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Topic Title: Bee Pollen
Topic Summary: May cure MPB
Created On: 05/06/2010 10:07 AM
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 05/06/2010 10:07 AM
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Hi,

I've read somewhere that bee pollen also inhibits DHT, much like Saw Palmetto, but unlike Saw Palmetto it also increases testestorone. Bee Pollen is also said to get rid of excessive estrogen which would also imply that there is no gynecomastia risk.

Is saw palmetto known to reduce testestorone levels? If bee pollen increases testestorone levels but inhibits DHT would it be safe to assume that it doesn't cause gynecomastia and also prevents hair loss? Or would the increase in testestorone mean its bad for our hair?

Has anyone used bee pollen with satisfactory results or side effects?

What I'd like to know is, are nanboobs caused by low levels of DHT or testosterone? And if Bee Pollen lower DHT does it mean its safe?

What I'd like to know is there are so many things out there saying it lowers DHT, like Omega 3 supplements and grape seed extract. Is it true that Saw Palmetto lowers DHT the most? Could Bee Pollen be better than SP?

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Mike
 05/06/2010 10:55 AM
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Interesting post. Food for study.
 05/06/2010 11:09 AM
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Originally posted by: MikeGore

Is saw palmetto known to reduce testestorone levels?


I would think that since it is an androgen receptor blocker it would increase free T. I used it some years ago and was horney as hell when on it. I certainly didn't feel like my test was decreased.

Originally posted by: MikeGoreWhat I'd like to know is, are nanboobs caused by low levels of DHT or testosterone?


Manboobs are probably caused by the increase in estrogen seen with 5ar inhibitors and androgen receptor blockers.


I know nothing about bee pollen though, but I tend to think if it helped with mpb we would have heard. It more than likely is not the cure. Just being realistic.
























Edited: 05/06/2010 at 02:14 PM by Logan2
 05/06/2010 01:58 PM
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Here's something about estrogen:

We used to think that male-pattern baldness,/ on the top of the head/, is caused by a derivative of the male hormone called dihydrotestosterone. Recent research show that theory may be wrong and that male-pattern baldness may be caused by a combination of an infection and the female hormone, estrogen.

In the first study, French researchers report in the Journal of Dermatologic Treatment, that biopsies of the scalp in men with male-pattern baldness show signs of infection/ particularly a marked increase in the density of activated T cells and IgG antibody deposits. When men with male-pattern baldness rubbed an antibiotic cream on their balding heads for 10 months (piroctone olamine and triclosanon), biopsies showed that their T cells and IGG deposits disappeared and the rate of hair loss slowed down to normal. Another recent study in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences shows that the female hormone, estrogen, in mice puts hair into a resting stage that can prevent hair from growing/ and/ that giving hormones that block estrogen causes the hair to start growing again. If these studies can be duplicated by other researchers, the future treatment for male-pattern baldness may be to shampoo daily and then apply a special antibiotic cream to the scalp. I am sure that studies will start soon to see if a cream containing the anti-estrogen drug, tamoxifen, stops male-pattern baldness from progressing. More than 30 years ago, several studies showed that a cream containing another female hormone, called progesterone, slowed hair loss in male pattern baldness.

By Gabe Mirkin, M.D., for CBS Radio News

1) GE Pierard, C Pierardfranchimont, N Nikkelstassoudji, AF Nikkels, D Saintleger. Improvement in the inflammatory aspect of androgenetic alopecia. A pilot study with an antimicrobial lotion. Journal of Dermatological Treatment 7: 3 (SEP 1996): 153-157.

 05/06/2010 04:25 PM
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Thats why im thinking of using Keto 2% cream as well... I don't know what people think about that... but

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 05/06/2010 04:28 PM
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Bee Pollen. I haven't heard about Bee Pollen in years!
 05/06/2010 04:30 PM
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Also divine skin uses triclosan in there products... even the minox based products...

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 05/06/2010 04:34 PM
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Originally posted by: oofah Here's something about estrogen: We used to think that male-pattern baldness,/ on the top of the head/, is caused by a derivative of the male hormone called dihydrotestosterone. Recent research show that theory may be wrong and that male-pattern baldness may be caused by a combination of an infection and the female hormone, estrogen. In the first study, French researchers report in the Journal of Dermatologic Treatment, that biopsies of the scalp in men with male-pattern baldness show signs of infection/ particularly a marked increase in the density of activated T cells and IgG antibody deposits. When men with male-pattern baldness rubbed an antibiotic cream on their balding heads for 10 months (piroctone olamine and triclosanon), biopsies showed that their T cells and IGG deposits disappeared and the rate of hair loss slowed down to normal. Another recent study in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences shows that the female hormone, estrogen, in mice puts hair into a resting stage that can prevent hair from growing/ and/ that giving hormones that block estrogen causes the hair to start growing again. If these studies can be duplicated by other researchers, the future treatment for male-pattern baldness may be to shampoo daily and then apply a special antibiotic cream to the scalp. I am sure that studies will start soon to see if a cream containing the anti-estrogen drug, tamoxifen, stops male-pattern baldness from progressing. More than 30 years ago, several studies showed that a cream containing another female hormone, called progesterone, slowed hair loss in male pattern baldness. By Gabe Mirkin, M.D., for CBS Radio News 1) GE Pierard, C Pierardfranchimont, N Nikkelstassoudji, AF Nikkels, D Saintleger. Improvement in the inflammatory aspect of androgenetic alopecia. A pilot study with an antimicrobial lotion. Journal of Dermatological Treatment 7: 3 (SEP 1996): 153-157.
DHT & T suffocating the follicle could signal the body to send T lymphocytes and igg antibodies... I never was quite sure about the DHT myself... Something still baffles me about MPB! its pissing me off... I hope this RU thing isnt gonna be a waste and its an in*****tion!

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 05/06/2010 05:12 PM
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Here's another study using antibiotics for hairloss:
http://www.hairloss-research.org/antibiotics.html

If it were as simple as stopping or drastically slowing down the formation of DHT there wouldn't be 50 different hair loss forum and the constant posts about how fin or dut didn't do anything or made things worse.

I'm scheduled for a hair transplant which involves taking antibiotics so I'll get a chance (once again) to see if the itching and shedding stop.
 05/06/2010 05:16 PM
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Won't having half the male population of earth rubbing antibiotics on their balding heads make the antibiotics useless for other puproses in the long run?

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 05/06/2010 05:53 PM
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I do know that raw natural honey is a super food. Bacteria cannot grow in it. They found 3000 year old honey in a chamber in one of the Pyramids in Egypt and it was still pure and fine to eat!! That is some crazy stuff there.
 05/06/2010 11:03 PM
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Originally posted by: oofah Here's something about estrogen: We used to think that male-pattern baldness,/ on the top of the head/, is caused by a derivative of the male hormone called dihydrotestosterone. Recent research show that theory may be wrong and that male-pattern baldness may be caused by a combination of an infection and the female hormone, estrogen. In the first study, French researchers report in the Journal of Dermatologic Treatment, that biopsies of the scalp in men with male-pattern baldness show signs of infection/ particularly a marked increase in the density of activated T cells and IgG antibody deposits. When men with male-pattern baldness rubbed an antibiotic cream on their balding heads for 10 months (piroctone olamine and triclosanon), biopsies showed that their T cells and IGG deposits disappeared and the rate of hair loss slowed down to normal. Another recent study in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences shows that the female hormone, estrogen, in mice puts hair into a resting stage that can prevent hair from growing/ and/ that giving hormones that block estrogen causes the hair to start growing again. If these studies can be duplicated by other researchers, the future treatment for male-pattern baldness may be to shampoo daily and then apply a special antibiotic cream to the scalp. I am sure that studies will start soon to see if a cream containing the anti-estrogen drug, tamoxifen, stops male-pattern baldness from progressing. More than 30 years ago, several studies showed that a cream containing another female hormone, called progesterone, slowed hair loss in male pattern baldness. By Gabe Mirkin, M.D., for CBS Radio News 1) GE Pierard, C Pierardfranchimont, N Nikkelstassoudji, AF Nikkels, D Saintleger. Improvement in the inflammatory aspect of androgenetic alopecia. A pilot study with an antimicrobial lotion. Journal of Dermatological Treatment 7: 3 (SEP 1996): 153-157.

 

Estrogen is GOOD for hair.



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AM
- S5 Spiro Cream 5% w/ 1% Caffeine and .025% Retin-A

PM
- Same as AM

- Peppermint Shampoo
- Fin .5mg (EOD) DROPPING
- Oral Spiro 75mg/day (goal:  150mg/day)
- Supplements

CONSIDERING
- Roxi .5%

 05/07/2010 08:40 AM
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I thought this thread was about bee pollen, lol. I'm interested in learning more about what if any benefits bee pollen shows for hair loss.
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