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 12/02/2018 06:11 AM
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Young guys still don't get. Read this posting by Dr. Woods.

If you are falling for the marketers and all these screen names that are either made up or secretly marketers you are heading for a world of hurt.

Doctors like Woods,and others have been attacked by marketers for a reason. I have been attacked by marketers for a reason. It's up to you to wake up to the truth or pay the price.

I posted so often about being able to feel the punch that the punch becomes an extension of the fingertips. i don't need to be a ht doctor to understand the feel of a tool I have too much of my own experience using tools over 4 decades. It's not only the feel but the subtle difference in sound sometimes but marketers will attack the point because if they don't they don't make money.

The numbers are limited don't fall for the marketing fraud and if you did then you will be able to sue.

Most guys have about 5000 grafts available long term. You will more then likely lose 20,000. Understand that severe limitation then proceed using logic and find an ethical doctor that has skill. If you see doctors working with numbers that don't make sense especially with young guys............then run for you life.


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Stay away from doctors who perform mega sessions, have posts deleted, attack posters, sue patients & forum owners, use power drills or robots. I recommend fue with hand punches in the .70-.85 range. I consulted with dozens of clinics over the years and there was a recurring theme regarding FUE among some employees of those other clinics. I was told Bisanga was the man my research told me the same and my experience validated my own research.

Edited: 12/02/2018 at 06:42 AM by topcat
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Below is a quote from Smedley Butler (Major General US Marine Corp) author of "War is a Racket" The same quote can be applied to the hair transplantation industry. All these screen names you see working the online forums on a daily basis understand the racket and they are the few who are lining their pockets with the lies of marketing fraud. If you don't understand the racket then don't sign up for a procedure until you do.


Only a small "inside" group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few, at the expense of the very many. Out of war a few people make huge fortunes.

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Stay away from doctors who perform mega sessions, have posts deleted, attack posters, sue patients & forum owners, use power drills or robots. I recommend fue with hand punches in the .70-.85 range. I consulted with dozens of clinics over the years and there was a recurring theme regarding FUE among some employees of those other clinics. I was told Bisanga was the man my research told me the same and my experience validated my own research.
 12/12/2018 06:06 AM
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Some more words of wisdom from something Dr. Woods posted to Hairsite

Stop listening to the marketers they are deceivers same goes for screen names and patients that pop up out of no where to lend you some of their sage advice. Your risk of being disfigured is extremely high and their is no going back. Moderators are all part of the game.

Marketers attack doctors and patients that expose the game.

Post by Dr. Woods.

Problems associated with the method ?

FUE will not give that big wide horrible smiley scar

But in the hands of exploited, poor and subjugated third world techs, making a few bucks a day, FUE will ,in a matter of a few hours create GLOBAL DONOR DESTRUCTION

And jamming precious fragile follicles into production line pre punched holes is the other side of this disaster.

Every day I get photos of the results of these " get it fast and cheap" jobs...many I cannot help...they have been wiped out with little to show for it.

I was very vocal since the early 1990s ...then a few years ago I gave up...I cant fight this tsunami of destruction and BS photos anymore, and this expanding gravy train of horror which replaced the scalpel

But after what I have seen and tried to repair over the last 30 years and the frustration of patients being intimidated into silence...Is indeed despairing

But now its getting worse . .If you look through the archives you will see that I predicted this several years ago

I dont blame the poor stepped on techs...I blame their greedy masters who control everything,
including the propaganda and BS photos on forums etc

Never ever trust a before and after photo.

Because there have been two inventions.

The first is a " comb " ...the second is a smart phone with good macro video

Put them together

Dr Ray Woods


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Stay away from doctors who perform mega sessions, have posts deleted, attack posters, sue patients & forum owners, use power drills or robots. I recommend fue with hand punches in the .70-.85 range. I consulted with dozens of clinics over the years and there was a recurring theme regarding FUE among some employees of those other clinics. I was told Bisanga was the man my research told me the same and my experience validated my own research.
 12/14/2018 07:00 AM
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Why does Dr. Woods have an endless line of repair patients? Why have the doctors doing the repairs like Woods & Cole for example been heavily attacked by marketers over the years? Why did the poster JeanDD viscously attack me when I brought up the name of Cole & Woods as 2 examples of doctors that work within the numbers? Why does this same poster JeanDD attack patients that are complaining about their crap procedure from Turkey? Why are posters that have been botched in Turkey like Paleocap told to just move on? Last I heard he was seeking psychological counseling?

What is going on here? Are you a victim of marketing fraud? Do you have your facts and timeline written down as it happened? Who were the posters/marketers that persuaded you to make your decision?

Woods was telling us about this 20 years ago so why is it still going on? Simple.........shitball marketers with their smiley faces spewing the horseshit over and over until young guys believe it's the truth. You can see them operating on a daily basis.

Wake up there are only a handful of doctors that can work with this very limited procedure. Everything else you see is bullshit.

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Stay away from doctors who perform mega sessions, have posts deleted, attack posters, sue patients & forum owners, use power drills or robots. I recommend fue with hand punches in the .70-.85 range. I consulted with dozens of clinics over the years and there was a recurring theme regarding FUE among some employees of those other clinics. I was told Bisanga was the man my research told me the same and my experience validated my own research.

Edited: 12/14/2018 at 07:14 AM by topcat
 12/16/2018 10:16 AM
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Yup, in my opinion most people who want hair transplants are not valid candidates. The truth is unless you are an excellent candidate (limited loss, high follicular donor density, thick calibre hair, 35+, reasonable expectations, family history of NOT proceeding to NW6, wealthy) any rational view is that hair transplants are not a sensible risk, because once you cut your head up there is no going back and you may end up with an obviously scarred head or lose the option to shave down.

Even if you find one of the best hair transplant teams in the world it is at best a marginal procedure. So WHY do so many men roll the dice ? It's simply that when it comes to hair loss many men are DESPERATE - I thought I was unhappy about hair loss but my feelings were very mild (and have decreased sharply over time) compared to many of these guys...

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A 'Government Study' is not necessarily proof - "Garbage In, Garbage Out".

Have not had an HT, turned down by 3 clinics, sadly they were right, my donor area has miniaturised.
Now here to look for any advances and give newbies another opinion.

The guy in the centre of my icon doing the inspection of scars is the ideal potential HT candidate:- Doubting Thomas
 12/18/2018 05:21 AM
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Yes Skywalker you nailed the key word DESPERATE.

Most do not understand this especially the younger guys and that they wear the desperation on their sleeve. It's very easy for all to see most especially the online marketers that work in this predator heavy industry.

If you read the recent "John of God" story it all works the same way. This guy made millions and millions over the last 2 decades from desperate people who were diagnosed with disease and hoping for a miracle. Meanwhile the guy has been accused of raping dozens of women over that same time period. Yes he was anally penetrating them in the back room while he was taking everyone's money. How is this possible? How can this go on for so long without anyone knowing?

Many become accomplices slowly over time as they too become enriched along the way so they choose to just be quiet. The victims don't know that they are not alone which just leaves them feeling shame. It's only when others become aware of the fraud that was going on that them begin to share stories and step forward. Not only does this clown face jail time but all the monies will be clawed back along with all the monies from those that participated.

We see the same in the hairloss industry as patients have stepped forward and shared their stories of being harmed while their voices were removed from the ears of other potential victims keeping the cycle of marketing fraud going. It then becomes easier for them to see how much of it works.

It's only when the "Force Multiplier" comes into effect that the house of cards comes tumbling down. Small groups that share a common cause that is emotive in nature becomes an overwhelming force. This can easily be seen in any class action.

And yes of course there are a few good players but is just that a few.

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Stay away from doctors who perform mega sessions, have posts deleted, attack posters, sue patients & forum owners, use power drills or robots. I recommend fue with hand punches in the .70-.85 range. I consulted with dozens of clinics over the years and there was a recurring theme regarding FUE among some employees of those other clinics. I was told Bisanga was the man my research told me the same and my experience validated my own research.
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Dr Woods updated a post and worth a read. The bloody strip marketers that were bashing FUE 24/7 knew exactly what they were doing. A form of deception a form of marketing fraud. Were you a victim and now only just realizing it?


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From the very beginning, I new there had to be a better way.
In the 1980s I saw the most horrific HT results.
I was well aware that doctors used small punches to experiment on and examine hair follicles since the early 1900s
Nothing new about that

The challenge was NOT to remove a few follicles for an experiment
The challenge was to remove individual follicuar units to create a new and less invasive natural hair transplant with minimal trauma and transcection...a transect means follicle destruction...and revolutionise the industry by eventually doing large numbers, preserving the donor ...

So I started in 89 91 92 93 and realised ...this aint easy... the transection rate is massive,

So, I kept the sessions small...if I got around the follicles I made 40 ...max

If a another patient came in, and the transections were one after the other... I stopped...charged nothing ...but did no harm

Word got around ...I intended to prove this...follicle by follicle...year after year

The Strip Boys were scarred...I was about to disclose , reveal and end their bloody gravy train

In 1995 I went public in an National advertisment...I called it " top up " and follicular single unit exraction ...

Yep'...it was a lttle punch... but its not the size ...its how you use it...guys, we all heard that one before

In 1996 it was aired on national tv, and then again in 1999.
The first bht was 1998...extensively documented. It takes years, but in 2003 BHT was published in THE BRITISH JOURNAL OF PLASTIC SURGERY
It was on Ripleys Beleive it or not in 2003
The first beard hair was 2000 on timetested
And please go through the archives... when it came to bht, I repeated, iterated and reiterated...WHAT YOU SEE IS WHAT YOU GET...it is true that body hair can increase in length on the scalp. but it is proportional from where it came from and not predicable
Now. there are good well meaning soles ares trying to rewrite history but please go through the archives and research

The next doctor in the world to try FUE was Dr Jones, Canada, late 2002. Then came Dr Cole in 2003, And Avind in 2004
I never wanted to patent FUE or BHT...I made it perfectly clear that this is bloody hard, but in the right hands ...the best

And to that idiot who said FUE has no scars or bleeding...what a stupid shill comment

There are small white dots, and there is some bleeding...if there isnt...I suggest you call an ambulance and check your disclaimer and insurance policy, because you are working on a corps

Dr Ray Woods


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Stay away from doctors who perform mega sessions, have posts deleted, attack posters, sue patients & forum owners, use power drills or robots. I recommend fue with hand punches in the .70-.85 range. I consulted with dozens of clinics over the years and there was a recurring theme regarding FUE among some employees of those other clinics. I was told Bisanga was the man my research told me the same and my experience validated my own research.
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Why have marketers spoken poorly of Dr. Woods in the past? Why have marketers spoken poorly of Dr. Cole in the past to the point where they have even made veiled threats?Because marketers in the ht industry are douche bags. You either get or you don't and if you don't you will put yourself at a huge risk of being a repair patient which I'm sure is good for the handful ht doctors that are able to perform these repair procedures. They are infinitely more difficult then working on a virgin scalp.

Why did the poster Jeandd speak in such an angry tone and attack the names of Dr. Woods and Dr Cole as two examples of doctors I brought up online as doctors that work within the numbers? Maybe he is a marketer? Does it make sense? Does it follow the a pattern the marketers have used over the years?

If you are a victim go back and start collecting your posts. Read who responded and check their posting history and starting figuring it out. Who are these posters and what is going on? Have you been damaged and are you due compensation?

Both Dr. Woods and Dr. Cole along with a handful of other doctors have saved the victims of doctors of which many are heavily tied to marketers. Be thankful they have mastered the skill, do the work, and put up with these a-hole marketers in the online world. That in itself is a full time job.

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Stay away from doctors who perform mega sessions, have posts deleted, attack posters, sue patients & forum owners, use power drills or robots. I recommend fue with hand punches in the .70-.85 range. I consulted with dozens of clinics over the years and there was a recurring theme regarding FUE among some employees of those other clinics. I was told Bisanga was the man my research told me the same and my experience validated my own research.

Edited: 01/10/2019 at 02:34 PM by topcat
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Here is a classic excerpt from "Influence: The Psychology of Persuasion" by Robert Cialdini. Every prospective hair transplant patient should read it along with hundreds of other books. There are a lot of talkers out there and they are all experts and not one of them has performed a hair transplant let alone repair all the shit these same people have created.

Sure 22 year old Jeandd another talker/expert along with dozens and dozens just like him.

Find those that have been repairing all the shit over the last 20 years alone and you will begin to move in the right direction. They are the same ones who adopted FUE very early on and did the actual work while the others were rubbing their hands together and making as much money as they could giving everyone a strip along with the online sources who played their part. Wake up.



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Stay away from doctors who perform mega sessions, have posts deleted, attack posters, sue patients & forum owners, use power drills or robots. I recommend fue with hand punches in the .70-.85 range. I consulted with dozens of clinics over the years and there was a recurring theme regarding FUE among some employees of those other clinics. I was told Bisanga was the man my research told me the same and my experience validated my own research.

Edited: 01/13/2019 at 04:19 PM by topcat
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Some of the doctors that were performing FUE within ethical numbers on a regular basis 10 years before anyone else were Woods, Cole, Bisanga, MaWamba, and Jones. Where were the rest?

They were busy making the easy money. Do you understand what that means? Do you understand the value of character when it comes to cutting open another human being?

Those that hopped on the band wagon including the forums out there were screwing over thousands of young guys. Are you starting to understand the fraud? Are you a victim that is only now realizing it? Have you been damaged?

Many of these posters out there today are creating a false narrative often using a fictional popularity based on skill, price, waiting time, etc. It's pure marketing fraud plain and simple so understand your legal rights.

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Stay away from doctors who perform mega sessions, have posts deleted, attack posters, sue patients & forum owners, use power drills or robots. I recommend fue with hand punches in the .70-.85 range. I consulted with dozens of clinics over the years and there was a recurring theme regarding FUE among some employees of those other clinics. I was told Bisanga was the man my research told me the same and my experience validated my own research.

Edited: 01/24/2019 at 02:06 AM by topcat
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What those that are researching fail to understand is that these marketers that attack me, any patient, skilled doctor or anyone trying to be honest is that the attacks are based on the marketer feeling someone is messing up their game. They are making lots of easy money and they don't want anyone screwing with it by being honest. That is a clue if you understand what you are looking at and the same applies to online forums.

What they fail to realize is that they are douche bags and they can only attract the same into their life which eventually has consequences all in due time.

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Stay away from doctors who perform mega sessions, have posts deleted, attack posters, sue patients & forum owners, use power drills or robots. I recommend fue with hand punches in the .70-.85 range. I consulted with dozens of clinics over the years and there was a recurring theme regarding FUE among some employees of those other clinics. I was told Bisanga was the man my research told me the same and my experience validated my own research.
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Here is a reality check. If you believe you are going to go to places like Turkey for example but it's not the only example and have 3000-4000 holes cored out of the back of your head and have all that skin moved to the front of your head by placing it into 3000-4000 openings in the front of your head in a way that doesn't look like a hair transplant by someone that does not have decades of experience/integrity then you're completely clueless about the procedure.

What I just described is reality, plain reality without the finesses of the marketers. Your chances of being disfigured long term are absolutely huge. Let that sink in real good before you proceed with a procedure out of desperation because you then become an easy target. Because if you don't do it now once you are in the chair your fear will keep you from getting up and running for your life. You become frozen as a defense mechanism.

When you are balding you are not an anomaly. Anyone that sees you including women might notice then it's no big deal. They all have fathers, brothers, cousins and even many females they know going through the same thing. They simply don't give it much more thought unless their is something to notice like you did something. Now you are the anomaly that stands out.

So why are so many marketers trying to convince you to go to Turkey or with their new found doctor? Why are marketers some who have had cancer themselves mum about the danger of injecting ink into your head? Maybe give it some thought and read the "John of God" thread. These guys are exposing their hand. That's the tell that gives you the clue.

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Stay away from doctors who perform mega sessions, have posts deleted, attack posters, sue patients & forum owners, use power drills or robots. I recommend fue with hand punches in the .70-.85 range. I consulted with dozens of clinics over the years and there was a recurring theme regarding FUE among some employees of those other clinics. I was told Bisanga was the man my research told me the same and my experience validated my own research.

Edited: 02/15/2019 at 03:04 PM by topcat
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Educational response from Dr. Woods on this thread at HS regarding a patient that died in India. What stood out for me were the numbers. It's all math and many of these marketers are promising numbers that do not exist long term.

Look for doctors that promote themselves because their work is so good they can.



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Stay away from doctors who perform mega sessions, have posts deleted, attack posters, sue patients & forum owners, use power drills or robots. I recommend fue with hand punches in the .70-.85 range. I consulted with dozens of clinics over the years and there was a recurring theme regarding FUE among some employees of those other clinics. I was told Bisanga was the man my research told me the same and my experience validated my own research.
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Dr. Woods brought up the long time poster Marco in the same thread link above. Marco did his research for years and ended up with necrosis on his scalp after his procedure. Dead black tissue which for most I would have to imagine must be very stressful. So where was his follow up? Why did he disappear?

BTW who is this poster Fordham who posted to this same thread? I have seen hundreds of posters just like him over the last 20 years. Always around for years and years posting but never having had a personal experience to share. Seems a bit odd as if it's just meant to create social proof based on nothing but maybe I'm just being a negative naybob. BTW where did the poster boy for Turkey go Jeandd. He was posting daily multiple times a day with his advice of huge donor banks all the young guys have so they need to go for it now and live it up. Do the temple points too. There will be a lot of clownish looks coming real soon it all takes time.

Simply taking advantage of desperate young boys. Marketing Fraud

Look for a doctor with integrity and it starts with the numbers. Do the numbers look like they will add up long term judging from their results? Understand the math.

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Stay away from doctors who perform mega sessions, have posts deleted, attack posters, sue patients & forum owners, use power drills or robots. I recommend fue with hand punches in the .70-.85 range. I consulted with dozens of clinics over the years and there was a recurring theme regarding FUE among some employees of those other clinics. I was told Bisanga was the man my research told me the same and my experience validated my own research.
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Imagine being Dr. Woods not only did he have these little a-hole marketers attacking him but he had the equivalent in doctors doing the same. Of course this can be discouraging but lucky for many he kept pushing forward. What we can learn is marketers in medical procedures are douche bags. Doctors that attack other doctors lack skill so they resort to attacks to equal the playing field for themselves.

Online platforms loaded with a-hole marketers doing exactly the same attacking any type of platform which is too truthful and becomes a threat. It's all a big game so stay aware and stay away from marketers.


A lot of guys got stripped out because the money was easy. Too bad for them.

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Stay away from doctors who perform mega sessions, have posts deleted, attack posters, sue patients & forum owners, use power drills or robots. I recommend fue with hand punches in the .70-.85 range. I consulted with dozens of clinics over the years and there was a recurring theme regarding FUE among some employees of those other clinics. I was told Bisanga was the man my research told me the same and my experience validated my own research.
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Interview with Dr. Woods. Got to give him much respect because the ugly reality is he was not going to suck some marketer's **** for $$$$. He stuck by his guns because he has integrity. Now these same c**t marketers are trying to attach their name to not only Dr. Woods but to Dr Cole & Bisanga. These marketers are wanna be politicians stay far away from them.

Very few people are qualified to perform the procedure and/or put a list together of those they consider qualified. Same names I have been repeating for years. Woods, Bisanga, Cole and a couple of others. They don't deal with scumbag marketers.

It becomes easier to understand why Dr. Woods was attacked for so many years. Go back and read the history and not what shitball marketers have to say. Even Dr. Bisanga was described as some unknown fu*king shoe cobbler by marketers because he was that big of a threat. It's all a game for those marketing shit all they need to do is get you to believe them.

I was banned from forums years ago because I was told FUE is dangerous. You are dealing with complete a-holes in the online world. If you are reading this stop and do nothing until you understand the game.

There are tens of thousands that used online platforms to research hair transplantation that are victims of marketing fraud. Some still will not admit how naive they were but understand the clock starts ticking once you realize you are a victim of a crime. You are due substantial damages not for a poor hair transplant but for marketing fraud. Go back trace your steps and write it all down.

Dr. Woods interview

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Stay away from doctors who perform mega sessions, have posts deleted, attack posters, sue patients & forum owners, use power drills or robots. I recommend fue with hand punches in the .70-.85 range. I consulted with dozens of clinics over the years and there was a recurring theme regarding FUE among some employees of those other clinics. I was told Bisanga was the man my research told me the same and my experience validated my own research.

Edited: 04/15/2019 at 06:32 AM by topcat
 04/21/2019 04:56 AM
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These marketers will do and say whatever they have to........they need to make money. Doesn't matter if they send you to India, Turkey or Timbuktu. They will bully patients and/or doctors.......whatever it takes. Watch their actions over years and you will see the same patterns of marketing fraud.

You are dealing with little a-holes and we can see the destruction to the heads of these young guys on a daily basis of which there is no coming back from. It's all out there.

I was looking at a young man's fue donor area over the weekend. He listened to a marketer and went to India. The damage cannot be fixed it is a life sentence.

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Stay away from doctors who perform mega sessions, have posts deleted, attack posters, sue patients & forum owners, use power drills or robots. I recommend fue with hand punches in the .70-.85 range. I consulted with dozens of clinics over the years and there was a recurring theme regarding FUE among some employees of those other clinics. I was told Bisanga was the man my research told me the same and my experience validated my own research.

Edited: 04/21/2019 at 05:30 AM by topcat
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