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Topic Title: I've started using RU... am I doing it right? Two questions
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Created On: 04/13/2017 11:02 PM
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 I've started using RU... am I doing it right? Two questions   - Celco - 04/13/2017 11:02 PM  
 I've started using RU... am I doing it right? Two questions   - el_duterino - 04/15/2017 12:04 AM  
 I've started using RU... am I doing it right? Two questions   - neuron - 08/12/2017 11:45 AM  
 I've started using RU... am I doing it right? Two questions   - Snotz - 04/20/2017 12:17 AM  
 I've started using RU... am I doing it right? Two questions   - el_duterino - 04/20/2017 10:44 PM  
 I've started using RU... am I doing it right? Two questions   - ohmyhair - 05/04/2017 11:15 PM  
 I've started using RU... am I doing it right? Two questions   - el_duterino - 05/05/2017 07:57 AM  
 I've started using RU... am I doing it right? Two questions   - ohmyhair - 05/05/2017 07:53 PM  
 I've started using RU... am I doing it right? Two questions   - el_duterino - 08/28/2017 07:40 PM  
 I've started using RU... am I doing it right? Two questions   - sunchyme1 - 08/30/2017 03:51 PM  
 I've started using RU... am I doing it right? Two questions   - el_duterino - 09/01/2017 11:36 PM  
 I've started using RU... am I doing it right? Two questions   - neuron - 09/08/2017 05:51 PM  
 I've started using RU... am I doing it right? Two questions   - el_duterino - 10/01/2017 07:52 PM  
 I've started using RU... am I doing it right? Two questions   - sunchyme1 - 10/09/2017 11:03 AM  
 I've started using RU... am I doing it right? Two questions   - el_duterino - 10/09/2017 04:49 PM  
 I've started using RU... am I doing it right? Two questions   - sunchyme1 - 10/12/2017 02:02 PM  
 I've started using RU... am I doing it right? Two questions   - el_duterino - 10/12/2017 04:26 PM  
 I've started using RU... am I doing it right? Two questions   - sunchyme1 - 10/13/2017 12:21 PM  
 I've started using RU... am I doing it right? Two questions   - el_duterino - 10/13/2017 02:09 PM  
 I've started using RU... am I doing it right? Two questions   - sunchyme1 - 10/15/2017 05:35 AM  
 I've started using RU... am I doing it right? Two questions   - el_duterino - 10/15/2017 04:51 PM  
 I've started using RU... am I doing it right? Two questions   - sunchyme1 - 10/21/2017 10:13 AM  
 I've started using RU... am I doing it right? Two questions   - sunchyme1 - 10/22/2017 07:32 AM  
 I've started using RU... am I doing it right? Two questions   - el_duterino - 10/24/2017 03:06 AM  
 I've started using RU... am I doing it right? Two questions   - harlot12 - 03/26/2018 02:24 AM  
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 04/13/2017 11:02 PM
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My history.... Started loosing hair in my mid 20s. Used minox sporadically up until I turned 30 then jumped on Fin. Lost hair along the hairline to about NW2.5 level before I started fin. In hindsight it was stupid - I waited too long. Should have started fin at the first sign of hairloss.

Anyway fin stabilised by hairloss for the last 8 years. I have great coverage in the crown but my hairline is receded to about NW2.5-3. A consequence of waiting too long before starting fin.

Over the last 2 months I've started shedding terribly, Bumped up fin to 2 mg per day but that hasn't helped so have decided to add RU to the regimen in the last 2 weeks. RU seems to be working as my shed has slowed.

This is how I'm mixing it up...

- 100mg of RU into shot glass.
- 2.5 mls of alcohol (95%)
- 1.5 ml of dipropylene glycol.

Mix until solution is clear and then apply to hairline and crown using eye dropper. Rub in and leave in for atleast 2 hours before showering. If possible I leave it in over night.

Twoquestions...
1. Is dipropylene glycol a good substitute for PG? I can't tolerate PG due to skin inflammation. I have tried glycerin but it is too greasy.
2. What's the minimum amount of time I should leave RU on the scalp before washing hair?

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 04/15/2017 12:04 AM
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el_duterino
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thats way too much RU

10mg to 30mg a day should be the ballpark

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FIN 98~04
DUT 04~08
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DUT + RU ~09
RU only (20mg to 400mg/d 09~11)
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 08/12/2017 11:45 AM
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El Dut

Iv been fighting hair loss for over 15 years now

i have to take 1mg of fin per day and ru

i tired reducing my RU to 50mg and then 30mg daily but it didnt work... the only thing that can seem to keep my hair loss at bay is 100mg ru daily with 1mg of fin per day

my labido suffers as a result tho

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 04/20/2017 12:17 AM
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el_dut,

Are you back on CB again? Thought you switched from RU-CB-RU?

Cheers!
 04/20/2017 10:44 PM
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I am on ru, minox and stemox

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FIN 98~04
DUT 04~08
DUT + Flutamide & Fluridil ~08
DUT + RU ~09
RU only (20mg to 400mg/d 09~11)
RU+Minox 11~15
RU 20 mg/d (in 6ml Neogenic)
Now:
Adenogen
CB 03-01 25mg/d in 6ml Neo
 05/04/2017 11:15 PM
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Originally posted by: el_duterino

I am on ru, minox and stemox


Hi el_duterino :

Can I ask you why you went back to Ru ? side effects ? lack of supplier ? I was about to start on CB cause you was using it )
thanks !

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 05/05/2017 07:57 AM
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ru has the same effect as CB
much cheaper
easier to dissolve

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FIN 98~04
DUT 04~08
DUT + Flutamide & Fluridil ~08
DUT + RU ~09
RU only (20mg to 400mg/d 09~11)
RU+Minox 11~15
RU 20 mg/d (in 6ml Neogenic)
Now:
Adenogen
CB 03-01 25mg/d in 6ml Neo
 05/05/2017 07:53 PM
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Originally posted by: el_duterino

ru has the same effect as CB

much cheaper

easier to dissolve


Thanks a lot for your answer. I have being using Finasteride ( then Dutasteride, since 2002 ) since 1998 ( none stop ) . Even had a daughter on it . During the last year my libido drop a lot, also my test level ( I am 39 , could be coincidence ) , but I am looking for alternatives .

I have a couple of questions, if you can answer any of it , I will really appreciate it. 1) Do you suffer from any side effect on RU ?
2)What you think that should be a save % to start ( thinking to replace the dutasteride, one caps per day ) ?
3) Is still anagenic ( and their generic sites ) the best supplier ?
4)I am reading a lot that is not an stable drug, do you think that it could be "*****ed" with the long shipment ?
5) I am using Minoxidil ( liquid version , 5 % , at night ) . Do you think it should be a good idea to simple mix it with the minoxidil ( without extra vehicle ) ?

Thanks !!!!!!!!!!

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 08/28/2017 07:40 PM
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I use 15mg EOD of RU with Stemox and minox once a day and it works fine

Libido is fine

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FIN 98~04
DUT 04~08
DUT + Flutamide & Fluridil ~08
DUT + RU ~09
RU only (20mg to 400mg/d 09~11)
RU+Minox 11~15
RU 20 mg/d (in 6ml Neogenic)
Now:
Adenogen
CB 03-01 25mg/d in 6ml Neo
 08/30/2017 03:51 PM
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Originally posted by: el_duterino

I use 15mg EOD of RU with Stemox and minox once a day and it works fine



Libido is fine


when you say your libido is 'fine'

does this mean its the same as when your not on the drugs or its lower than normal but still ok?
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It's lower but I know how to control it

Since my GF comes over on week ends I don't use ru the night before and that's enough for a good libido
Ru has a very short serum life

I have been doing this for almost 10 years now

Watch for morning woods these are good indications of hormonal related libido changes


On fin it takes time for 5ar to replenish so the effects take longer to dissapeared

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FIN 98~04
DUT 04~08
DUT + Flutamide & Fluridil ~08
DUT + RU ~09
RU only (20mg to 400mg/d 09~11)
RU+Minox 11~15
RU 20 mg/d (in 6ml Neogenic)
Now:
Adenogen
CB 03-01 25mg/d in 6ml Neo
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I agree morning wood is the main indicator of how the libido is doing

el dut have u ever thought about the long term effects of taking a drug like RU.. i mean has anyone on here suffered a serious illness as a result? cancer or something like that? iv been using it heavy now (as in 50 to 100mg a day) for close to 5 years and think about the long term consequences all the time

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i dont have issues after 10 years but yes it could be a concern over time

use the least amount you need. people tend to use way too much

you really dont nedd 50mg I use 15mg EOD its enough, and make sure you also use STEMOX this helps overall over time and help reduce the RU amount required

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DUT 04~08
DUT + Flutamide & Fluridil ~08
DUT + RU ~09
RU only (20mg to 400mg/d 09~11)
RU+Minox 11~15
RU 20 mg/d (in 6ml Neogenic)
Now:
Adenogen
CB 03-01 25mg/d in 6ml Neo
 10/09/2017 11:03 AM
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el dut do you still follow hairlosstalk?

they have a couple lively experimental sections there with guys trying all kinds of shit

have you looked into any of it?
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No - not looking at other sites these days

Is there anything new ?

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DUT 04~08
DUT + Flutamide & Fluridil ~08
DUT + RU ~09
RU only (20mg to 400mg/d 09~11)
RU+Minox 11~15
RU 20 mg/d (in 6ml Neogenic)
Now:
Adenogen
CB 03-01 25mg/d in 6ml Neo
 10/12/2017 02:02 PM
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Originally posted by: el_duterino

No - not looking at other sites these days



Is there anything new ?


a bunch of guys are trying topicals that act on different angles. guys that got sides with ru. a drug called seti is a popular one. meant to avoid the whole dht thing

plus a load of other random shit people are trying after getting sides with fin/ru

i personally had excellent regrowth with fin but awful sides. im not interested in trying anything like ru instead because of this. nothing too strong. i am thinking of trying fluridil.

after all these years, how would you rate the drug now? i know it had a lot of noise on the forums 10 years ago. would you still recommend it?

i have quite aggressive hairloss. will be nw7 cueball in 10/15 years. the pattern is there now. am currently around nw4ish at 30. but would like to use SOMETHING to help slow it down. along with minoxidil.

its taken me 13/14 years to reach nw4 so its not super super aggressive. i feel like maybe these more less potent products could help me somewhat
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They are getting sides on ru or cb because they use too much of it

Use the right amount and you will be fine

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FIN 98~04
DUT 04~08
DUT + Flutamide & Fluridil ~08
DUT + RU ~09
RU only (20mg to 400mg/d 09~11)
RU+Minox 11~15
RU 20 mg/d (in 6ml Neogenic)
Now:
Adenogen
CB 03-01 25mg/d in 6ml Neo
 10/13/2017 12:21 PM
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Originally posted by: el_duterino

They are getting sides on ru or cb because they use too much of it



Use the right amount and you will be fine


i will look into it but im very hesitant using anything *****ing with my hormones after my experience with fin

what do you think about fluridl, is there still a place for this product? or is it simply too weak
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fluridil is too weak

ru or cb do not affect hormones only the receptor

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DUT 04~08
DUT + Flutamide & Fluridil ~08
DUT + RU ~09
RU only (20mg to 400mg/d 09~11)
RU+Minox 11~15
RU 20 mg/d (in 6ml Neogenic)
Now:
Adenogen
CB 03-01 25mg/d in 6ml Neo
 10/15/2017 05:35 AM
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Originally posted by: el_duterino

fluridil is too weak



ru or cb do not affect hormones only the receptor


ok but you still can get similar sides like low libido and brain fog etc. from what ive seen reported anyway.

i would rather not experience those things again

cheers though
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Only erections issues sometimes nothing else
Use less and you get no sides at all and maintain hair better than anything else

You also need Stemox to help

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DUT 04~08
DUT + Flutamide & Fluridil ~08
DUT + RU ~09
RU only (20mg to 400mg/d 09~11)
RU+Minox 11~15
RU 20 mg/d (in 6ml Neogenic)
Now:
Adenogen
CB 03-01 25mg/d in 6ml Neo
 10/21/2017 10:13 AM
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Originally posted by: el_duterino

Only erections issues sometimes nothing else

Use less and you get no sides at all and maintain hair better than anything else



You also need Stemox to help


what do you think about this el dut?

http://www.ru58841.info/side-effects/

i remember reading your posts how ru will give sides after a while due to it building in your system (ru56279)

ive read online people experiencing this as well

the site above, however, disputes this with the math involved

Edited: 10/22/2017 at 07:33 AM by sunchyme1
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 10/24/2017 03:06 AM
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Nah that's old info
The latest info is that the sides only last a day or two after you stop, IF you notice them at all, and I have been using it almost 10 years

People who have been complaining of sides are mixing FIN usage with RU or CB - don't do that .

Use either FIN or RU/CB alone , do not mix

RU is a replacement of FIN and so will Breezula be when it's available in a few years


Just give it try and see for yourself - it's nothing like FIN or DUt where the main effect is systemic and 5ar take weeks to replenish

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FIN 98~04
DUT 04~08
DUT + Flutamide & Fluridil ~08
DUT + RU ~09
RU only (20mg to 400mg/d 09~11)
RU+Minox 11~15
RU 20 mg/d (in 6ml Neogenic)
Now:
Adenogen
CB 03-01 25mg/d in 6ml Neo

Edited: 10/24/2017 at 03:13 AM by el_duterino
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Remember: You could be experiencing an allergic reaction to the vehicle itself. This will hurt your hair no matter how much RU you mix in.

I personally would get on Dutasteride.

There are horror hairline stories with Dut, the same with Fin, but based on the countless posts I've read from Dut users of all ages (including my own experience), Dut seems to help the hairlines of those that began losing it in their teens/20's.

Try it for 6 weeks, and if you notice an increase in shedding past that, discontinue Dut and get back on RU with a high dose. I would strongly recommend using butylene glycol instead of dipropylene glycol; butylene is a lot easier on the skin and far less like to cause contact dermatits; which will wreck your hair far worse than any "Dut horror stories" you'll read anywhere.

I've taken both routes, and I'd do anything to go back in time to just pop Dut 3x times a week, get great regrowth and stop worrying about hair; instead of literally destroying my density with topicals.

Despite what I said, keep calm dude. Just monitor your shedding on either treatment for a month or two, and decide what's best for you

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