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Topic Title: RU sides - question for El Duterino/RU/CB experts
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Created On: 02/14/2017 02:40 AM
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 02/14/2017 02:40 AM
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fran
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Hi guys,

I have been using RU for the last 2 1/2 years successfully, in that I haven't lost any ground since then. However, about 9 days ago I started getting RU sides (testicle pain) which I have had in the past first from fin, then later using RU. The last time this happened I reduced RU from 20mg down to 15mg and the pain went away.

I'm thinking I'll maybe try 10mg, maybe even every other day for a while, but as the pain is quite distressing I was thinking I might have to switch over to CB-03-01 from Kane. I'm also on stemox and minox foam. As it's very expensive, how much CB do you think is necessary to maintain?

El Duterino - when you were using CB as your only anti-androgen, what dose did you use? Was that enough to halt any further loss?

Thanks guys!
 02/15/2017 10:14 AM
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devilhunter
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RU tends to build up in the system; it does have a short life time. You cant have "severe" side effects on RU.

El duterino quit CB and switched back to RU; as far as I remember, it was cost related.
 02/15/2017 06:15 PM
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el_duterino
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Are you using RU alone or mixing usage with fin ?

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FIN 98~04
DUT 04~08
DUT + Flutamide & Fluridil ~08
DUT + RU ~09
RU only (20mg to 400mg/d 09~11)
RU+Minox 11~15
RU 20 mg/d (in 6ml Neogenic)
Now:
Adenogen
CB 03-01 25mg/d in 6ml Neo
 02/15/2017 10:02 PM
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fran
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Thanks for the replies guys.


I've been using RU alone (mixed in Garnier stemoxydine, also using minox foam). I thought it may have built up in my system after having used it for a couple of years, as I remember reading something about RU breaking down into another anti-androgen which has a much longer half-life. I'm hoping after reducing the dose or having a short break, I'll be ok on it again.
 02/16/2017 01:57 AM
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El Dut, are you using CB? Whats your opinion about it? And if its possible to know where you get it, i'd be appreciated.
 02/17/2017 05:38 AM
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el_duterino
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i used CB, its good, bought it from Kane.
For me the results were similar to RU.
It was legit for sure.

I also got sides on CB if I used too much - my only side is penis numbness and difficulty keeping a hard erection.
this always clears up if I stop for a day or 2 so I plan accordingly and don't use RU/CB before week-ends.

other than than no issues.
After years on non-stop ethanolic topicals on the scalp, minox, stemox etc.. it gets very poreous so less will work just as fine

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FIN 98~04
DUT 04~08
DUT + Flutamide & Fluridil ~08
DUT + RU ~09
RU only (20mg to 400mg/d 09~11)
RU+Minox 11~15
RU 20 mg/d (in 6ml Neogenic)
Now:
Adenogen
CB 03-01 25mg/d in 6ml Neo
 02/18/2017 08:56 PM
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fran
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Ok thanks El Duterino, but how much CB did you use? Is 10-15mg a day/every other day enough?
 02/19/2017 04:35 AM
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el_duterino
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about 25mg EOD

depends how short your hair is

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FIN 98~04
DUT 04~08
DUT + Flutamide & Fluridil ~08
DUT + RU ~09
RU only (20mg to 400mg/d 09~11)
RU+Minox 11~15
RU 20 mg/d (in 6ml Neogenic)
Now:
Adenogen
CB 03-01 25mg/d in 6ml Neo
 02/19/2017 04:46 AM
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el_duterino
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and yes , 10mg or 20 is a lot of the drug in absolute terms

we use 1 mg of FIN a day

the issue with topicals is that only a fraction passes the top skin layer so you need a lot more than oral

but - alcohol will break the skin barrier there are sudies on this
also massaging hard helps

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FIN 98~04
DUT 04~08
DUT + Flutamide & Fluridil ~08
DUT + RU ~09
RU only (20mg to 400mg/d 09~11)
RU+Minox 11~15
RU 20 mg/d (in 6ml Neogenic)
Now:
Adenogen
CB 03-01 25mg/d in 6ml Neo
 02/19/2017 04:55 AM
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Originally posted by: el_duterino

i used CB, its good, bought it from Kane.

For me the results were similar to RU.

It was legit for sure.



I also got sides on CB if I used too much - my only side is penis numbness and difficulty keeping a hard erection.

this always clears up if I stop for a day or 2 so I plan accordingly and don't use RU/CB before week-ends.



other than than no issues.

After years on non-stop ethanolic topicals on the scalp, minox, stemox etc.. it gets very poreous so less will work just as fine



Thanks.

Also, do you think it works mixing CB/RU with that cheap stemox from Garnier that some people already talked about on this forum?
 02/22/2017 01:52 AM
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Hi Toppikk,

I don't know about CB but I've been mixing RU in the cheap Garnier stemox for over a year, and it seems to work just as well as Neogenic.
 02/22/2017 02:53 AM
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Thanks fran
 02/23/2017 04:30 PM
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No problem man Also I found this post by a reputable member of hairlosstalk in regards to CB:

You can buy from Wuhan or Kane. Both tested to be pure and they deliver it quite cheap. Although it's possible to get CB-03-01 at $35-40 per gram.

You don't need a reliable carrier really. The cream from cosmo isn't anything special too as described in their patent filings. The molecule is low MW and lipophilic in it's nature. It will readily penetrate the stratum corneum with ease.


So hopefully the Garnier stemox is all good for mixing CB in then.
 02/24/2017 06:47 AM
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el_duterino
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garnier and neo seems to be the exact same vehicle besides the perfume/smell

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FIN 98~04
DUT 04~08
DUT + Flutamide & Fluridil ~08
DUT + RU ~09
RU only (20mg to 400mg/d 09~11)
RU+Minox 11~15
RU 20 mg/d (in 6ml Neogenic)
Now:
Adenogen
CB 03-01 25mg/d in 6ml Neo
 02/26/2017 06:28 PM
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El Dut, do you order then mix the CB yourself in a similar way to RU (with a scale etc)? I've been on RU for close to a year and have only noticed recently that I had sides the entire time on 8%, which I lowered to 5% but still have sides. If I have good absorption on my scalp, would 15% CB be theoretically fine? Where do you guys find your mixer as well? 6ml a day seems like a lot.
 02/28/2017 02:10 AM
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fran and el_dut, thanks.
 03/07/2017 03:48 PM
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el_duterino
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I use 15 mg per day
The percentage is not the key figure here
But people tend to use too much
It's only for maintenance so no need to over maintain

Like brushing your teeth
You don't do it 10 times a day or else you suffer probably

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FIN 98~04
DUT 04~08
DUT + Flutamide & Fluridil ~08
DUT + RU ~09
RU only (20mg to 400mg/d 09~11)
RU+Minox 11~15
RU 20 mg/d (in 6ml Neogenic)
Now:
Adenogen
CB 03-01 25mg/d in 6ml Neo
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