lot of very easy money along with those that want to assume some type of power over it. Doctors will gladly give up some of their power for money and others will gladly take both.

The fact that much of what you see in the online world is carefully crafted and is not innocent conversation but deceptive marketing should be enough but most simply do not see it. As I have stated before when patients that speak too much truth are a threat they are simply attacked or banned. One only needs to observe it all over time. It then creates a situation where those that are researching are no longer safe. Those that are aware would say many in the industry have zero credibility and many of them are working together.

When I worked in the night club business there were 2 nearby clubs. Cassanova's and The Dynasty Club, one had metal detectors at the door and the other a uniformed officer. Each is sending a clear message to potential patrons. Yes they might feel safe seeing the metal detector at the door but what one should really be asking is why is there a metal detector at the front door..............lol................it's a false illusion of safety and in fact it should be a red flag. Young guys don't seem to see the red flags online so they are at risk even those that are considering small procedures. Having those that work in the HT industry attack patients is like having a metal detector.


Takingaction most young guys coming to these forums do not have the life experience to understand politics nor do they care which puts them in an even weaker position then their desperation. Maybe I can give them a quick example that will not cause to much of an uproar. In order for our current president to be where he is today 2 things needed to happen when he was running for state senate here in Illinois. He needed to win his primary which he was clearly losing until a story came out by a newspaper tying his opponent to a sex scandal. Once he got past that he was clearly behind in the general election until something similar happened and some court sealed documents were revealed by I believe it was the same newspaper causing the opponent to drop out of the race which brought in a carpetbagger that was clearly going to lose. The point here is this is the power of information and how it can be used for benefit of some while to the detriment of others.

The hair transplant industry works somewhat in this way as it's a fairly large den of thieves with enough information on each other that it keeps many in line. In order for this all to work you have to be dishonest to begin with as it does not work with honest people. With honest people they clearly need to make something up for example my own experience with being attacked. When everything is clearly explained their story goes out the window because it does not make sense and all the clues are there. The same can be said about many others that have been honest along the way others try to discredit them. So why are doctors working with these people?

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Stay away from doctors who perform mega sessions, have posts deleted, attack posters, sue patients & forum owners, use power drills or robots. I recommend fue with hand punches in the .70-.85 range. I consulted with dozens of clinics over the years and there was a recurring theme regarding FUE among some employees of those other clinics. I was told Bisanga was the man my research told me the same and my experience validated my own research.

Edited: 11/03/2016 at 07:47 AM by topcat
 09/11/2017 03:01 PM
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As simplistic as what I am about to say may seem, it is imperative to do your due diligence, and NOT jump into a procedure. Some clinics may offer meeting past patients up close and personal so that one can get an idea of what they may be able to expect going forward. Another important variable, that I can not emphatically state enough, is to research the practicing surgeon. With the internet evolving, and so much information being available throughout, one can learn quite a bit from researching.

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 09/13/2017 02:16 AM
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Hairhope4ever I would agree it's imperative one does their research and part of that research is using logic. Unfortunately the vast majority of the population rarely uses much logic out of habit and most especially those very young who are the most impulsive. All we can do is help point them in the right direction.

I like to tell young guys on average most will use 20,000 FU over their lifetime yet most only have 5000 fu available from their donor long term if they are lucky. That will give them 25% coverage if the transplanted hair stays strong but some of that too will be lost to DHT bringing that 25% down to a much lower number.

How do we know this to be true using logic? Look at any multi millionaire or billionaire. Joe Rogan, David Lee Roth, Silvio Berlusconi, Richard Simmons, Joe Biden, David Guest, Oliver Stone, Nicholas Cage etc. What percentage of coverage would you say any one of them has achieved long term?

Then we can look at any hair transplant doctor on the whole planet that is bald or balding and look at any one of those results or non results and ask does that meet my expectation? We then start dealing more with reality and less with emotion. Where are the doctors with the extremely dense results? Where are the doctors with their own showcase results? Where are the doctors with the hair tattoos? These are only a few of the questions one should be asking.

HH4E what you are saying is not simplistic it makes sense. Guys just need to know what to ask and what to look for. Much of the industry works on the principle of "omission neglect". That might be a new word for some but those researching need to understand it. It's not what you know it's what you don't know and what you don't know you don't know.

When one understands the math they can then begin to figure out what makes sense long term using logic and not so much on guidance from the industry.

Where young guys need to be especially careful is online. Many of those presenting situations and receiving advice of high numbers in the frontal zone are in fact not real posters but simply shills there to draw you in. Ask yourself after understanding the math does the advice even make any sense? Sometimes these same shills will comment on not looking like an old man when you are in your 20's. This technique is especially effective. It's equivalent to yelling to the guy up on the ledge you are a loser..........jump. So understand what you are reading and don't let it affect you on an emotional level.

Why don't we see doctors coming forward and explaining the math long term as it applies on average?

On another forum this same post would receive dozens of replies all filled with vitriol. One would need to then ask why? What exactly is going on here and who is involved?

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Stay away from doctors who perform mega sessions, have posts deleted, attack posters, sue patients & forum owners, use power drills or robots. I recommend fue with hand punches in the .70-.85 range. I consulted with dozens of clinics over the years and there was a recurring theme regarding FUE among some employees of those other clinics. I was told Bisanga was the man my research told me the same and my experience validated my own research.

Edited: 09/13/2017 at 05:16 AM by topcat
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