Heres an interestign story. Lately I have still had little sex drive and never sex dreams. As said I am trying to boost test again though.

So, last night an hour before I went to bed I done 4 sets of heavy deadlfits between 4-6 reps to failure with 1-3 minutes rest between each set. Then 1 set of 10 rep shrugs with the same weighted barbell, which was only 60kg (my bodyweight though)

I then took a milk and wehy protein shake, some fish oil and coconut, 60mg zing and 1000mg vitamin C and 3000mg korean ginseng (which in high doses makes me fall asleep) and went to bed. Fell asleep 30mins later?

My dreams were purely OTT sexual. I have not had sexual dreams like this for years.


IMO this proves that heavy compounds like deadlifts for sure cause the CNS to release a shtload of anabolic hormones. (or the post workout nutrition or a combination of both?)

I have used 3-4g ginseng recently to get to sleep anyway and always take zinc and vitamin C at nigh and never got dreams this horny.

So, sex dreams=sex hormones, but which hormones? DHT?

So, I dont know what to make copletely of this little experiment.

The heavy weightlifitg as increase intensity of sex dreams could be increasign hair loss mechanisms/hormones?

Any thoughts

Also I should add whenever I have done deadlift or squat days in the past I have always felt strong sexual urges within the next few hours.

No other exercises do this only heavy squats or deadlifts.

So, is this bad for hair loss? Though good for boosting hormones?

The test released during a workout is small compared to say in the morning when you first wake up. 2 years ago I was lifting heavy everyday multiple times a day and never lost a hair on my head. I still lift heavy and it has not accelerated it any more either. This is probably more genetics than anything.

If I'd do heavy deads before bed I wouldn't get to sleep for several hours.

 

 

funny after a weightlifting sessions I usually feel relaxed and often fatigued and sometimes take naps even during day.

Yeh but it seems specifically hevay squats or deadlifts must release a large amount of test.

Moving medium weights explosively also release more GH. Studies were done and I think only a small amount was released, and that was only for about the first 15-30 minutes, then it started to drop off. 

 

Try looking up deadlifts and growth hormone release. High intensity sprints give you the greatest g/h release and that is small compared to what is released during the night.

 

 

I Know but Im taking about testosterone not GH,,,though both are raised.

GH wont contirbute to the sexual urges, that will be mainly due to icnrease in testosterone and perhaps DHT levels?

I have heard many times that all reliable studies have shown no tendency for weight training to increase MPB at all. Frankly I find this pretty believable because it is all too easy for anyone to want an excuse not to bust their arses working out. Not to mention that an increase in testosterone wouldn't have an effect on DHT and has no known direct effect on hair.

Personally, I have found that upper body lifting doesn't make the testosterone surge anywhere near as much as weight training on my leg muscles. Doing substantial lifting with just my glutes and quads makes me ridiculously horny for several days after.

True second paragraph and good points.

I have lifted weights since I was 15. I only started to get hair thining when I went on a bulking diet for 2-3 years my late teens. That was when I ate a lot of sugar and other crap.

So, weightlifitng in itself is porb not a bad thing. I think diet manipulates hormones, inflammation, blood sugar levels, disease, etc...much more than exercise. though exercise can help health IMO it wont make up for a bad diet.

In fact exercise is healthy on so many levels and its even questionable if it effects hair loss at all so no point fearing it.

it definitely has an effect, i started weight lifting randomly for 2 weeks and my hair loss was insane, they just kept coming, when i do cardio on a bike i notice my hair loss is more stable, more test is more dht,

mmmm...I dont know if its possible to have immediat effects though?

I mean on libido/agression sure but I dont know if a surge in test woudl immediatley increase shedding?

Isnt the hair you lose today due to 6 mnths ago...etc....I mean the hair died long tiem ago and is only falling out now.

If you busted your ass on the weights JAn-Mar for example, then noticed loads of shedding that would be a btter indication?

Someone corret me if Im wrong?

ANd more test=more DHT? IT prob does,

Then again old people with low test go bald so it aitn just about total test but enymes to convert to DHT in scalp. If you aint got a lot of that enzyme it wont matter if you increase your test.

Thats why I think diet is more important thing


"Acne diet tip: By maintaining a higher intake of protein in relation
to carbohydrates you reduce the activity of 5 alpha reductase and thus
the formation of the more potent DHT. Avoid consuming carbohydrates
which total more than 60 to 70% of your diet and keep your protein
intake about 40 to 45%.''


So, it is possible when I bulke dup 18-21ish? and was eatign 60% carbs and lots of sugar I was producing more enzyme to convert test to DHT.

Now I eat low carb so even if I raise test it may not be getting converted to DHT in the scalp?

Absolutely. I experienced exactly the same after heavy weight training. Don't give a fu-k what anyone says it makes hair loss much worse, and when the training is stopped the hair loss and itching stops too.

how long did it take to notice hair loss from when you started training? What was your trainign like?

I lifted weights 5-7 days per week 1 hour full body 15-18 full hair..no special diet or weight gain. reps 8-15 moderate weights.

I lifted weights 3 days per split muscle groups 1 hour sessions 18-20...full hair..gained 20-30lbs..reps 8-1 heavy weights,

21-22....notice hair start to thin...doing as was doing 18-20


Now i try to lift 6-10 rep range as 1-5 meant to give biggest hormone blast...6-10 more muscle hypertophy.

But I like the hormonal feeling from heavy weights I just dont wanna speed up hair loss

also look at

jay cutler
arnie
stallone
jean claude can damme
dolph lundgren
bruce lee


many muscular dudes have great hair (though prob use aids/transplants now etc...)

Then again looking at old rockers

Mick Jagger
keith richards
jimmy page

etc...

would suggest to keeep your hair longer a non anabolic lifestyle is better?

Who knows?


I like the sexual/fitness/mental/anti-ageing benefits of weightlifting.

You know if lifting weights does keep your hormones elevated and high when yu reach old age youll regret giving up weights for your hair IMO...you see 30-40 year old dudes getting unfit, losing libido, energy, depression etc....if you keep liftign weights you wont get that.

Bro, Here's my take on this. Yes weightlifting with heavy weights will increase sex hormones, it also aids in circulation and gets the blood moving so thats another reason you get a hard on when doing it, because it is HEALTHY for you. I don't believe that hormones are solely responsible for sex drive, when you are healthy you will have a good sex drive. There have been times that I've done cardio, and got such a hard on during it that I had to stop it and finish myself off, simply because it gets the body and blood moving and is very healthy for you to do.



Are you on Propecia? If not get on it, and stop worrying about all this crap, seriously. It is very healthy to do cardio 5-6 times per week for at least 35 minutes, and it is very healthy for you to life heavy weights 3-4 times per week, period. Who gives a shit what effects it has on your hair, if you're going to lose it, you're going to lose it. All this crap wont stop or speed it up to any great degree, and you cant stop doing things in life that benefit your health and hormones because of hair loss, thats just stupid. Get on propecia if you can tolerate it, hit the gym hard, be healthy, and stop worrying about this crap. MPB sucks, but you are not going to control it by not working out heavy, and starving yourself, or eating a certain way. It may buy you a small amount of time, but it will catch up with you. You will slowly lose your hair anyways, and waste years of your life living with a shitty quality of life with no sex drive. Old men with low Testosterone levels, and high Estradiol levels still lose a lot of hair.



As far as diet, I do beleive that diet to some extent can effect the speed at which you lose your hair, but if you starve yourself, or eat a diet that kills your sex drive, its obviously not worth it. First of all eat all organic real whole foods, because the chemicals in our food will effect our sex drive, fertility, and hormones. Eat lots of raw organic fruits, vegetables, some nuts and seeds. If you can, get some raw organic goats milk, raw kefir, raw colostrum, raw butter, or raw cream, raw egg yolks,ect. Krill oil may be good too. organic coconut butter, raw cacao, maca, goji berries,ect. As for meat, I personally stay away from most meat, but am going to be experimenting with eating raw bison, organic grass fed. Some steamed lentils, or cooked quinoa, buckwheat, wild rice, are good too. This diet for me is very balanced and healthy. If you don't get enough calories period you will reduce hormones and sex drive, but I don't think it will impact hair so much, and its so not worth living miserable.



The bottom line is that you WANT high Testosterone levels, men with the higest Testosterone levels not only lived the longest, but were more resistant to all forms of illness. But you use Propecia to lower the DHT conversion. Get your estradiol levels checked and if you need to take something to control it. If you are one of the guys that loses his sex drive and quality of life lowering DHT, then simply you cant take the drug. It sucks but quality of life is most important. You need to look into hair transplants, then and save your money for them. Most people have enough donor to have good coverage from hairline to the 3rd of their scalp just before the crown, and then have a bit left over for the crown area, so the crown looks thinner. But I believe that if you catch your crown loss in time, that it can be maintained with topicals alone. There is Spectral DNC, Proxiphen, Prox-N, Spin Trap C, 5% Spiro, Minoxidil, Retin-A,ect. I think krill oil, MSM, and vitamin D3 are supposed to help aswell.




The bottom line is, you WANT to do the things that increase your sex drive and optimize/increase your hormones, because usually when a person has a good sex drive this means they are healthy. The chinese believe this too, and they are not stupid. If you don't tolerate propecia look into a series of hair transplants and topicals.



There isn't a trade off between lifting weights and hair loss, if you're prone to MPB you will still lose your hair sitting on the couch being lazy and unfit. Look at all the bald fat unfit guys. Then you will have two strikes against you, bald AND fat/unfit. The point of this all is, that you will still go bald no matter what you do, unless you get on some form of treatments.



I want to add that from my research any form of sugar will contribute to making any disease worse, and speeding up the aging process. Even organic berries, if you go over 15% sugar in your diet.

Edited: 07/31/2010 at 01:01 PM by stax

I have repeatedly tried this so i know for sure the weights are responsible.

After doing squats at 150kg , ten reps times 5 sets the itching starts the same night. It's that bad that it prevents me sleeping. Yet if i leave the weights alone it disappears and doesn't return until i commences weights again.

The hair loss isn't within the the same week but around a couple of weeks after, but the hair is coming only from where the intense itching occurred during training.

Now this pis-es me off, because i want to train and i can't. Losing my hair over training is not an option for me.

nice post

yeh it has been very depresng having no sex drive so that needs to be corrected 1st.

health and libido.


Sugar? yeh its bad news as far as my research. how much fruit I can eat per day is only thing I wonder about as thats the only carbs/sugar I eat.

Mmmm...your quite strong 150kg 10 rep squas..thin my max was like 90kg lol.



Maybe less sets/volume would not have as bad effect?

I'm on a diet with zero carbs, and i tell you that the itching and hair loss still occurs after weight training.