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 03/19/2007 02:46 PM
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davidz
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I'm sure this has been mentioned before somewhere, but I'm 21 and I've been taking a low dosage of Propecia for about 2 months now. Is the fact that I no longer get "morning wood" something I should be worried about?

Everything else seems pretty normal, but this in itself sort of disturbs me. If I'm going to be taking this drug for 10 years, I dont want side effects like this to add up. And this is a side effects I know is not in my head...
 03/19/2007 02:52 PM
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I'm interested in this also, sometimes morning wood, sometimes not.. but usually not. Cause for concern?
 03/19/2007 02:59 PM
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 03/19/2007 03:02 PM
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most guys get erections during sleep, sometimes you wake up with one, sometimes you don't. as long as you don't have a problem keeping one during those "special times" I wouldn't worry about it
 03/19/2007 03:04 PM
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who cares if you're not getting morning erections? do you need to have sex first thing in the morning? i think you're stressing yourself out for no reason.
 03/19/2007 03:06 PM
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Excuse the double post. I don't post often more of a lurker, but I had to give some insight to this poster. I started Avodart 3 years ago and took one pill a day for 9 months, hair loss stopped and that was great. But morning wood/libido/etc... all took a turn for the worse. 2.5 years later and I'm on my 3rd specialist (endocrinologist) to try and reverse those effects. My testosterone level is below the normal range and I am constantly fatigued. Before Avodart, I was perfectly active college athlete with normal libido, etc...

If I could turn back the clock I would have never started Avodart. Stay away from propecia and stick with topicals, spiro and Xandrox is the best bet if you want to keep your hormones in order. DHT is very important for the body.

Take that for what it's worth, but I hope you research the side effects thoroughly before committing to any pill.
 03/19/2007 03:09 PM
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Originally posted by: virgin pose
Excuse the double post. I don't post often more of a lurker, but I had to give some insight to this poster. I started Avodart 3 years ago and took one pill a day for 9 months, hair loss stopped and that was great. But morning wood/libido/etc... all took a turn for the worse. 2.5 years later and I'm on my 3rd specialist (endocrinologist) to try and reverse those effects. My testosterone level is below the normal range and I am constantly fatigued. Before Avodart, I was perfectly active college athlete with normal libido, etc...



If I could turn back the clock I would have never started Avodart. Stay away from propecia and stick with topicals, spiro and Xandrox is the best bet if you want to keep your hormones in order. DHT is very important for the body.



Take that for what it's worth, but I hope you research the side effects thoroughly before committing to any pill.


you can cut down on finasteride dosages and still use it as part of an effective regemin. 1mg propecia a day blocks 50% of dht, whereas 5mg proscar blocks 70%. I take approx 1 proscar a 1 week, and I don't have any sexual sides and my hair is fine.



Edited: 03/19/2007 at 03:10 PM by HairLossIsHell
 03/19/2007 04:55 PM
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I talked to my doctor about lack of morning wood a couple of days ago.

He told me that as long as I can still get a hard-on when necessary, then it is nothing to worry about.
 03/19/2007 06:41 PM
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Are you guys really this stupid? Of course if your not getting morning erections anymore, that means there is a problem. This is a sure sign that estrogen is out of control maybe due to low DHT. You need morning erections to maintain the health of your penis. If not, your on your way to peyronnies disease.

"G'day", get a new doctor. He has no idea what he's talking about. And if I were you, I would get off this stuff ASAP. It really can screw you up good and proper. For the rest with the same issues, this is your wake up call to get off this poison before it really screws you over. It happens more than what you would think. Since when is it OK to sacrifice your erections for hair? Are you men or women?

Edited: 03/19/2007 at 06:43 PM by crocman
 03/19/2007 06:50 PM
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Are you guys really this stupid? Of course if your not getting morning erections anymore, that means there is a problem. This is a sure sign that estrogen is out of control maybe due to low DHT. You need morning erections to maintain the health of your penis. If not, your on your way to peyronnies disease.



"G'day", get a new doctor. He has no idea what he's talking about. And if I were you, I would get off this stuff ASAP. It really can screw you up good and proper. For the rest with the same issues, this is your wake up call to get off this poison before it really screws you over. It happens more than what you would think. Since when is it OK to sacrifice your erections for hair? Are you men or women?


we don't always wake up with an erection every morning. we also get them while we sleep, and of course we don't know it, but you can be assured it does happen

Edited: 03/19/2007 at 06:51 PM by HairLossIsHell
 03/19/2007 06:56 PM
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its a problem, u need erections thruout the nite to keep ur penis healthy and stuff...i would do more research on it
 03/19/2007 07:32 PM
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Hey GDAY has the propecia helped i have thinning in temples but no where else, and the stupid minox well im not sure its even working...i have similar hairline just wondering
 03/19/2007 07:35 PM
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Originally posted by: HairLossIsHell




we don't always wake up with an erection every morning. we also get them while we sleep, and of course we don't know it, but you can be assured it does happen


Can you explain to me why quite a few guys finasteride sufferers have had a test to see if they get nocturnal erections during the night and most of them failed. They put a little peice of paper on your penis while you sleep, you may have heard of this, and when you get an erection during the night, the paper breaks.

This also puts the whole psychological aspect of finasteride side effects to bed. If you do not get morning erections and especially nocturnals, you indeed do have a PHYSICAL problem, not a mental one. This is common knowledge amongst doctors.


 03/19/2007 07:46 PM
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Thanks for the reply crocman, I see your point. Does anyone else have opinions on this?
 03/19/2007 08:00 PM
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i dont always getmorning woods , and im not on fin yet, ive been paying attention to things like that reading the sides of fin

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 03/19/2007 08:06 PM
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Yea, it's a bad sign.

Likely a symptom of low Free Testosterone. That's bad for you. And lack of nocturnals prevents your penis from getting a supply of fresh oxygenated bloodflow, which it needs to maintain proper tissue structure and healthy function.

It's a warning sign your system is out of whack and if you wish to continue ignoring such signs, be prepared for increasingly worse problems in the future.

Plus, in the offical Merck/FDA reports, the FDA notes that there was a stastistical difference between those that took Finasteride and no longer had morning erections, and those who took a placebo and continued to have proper function. In other words, its a recognized side effect of the drug's action on your endocrine system.

Read up for some info:

http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/links/doi/10.1046/j.1365-2265.2000.01118.x
http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1743-6109.2006.00381.x

... From http://www.andrologyjournal.org/cgi/reprint/25/6/963.pdf :

"We explored the possibility that there might be a threshold average daily serum T level for sexual response, meaning a T level at which the sexual response was no different from that of the group of subjects with the lowest serum T level (0–300 ng/dL) and above which there
was a significant change compared with that of the group of subjects with the lowest serum T level. This threshold level appeared to be approximately 400 ng/dL for nighttime erections, 500 ng/dL for sexual intercourse, and 600 ng/dL for sexual desire."
 03/19/2007 11:15 PM
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I'm curious all you other Fin users reading this if you guys get morning wood anymore, or if you don't, does it bother/worry you?

Alot of people say the libido/side effects liekly only last a few months then libido back to normal.

For me, I think I'm gonna stay on Propecia half a year, and if everything isn't back to normal by that time, I'll quit
 03/20/2007 04:04 AM
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i'm on propecia as well, and theres no doubt my libido overall has dropped some, but thats expected with less dht
morning wood has dropped some as well, maybe use to get it 4-5 times a week now like twice

has anyone had this problem, and started taking something like l-arginine or goat weed to help cure this minor issue?
 03/20/2007 04:30 AM
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Originally posted by: davidz
I'm curious all you other Fin users reading this if you guys get morning wood anymore, or if you don't, does it bother/worry you?





I still do atleast 4 days out of the week, and I'm 37yrs old. and no, it doesn't bother me not waking up with 1 every single day out of the week, 365 days a year. TBH I think that's asking ALOT. Just because you don't wake up with a boner doesn't mean you haven't had them while you sleep. Sometimes I spring one right after I have started waking up.
 03/20/2007 05:52 AM
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No morning wood is the worst sign that you can get...then you will not be able to maintain an erection then...you wont get it up when you need to...

For me the first 3 months on prop i was super horny.then the morning wood problem started e.t.c.

I ve been there i know propably you wont accept it and continue trying, thats what i did...now i still have problems 1 year after stopping the drug.i am thin and have little fat over my penis which is not very good when you look at it(it looks smaller), i have white things on my nipples i dont know what they are but i developed them while using propecia and they are still there after one year.And the quality of my erections...well it depends on the day .Of course things are way better than before but still not 100%

Also sometimes i get acne on my forehead and then it goes away.So many things when i was perfectly healthy before.I wish i never tried the drug..but well if you dont try you never know some say they are ok and with no problems.they are lucky i guess
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