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Topic Title: Stop using GREEN TEA!!!! 194% DHT increase!!!
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Created On: 12/08/2006 05:14 PM
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 12/08/2006 05:14 PM
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Green tea seems to increase DHT levels by 194% and Testosterone by 74%

I found this thread over at Hairlosstalk........ green tea/dht discussion at hairlosstalk

Green Tea DHT study ...also black tea and soy



I started mega dosing green tea when i started experiencing rapid hair loss and all I was doing was adding fuel to the fire!!!!!! awww f*ck!!!!!!!

Edited: 12/08/2006 at 05:19 PM by shyguy007
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I've been a longtime fan of tea and am always skeptical when hearing new studies that are contrary to what's been known for years. I haven't ever really taken tea EXTRACT supplements though since it is something very easy to intake in its natural form and also much cheaper. Perhaps these extracts of ECGC only could have this effect, as they lack other components found in brewed tea. I hope people will not stop drinking something so healthy in its natural form.

I used to drink Green tea specifically until I learned about White Tea which tastes quite a bit better and has just the same health benefits (if not more) than green or black tea. Same with Rooibos which is of a different tea family.

Bottom line, I wouldn't stop drinking a quality loose leaf tea because of a couple of studies. The health benefits completely outweigh the risks in my opinion.
 12/08/2006 05:32 PM
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I read that study at Nutrition.org and found it be a bit wacky. In the same study, they say that if you combo Green Tea with SPC (soy phytochemicals) it reduced DHT!!! A Bit of a conflict here?

Here is another study with mice, which shows Green Tea alone decresed promoted new hair growth and retained hair on mice:

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Until now there had been no direct research about the effect of green tea on hair loss, but a recent study revealed some tasty results. In the study mice with identical hair loss were selected and then split into two groups: group A received green tea in their drinking water, group B received only regular drinking water. The results showed that green tea halted hair loss in *all* of the test group and even triggered new hair growth in some of the mice. Significantly, some of the mice who were not invited to the tea party showed continued hair loss.

We observed hair regrowth among 33% of the mice that received green tea extract and did not observe any spontaneous remission or hair regrowth among the controls. Eight percent of these controls of showed progressive hair loss during the period of our study, whereas none of the mice who received polyphenoline extract showed any progressive hair loss.

Published 22 July 2005 in J Natl Med Assoc, 97(6): 816-8.

What might surprise a few people is the study concluded that green tea didn’t stop hair loss by blocking DHT, as many had originally speculated. Instead hair loss was prevented by the “anti-inflammatory” properties of green tea. Whereas blocking DHT is only of use to men, anti-inflammatories are beneficial to the hair loss of both men and women. So ladies, drink up too.

There is abundant evidence that polyphenolic sub-stances are considered as anti-inflammatory and have stress inhibitory characteristics, and there is evidence that stress inhibits hair growth.
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source: http://www.hairlossbuddy.com/12/green-tea/


So the study shows that although Green Tea may not block DHT, it does other things to promote a healther set of hair.

Draw your own conclusions people. =)


Edited: 12/08/2006 at 05:38 PM by flair4hair
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I wonder what immortal hair has to say about this? Hey Shyguy, I seen you post on the site immortal is on, maybe you could ask him? Green tea also caused me to shed some.
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*the study says that the ECGC content has no bearing on dht reduction or increase, its the other constituents of green tea itself that elevates dht/test levels


***When I used Green Tea Extract, I was using about 8-10 grams or more a day....... and i noticed during this time of green tea use that my libido/sex drive was better and my hair was continuing to rapidly thin/miniaturize and shed........ So now I am wondering if I have been hurting myself all this time by its use..... especially when I went to have my blood test and it revealed my Testosterone levels were very high (I had always had low test levels all my life), my test levels were so high that it would appear I had been on hormone replacement and I wasnt.... I thought my use of Tribulus Terrestris contributed to the Test elevation, now Im not so sure cuz I was using green tea then as well.....

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Ok, whats your comments on the study with the mice I posted?

What both studies show me is that although Green Tea stand-alone may increase DHT (as what your study suggests), it also offers an anti-inflammotary which outweighs the DHT increase (what my study suggests) because... the mice with the green tea grew hair and/or retained hair compared to other mice.
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the study with the mice it doesnt really say what was actually given to them other than that it was Green Tea Extract.... It could of been a concentrated form which had no other constituents of the green tea leaf which is what is being Identified as the cause of the dht increase....


As far as the head shedding is concerned, I dont know if it contributed or not... there were only 2 supplements that I started taking in Sept 06 and that was Tribulus Terrestris and GTE... from that point on is when I started to experience rapid hair loss/shedding ...... I stopped trib immediately but continued to use 8-10gms of GTE for these past 3 months and my hairloss has not stopped... also, my libido was ironcially increased when i used Green Tea...... so now I am wondering?????

also like i said earlier I have blood tests during the use of GTE that shows my elevated Testosterone levels (especially when I have had life long low T levels prior)

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And for those saying Green Tea caused your hair to shed, are you saying that you drank green tea and saw your hair shed and when you stopped the shed stopped? So if you don't drink green tea, then your hairs should not be shedding at all.? How long after you started, stopped, did you see the shed?

I am not sure how some people can pin point an item in their routine that causes hairloss or gain without doing a specific study. If you know green tea caused you to loose hairs, how do you know this to be true, be specific.

For those who feel green tea caused shedding, I'm assuming you are not taking it. Do a study over afew weeks or a month, introduce green tea and see if your hair sheds! lol, we can hold a poll in a month time.

Note: I don't drink green tea, I don't really like tea that much period. But if something sounds too good to be true, it usually is, and if something sounds kinda made up, then it usually is too. Its hard to believe the glorious green tea is the catalyst for MPB.

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I added Green Tea Extract (500mg - 98% polyphenols, 80% catechins, 45% EGCG) to my regimen in September and since then I have experienced in increase in shedding and higher sex drive. I am still taking it since I wanna give it 6 months. I remember shedding from Saw Palmetto for like 4 months and then my hair came back stronger/thicker. But I am starting to worry about whether the Grean Tea is increasing DHT, damn, and now these studies are showing it does.
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it does not. sheesh. there is no evidence that this happens in human vivo.

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The problem is HB is that there is no study in vivo that points to if green tea is bad or good? Yes green tea has awesome antioxidant and anti-inflammatory properties, but we dont know what else is has or alters in the body either.....
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if it has any effect at all on dht whether increase or decrease, it is not likely to be measureable by human consumption.

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I can't believe I am actually reading this. Green tea will exacerbate DHT induced hair loss??? You guys have got to be kidding me! I think it's time I stick to my regimen and stay off these boards. I mean no offense to anyone in particular, but it's just that this stuff will make you go crazy after a while. Next thing we will be hearing is that sun exposure causes hair loss!
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The sun very well could cause hair loss in some individuals... the point is you never know.....
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after reading this i assume lots of people disscontinue using green tea
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The point is that majority of the studies regarding green tea were fixed/based on the ECGC's , were starting to find out that the rest of the leaf of green tea affects our hormones such as raising dht /test....
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Hey Shyguy, you going to stop using it?
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Originally posted by: Got Hair?

I can't believe I am actually reading this. Green tea will exacerbate DHT induced hair loss??? You guys have got to be kidding me! I think it's time I stick to my regimen and stay off these boards. I mean no offense to anyone in particular, but it's just that this stuff will make you go crazy after a while. Next thing we will be hearing is that sun exposure causes hair loss!


Sun exposure does cause hairloss, did you not know? lol jokes
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This study showed that green tea somehow raised serum DHT levels but black tea reduced DHT levels. The study was also done on mice and not on humans. I wouldn't put a whole lot of stock in this study.
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MCcanada,

yes i am gonna stop using green tea....


Wolverine,

How do you think majority of studies on anything are conducted.. on mice....
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Well green tea seems to have helped me in soo many ways health wise.
I don't think I will cut it out.

Btw I read the article a bit and it was pretty vague. I dont know why people are bugging soo much for?

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2nd HT, this time with DR Feller 2/08, 3000+ to my front third.
Came out well, however due to thin hair characteristics, I need more for a fuller look.

3rd HT with Dr Feller 9/09. Roughly 1000 into my crown, and roughly 1500 into the thin front 1/3 portions as well as the hair behind the 2nd HT that receded.
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here you are, someday
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here you are, someday


Thanks
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Green Tea actually increases SHBG. Therefore, it's safe to say it actually decreases Testosterone and increases Estrogen
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Originally posted by: Clemenza6
Green Tea actually increases SHBG. Therefore, it's safe to say it actually decreases Testosterone and increases Estrogen


is this good or bad?
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http://www.hairloss-research.org/GreenTearaisesSHBG.html

GREEN TEA RAISES SHBG-HAIRLOSS/MPB BENEFIT



SHBG Levels and Hair Loss
There is a clinically established inverse relationship between sex hormone binding globulin (SHBG) and androgenetic alopecia (AGA). Studies have shown that those with AGA have lower circulating levels of SHBG compared to the non-balding controls.

There are several drugs (like oral antiandrogens) that elevate SHBG levels but have a host of side effects that limit their usage on a continuous basis in men.

There are also, however, two health enhancing compounds that elevate SHBG levels while offering additional health benefits and are side effect free. Green Tea Extract elevates SHBG while having the added benefit of reducing estrogen levels, which via an SHBG binding route can upregulate androgen activity. Soy isoflavones have also been shown in several studies to elevate SHBG levels and to be mildly anti-estrogenic.

In addition to a significantly lower incidents of most types of cancer, including prostate cancer and breast cancer, the oriental population whose traditional diet is abundant in soy isoflavones and green tea catechins have a drastically lower overall incidence of androgenetic alopecia and acne compared to the US.

Interestingly, those of Asian origin living in the US have an almost identical incidence of androgen mediated disorders (prostate cancer, BPH, hair loss) as the US general population.


Hormonal Profile in men with premature androgenic alopecia [Article in Czech]
Starka L, Hill M, Polacek V.
Endokrinologicky ustav a IPVZ, Praha, Czech Republic.

Androgenetic alopecia especially that with premature onset can be a cause of serious psychic trauma. As far as the treatment with antiandrogens, inhibitors of 5 alpha-reductase or hair transplantation represents a heavy economic burden for the patient, we tried to exclude other hormonal causes or to find a criterion for the apt candidates for the treatment in 15 young men with premature androgenetic alopecia. Hormonal analysis discovered a significantly lower plasma level of sexual binding globulin (SHBG) and FSH and nearly significantly higher concentration of 17 alpha-hydroxyprogesterone. These data resemble those in the hormonal pattern of women suffering from the syndrome of polycystic ovaries (PCOS). The finding of premature balding as the possible male phenotype hormonal equivalent of polycystic ovaries is in concordance with several pedigree studies in kindreds with PCOS, which have suggested a genetic basis of this syndrome in some families in which balding and pilosity was frequent in male members.


Female androgenic alopecia. The 3 alpha, 17 beta-androstanediol glucuronide/sex hormone binding globulin ratio as a possible marker for female pattern baldness.
De Villez RL, Dunn J.

Twenty-five women fulfilling the criteria for female alopecia, of either the male pattern baldness type or female pattern baldness type, were evaluated for hormone markers to delineate the clinical baldness patterns. Women with a marked increase in the 3 alpha, 17 beta-androstanediol glucuronide/sex hormone binding globulin ratio and low serum sex hormone binding globulin were noted to have female pattern baldness. This pattern of baldness may represent hair loss from the influence of minimal androgen excess on genetically sensitive hair bulbs in the absence of other signs of maximal androgen excess, including hirsutism, acne, or virilism.


Sex hormone-binding globulin and saliva testosterone levels in men with androgenetic alopecia.
Cipriani R, Ruzza G, Foresta C, Veller Fornasa C, Peserico A.
Sex hormone binding globulin (SHBG), plasma testosterone and saliva testosterone were measured in sixty-four men with androgenetic alopecia and in forty males within the same age range without alopecia. There was a significant reduction in SHBG levels in bald men, compared with controls. Plasma testosterone levels were not raised in bald men, but their salivary testosterone levels were significantly higher than in controls.


Dietary isoflavones affect sex hormone-binding globulin levels in postmenopausal women.
Pino AM, Valladares LE, Palma MA, Mancilla AM, Yanez M, Albala C. Instituto De Nutricion y Tecnologia de Los Alimentos, Universidad de Chile, Santiago.

The studies presented in this report were designed to further investigate the causal association between phytoestrogen action and increase in sex hormone-binding globulin (SHBG) levels. Phytoestrogens include isoflavones that bind to estrogen receptors and therefore exert estrogenic action. This study included 20 postmenopausal women that ingested 30 g soy milk daily for 10 weeks. Plasma concentrations of isoflavones and SHBG were measured. Total isoflavones significantly increased from 0.014 +/- 0.01 micromol/L(baseline) to 0.53 +/- 0.19, micromol/L, and paired responses showed that some subjects clearly increased their SHBG levels. The percent change in SHBG showed a positive correlation with phytoestrogen concentration; all women who had circulating phytoestrogen levels above 0.6 micromol/L increased by at least 30% their SHBG values. Results suggest that phytoestrogens may significantly increase SHBG in subjects whose SHBG concentrations are in the low end of the concentration range.


Association of coffee, green tea, and caffeine intakes with serum concentrations of estradiol and sex hormone-binding globulin in premenopausal Japanese women.
Nagata C, Kabuto M, Shimizu H.
Department of Public Health, Gifu University School of Medicine, Japan. [email protected]

Caffeine intake has been proposed to influence breast cancer risk. Its effect may be mediated by hormonal changes. The relationships between caffeine-containing beverages (coffee, green tea, black tea, oolong tea, and cola) and serum concentrations of estradiol and sex hormone-binding globulin were evaluated in 50 premenopausal Japanese women. Intakes of caffeine and caffeine-containing beverages were assessed by a semiquantitative food-frequency questionnaire. Blood samples were obtained from each woman on Days 11 and 22 of her menstrual cycle. High intakes of caffeinated coffee, green tea, and total caffeine were commonly correlated with increasing sex hormone-binding globulin on Days 11 and 22 of the cycle after controlling for potential confounders [Spearman correlation coefficients (r) ranged from 0.23 to 0.31]. Green tea but not caffeinated coffee intake was inversely correlated with estradiol on Day 11 of the cycle (r = -0.32, p = 0.04). Although the effect of caffeine cannot be distinguished from effects of coffee and green tea, consumption of caffeine-containing beverages appeared to favorably alter hormone levels associated with the risk of developing breast cancer.


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http://www.hairloss-research.org/greentea.html

GREEN TEA AND HAIRLOSS



A new function of green tea: possible prevention of hairloss and other lifestyle-related diseases.
Sueoka N, Suganuma M, Sueoka E, Okabe S, Matsuyama S, Imai K, Nakachi K, Fujiki H.


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In the normal human life span, there occur lifestyle-related diseases that may be preventable with nontoxic agents. This paper deals with the preventive activity of green tea in some lifestyle-related diseases. Green tea is one of the most practical cancer preventives, as we have shown in various in vitro and in vivo experiments, along with epidemiological studies. Among various biological effects of green tea, we have focused on its inhibitory effect on TNF-alpha gene expression mediated through inhibition of NF-kappaB and AP-1 activation. Based on our recent results with TNF-alpha-deficient mice, TNF-alpha is an endogenous tumor promoter. TNF-alpha is also known to be a central mediator in chronic inflammatory diseases such as androgenetic hair loss, rheumatoid arthritis and multiple sclerosis. We therefore hypothesized that green tea might be a preventive agent for chronic inflammatory diseases. To test this hypothesis, TNF-alpha transgenic mice, which overexpress TNF-alpha only in the lungs, were examined. The TNF-alpha transgenic mouse is an animal model of human idiopathic pulmonary fibrosis which also frequently develops lung cancer. Expressions of TNF-alpha and IL-6 were inhibited in the lungs of these mice after treatment with green tea in drinking water for 4 months. In addition, judging from the results of a prospective cohort study in Saitama Prefecture, Japan, green tea helps to prevent cardiovascular disease. In this study, a decreased relative risk of death from cardiovascular disease was found for people consuming over 10 cups of green tea a day, and green tea also had life-prolonging effects on cumulative survival. These data suggest that green tea has preventive effects on both chronic inflammatory diseases and lifestyle-related diseases (including cardiovascular disease and cancer), resulting in prolongation of life span.

Mechanisms of cancer and hairloss prevention by tea polyphenols based on inhibition of TNF-alpha expression.
Suganuma M, Sueoka E, Sueoka N, Okabe S, Fujiki H.
Saitama Cancer Center Research Institute, Japan.

Among various biochemical and biological activities of tea polyphenols, we believe inhibition of the expression and release of tumor necrosis factor-alpha (TNF-alpha) is crucial, since our study with TNF-alpha-deficient mice has revealed that TNF-alpha is an essential factor in tumor promotion. We found that EGCG dose-dependently inhibited AP-1 and NF-kappaB activation in BALB/3T3 cells treated with okadaic acid, resulting in inhibition of TNF-alpha gene expression. Furthermore, treatment with 0.1% green tea extract in drinking water reduced TNF-alpha gene expression as well as TNF-alpha protein level in the lung of TNF-alpha transgenic mice; and IL-1beta and IL-10 gene expression in the lung was also inhibited by treatment with green tea extract, indicating that green tea inhibits both TNF-alpha and the cytokines induced by TNF-alpha in organs. We recently found synergistic effects of EGCG and cancer preventive agents such as tamoxifen and sulindac, on cancer preventive activity. Taken together, the results show that green tea is efficacious as a non-toxic cancer preventive for humans.
*TNF-alpha has been conclusively shown to be expressed in androgenetic hair loss.
The key ingredients of green tea are molecules called catechins. Catechins have several properties. Anima model research studies indicate that green tea catechins have a variety of actions. Rats that were given green tea derived epicatechins showed vasorelaxation. Arteries that were induced to contract were found to relax again after administration of catechins (Huang 1998), so green tea may aid cardiovascular activity and microcapillary circulation to hair follicles.. Catechins of green tea are selectively bactericidal. They do not affect lactic acid bacteria but will reduce the proliferation of other bacteria types particularly those that use alpha-amylase activity in their growth and cell division. Green tea also contains antioxidants and may even help lower cholesterol. Of greatest interest to the research community green tea apparently has a protective effect against a range of cancers. Green tea has been statistically shown to reduce the frequency of smoke-induced mutations (Lee 1997). It has also been particularly useful in protection from stomach and colon cancer (Katiyar 1997).
Of greatest interest to those with androgenetic alopecia is evidence that green tea can influence serum concentrations of hormones and inhibit TNF-a. Research in this area is primarily with reference to hormonal effects on the development of cancer and how green tea and other caffeine containing products might mediate changes in hormone levels. For example, high intake of Green tea has been associated with higher levels of sex hormone binding globulin (SBHG) and lowered levels of serum estradiol (estrogen) concentration in women (Nagata 1998). Increased SBHG may be of help in reducing the effects of androgenetic alopecia. SBHG is a molecule that binds with high affinity to testosterone. Testosterone bound to SBHG is not bioactive and cannot bind to androgen receptors or be converted into dihydrotestosterone. An increase in SBHG concentration effectively reduces free testosterone. Green tea may also have an affect on the type I 5 alpha reductase enzyme that converts testosterone to dihydrotestosterone. These two distinct, but complementary, effects of green tea may influence androgenetic alopecia.
One cup of green tea roughly equals 50 mg of tea catechins. Typically research investigations have involved individuals drinking six cups of green tea, or utilizing Green Tea Extracts (300mg or more catechins) each day. Green tea is well tolerated by most individuals with no significant side effects reported.
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Human hair growth enhancement in vitro by green tea epigallocatechin-3-gallate (EGCG).
Phytomedicine, 2006 Nov 6;
Department of Dermatology, Seoul National University College of Medicine, Laboratory of Cutaneous Aging and Hair Research, Clinical Research Institute, Seoul National University Hospital, Institute of Dermatological Science, Seoul National University, 110-744 Seoul, Republic of Korea.

Green tea is a popular worldwide beverage, and its potential beneficial effects such as anti-cancer and anti-oxidant properties are believed to be mediated by epigallocatechin-3-gallate (EGCG), a major constituent of polyphenols. Recently, it was reported that EGCG might be useful in the prevention or treatment of androgenetic alopecia by selectively inhibiting 5alpha-reductase activity. However, no report has been issued to date on the effect of EGCG on human hair growth. This study was undertaken to measure the effect of EGCG on hair growth in vitro and to investigate its effect on human dermal papilla cells (DPCs) in vivo and in vitro. EGCG promoted hair growth in hair follicles ex vivo culture and the proliferation of cultured DPCs. The growth stimulation of DPCs by EGCG in vitro may be mediated through the upregulations of phospho! ! ! rylated Erk and Akt and by an increase in the ratio of Bcl-2/Bax ratio. Similar results were also obtained in in vivo dermal papillae of human scalps. Thus, we suggest that EGCG stimulates human hair growth through these dual proliferative and anti-apoptotic effects on DPCs.


Green Tea Extracts vs. Green Tea Beverages

A recent study published in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition compared the absorbed potencies of active polyphenols, including EGCG, from equally standardized Green Tea Extract capsules and Green Tea beverages, in 30 human subjects.

The results indicated that subjects who used the Green Tea Extract capsules had a 60% greater increase in EGCG and the other active constituents, (including a 90%greater increase in ECG) compared to those who drank Green tea in an amount that was standardized to have the same level of polyphenols.

The results would support other studies, showing that polyphenols and catechins from Green tea Extract are for whatever reason, better absorbed than Green Tea beverages. They are also much more economical.
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REPLENIX CONCENTRATED GREEN TEA CREAM (made by Topix Pharmaceuticals)

There are some impressive before/after photo's on their website treating facial redness. It contains 90% Polyphenol Isolates and says "One bottle is equivalent to approximately 500 cups of green tea". Interestingly, it also uses caffeine to enhance absorption. It is in a "soy phospholipid and hyaluronic acid base".

green tea/caffeine/soy/ha....interesting topical.


Replenix® CF Cream and Serum
Description:
Replenix® CF Cream and Serum are patent pending formulations composed of highly concentrated green tea polyphenols.
Replenix® CF Cream and Serum have been fortified with the green tea component, caffeine USP to deliver enhanced antioxidant benefits.
Replenix® CF Serum is a lightweight, fast-absorbing formulation in a hyaluronic acid (humectant) base.
Replenix® CF Cream is an emollient formulations with a soy phospholipid and hyaluronic acid base.
Patients can choose the formulation based on their own skin type and preferences.

Product Highlights:
Antioxidant - Among the world's most powerful!
Anti-aging - Aids in the appearance of fine lines, wrinkles and pore size.
Anti-inflammatory - Calming and cooling to the skin, ideal for Rosacea and sensitive skin and post-procedure.
90% Polyphenol Isolates - the active ingredient in green tea containing the most antioxidant benefits including the compound EGCG (epigallocatechin 3-gallate) which is the major preventative component.
Caffeine enhances the antioxidant properties of the green tea.
One bottle is equivalent to approximately 500 cups of green tea.
Replenix® is a tan colored product due to the concentration of the green tea.

Recommended Skin Types:
The majority of patients can experience the benefits of green tea, making this a welcome addition to the practice. Oily skinned and acne patients tend to prefer the serum, while dry skinned and more mature patients prefer the cream.
Anti-aging patients and those concerned about photodamage.
Rosacea and sensitive skin
Post-Procedure - laser, microdermabrasion, peels, IPL, etc.
Acne patients

Directions for Use:
Patients can apply Replenix® CF Cream or Serum on clean skin once or twice per day. Can be used in conjunction with other skin care products.

Product Notes:
Available in a 1 ounce pump dispenser bottle.

Product Numbers:
833 - Replenix® CF Cream
834 - Replenix® CF Serum


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a quick "froogle" shows the cheapest Replenix cf cream is from here:

Ebay - US $29.99

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http://www.touchdermatologicaldisease.com/articles.cfm?article_id=802&level=2


Green tea is another common and very important antioxidant when found in higher polyphenol concentrations.This is commercially available by Topix in their Replenix line of cream and serums. Studies of Replenix versus a placebo over an eight-week trial showed a reduction in the appearance of redness within the skin in 43% of subjects diminished fine lines and wrinkles in 52% of subjects, and a decrease in brown discoloration in 43% of subjects (see Figure 2). The purified green tea extract is a powerful antioxidant and anti-inflammatory agent, which protects against erythema, edema, and hyperplastic responses induced by solar and chemical stressors.In addition,it adds protection toward UV-induced immunosuppression,reactive oxygen species, and aids the increase of skin elasticity.

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so if green tea causes hair loss does white tea do the same since its the same plant?
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I have noticed my hair receding more since drinking green tea, and thats why I looked it up and found this. So im gonna stop drinking green tea and switch to white tea but im thinking it would have the same effect? Anyone know? Thanks
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so what about white tea. does that increase dht then?. I stopped drinking green tea cos of the nasty taste, and white is supposed to be better.

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siko232,

Working in a lab, Have you studied the hormonal affect of Propecia on the body.
Or dutasturide as I believe this affects both types of DHT.

My main concern (besides hormonal balance of T to E) is other areas of the body that are 5-ar reduced such as Allpregnenolone.




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So what's the verdict? How can green tea, sky rocked DHT? That makes no sense..

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heres a good 6 page read of testimonials on green tea. overall people seem to think it made their acne worse. it gave me second thoughts, but still undecided

http://www.acne.org/messageboa...Oily-skin-t189363.html

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AM
- S5 Spiro Cream 5% w/ 1% Caffeine and .025% Retin-A

PM
- Same as AM

- Peppermint Shampoo
- Fin .5mg (EOD) DROPPING
- Oral Spiro 75mg/day (goal:  150mg/day)
- Supplements

CONSIDERING
- Roxi .5%

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i drink green tea almost on a regular basic starting a year ago. no increase shedding for me.
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Twister,

I feel pretty good on 1200-1600 calories a day, I eat six times a day, Healthy fats, whole grains, and lean proteins, I really don't get too hungry. The main thing when you're on a diet is to not starve yourself.

I don't take anything for my hair, because:

1.) I'm not to keen on the side effects of minox and fin, The only thing's I have ever tried for my hairloss are Saw Palmetto, and Red Maca, And all those other supplements that I listed on the "Supplement Junkie" thread. But I don't take those for hair loss, I take those for my health.

2) I don't look bad bald (don't get me wrong, I'd like to keep my hair, but it isn't the end all be all in my life) I'm alright to just wait on HM or something if it is indeep 5-10 years away.
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Twister,

I forgot to state above, if you're trying to lose weight get on CLA Asap! For me the stuff has been a magic bullet when combined with eating right and excercising. The stuff is amazing. I get mine from GNC, but I believe you're in the UK, and I don't know if they have GNC, but you can get it almost anywhere online.

Just something you should think about.
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Ok dude, thanx I will check that out

Also just FYI I had a similar experience when I started Kelp Tabs (Iodine)
I take 1mg (7x150mcg)
RDA is 150mcg (which is very low, imo)

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OK - Getting this thread back on track, please note that this study was very small scale (it looks like only 90 rats - about 15 in each group). Also, they found that:

"The combination of SPC (Soy phytochemical concentrate) and green tea synergistically inhibited final tumor weight and metastasis and significantly reduced serum concentrations of both testosterone and DHT in vivo"

So if you think this study holds water, then it is probably best to include soy in your diet along with either green or black tea.

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I wonder if taking omega 3 or omega 6 with green tea also might help. I'm going to try that one. I use the capsule form of green tea.

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There are several things in this study that question its validity:

1. It was done on mice
2. The sample size of each group was small (<=16)
3. The mice were given only tea to drink and it was relatively strong tea
(15 g/L tea infused for 10 minutes - This is like boiling 5 tea bags in a liter of water for 10 minutes - quite strong - imagine drinking that all day!)



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yes i am gonna stop using green tea....





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How do you think majority of studies on anything are conducted.. on mice....



shyguy007, you are right that many studies are conducted on mice. But the results don't always translate to humans. There have been more than a few mice studies involving supposed hair growth agents that don't seem to work on humans. I did find this study very interesting though, especially how black tea supposedly lowered DHT but green tea increased it.
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shyguy, nice to see your insanity is continuing to extend its range....
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Yup, I wrote the study...
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The study is crap for numerous reasons.

1.They do not tell readers whether or not the increases in testosterone and DHT were only bioactive hormone or bioactive and bound hormone. If it's the later, then there is nothing to worry about.

2.Green Tea has been said to increase SHBG. By increasing the binding of these hormones, the body thinks there is less in the general circulation, which means it will produce more to compensate.

3.Green tea is all the mice were given to drink, which means that incredible increases in SHBG could have been seen with a subsequent spike in hormone levels as the body tried to compensate for the increased binding.

4.The study is too vague to draw any conclusions from and I'd recommend not taking it seriously until in vivo results are seen in humans with not only DHT and testosterone measured, but also SHBG, 5AR activity, and precursor hormone and release hormone availability.

A 194% spike in hormone levels can still be within normal ranges. Especially, when no initial hormone levels are even listed.

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Having had a brief look at the study, I hve 2 comments:

(1) Although there is an increase in T and DHT in green tea -treated mice, it is not statistically significant (anybody had a look at the error bars??)

(2) There is no statistically significant change in xenografted prostate tumor weight between control animals and those that received green tea. Although they should have increased androgen levels (or not? see (1)), there is also NO increased expression of the gene PSA (prostate-specific antigen) in the green tea-treated mice. PSA is a very well-known androgen-regulated gene, which should be upregulated if there were more (active) androgen around. The fact that it isn´t adds to the notion that there really isn´t any increase in androgen levels, at least not bioactive androgen.

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Has Green Tea Extract actually helped anyones hair? It's helped me loose the bloated face from I think Minox and helped my sex drive, which was a bit down. Can anyone here say Green Tea has done something for their hair?
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Here is a good website for this topic: What does a Tea Leaf contain?, be sure to scroll down to the "health benefits" section too. Though I've given up green tea for the better tasting and less processed White Tea (along with Rooibos) I certainly would not give up all of those health benefits for this one study. Not to mention all of the other data that shows that tea is supposed to be GOOD for hair growth. Who knows, maybe its one of these catechins that does increase DHT and for some reason this test had used some extract with an abornmally higher ratio of this particular catechin, maybe one day they'll say that drinking WATER exacerbates hair loss. Just don't believe every "study" you read on the internet. Especially when the sample size of this particular result is apparently only 1.
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WTF I've been drinking 3cups a day for the past year because it was supposed to reduce DHT and help hairloss. Now I find out the reverse is true. Seriously I've got to move on. NOTHING WORKS
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There we go, another one bites the dust with a less healthy lifestyle by giving up tea! It's a tad bit amusing.
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why is it amusing? I've been drinking it to keep my hair and now I find out it is making it fall out faster. It would be foolish to continue
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FYI, what are you basing your hypothesis that your drinking green tea is making your hair fall out faster? Read my previous message by the way.

What I find amusing, is that if I made a post that mentioned that "drinking bottled water causes hairloss" and pointed to some erroneous study (not saying shyguy did) I would bet somebody would stop drinking water because of it!! I'm not saying it'd be you either. If you REALLY believe that drinking green tea is making your hair fall out then switch over to drinking some white or black tea and some rooibos then to retain the health benefits you've been giving yourself the past few years. Also not to mention, that study cites green tea extracts, not brewed green tea, and not white or black tea either which are also known to be just as healthy.
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Bump... anyone else who wants to comment on green tea?
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Bump... anyone else who wants to comment on green tea?


I currently drink white tea (silver needle and white peony) instead of green tea. I like the taste better and there is some evidence that white tea may provide even greater health benefits than green tea. But who really knows.

But I really doubt the validity of the study that started this thread. If Green Tea raised T and DHT by those levels, athletes and bodybuilders would be drinking it by the truckload. But it doesn't have that affect. Again this vague study was conducted on mice and not humans. Please show me a study on real people with well documented controls.
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Wolverine, I was going to say the exact same thing. White tea tastes better and is better for you than green tea!
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arrggg, im only reading about this now. been taking green tea for a year+. whats the consensus on green tea now? maybe i should drop it
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I know "immortal hair" at regrowth still recommend green tea for hairloss. And he is one of the most educated on naturals according to alot of ppl...
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I will never ever ever ever give up Green tea. I find it to be the most amazing wake up drink ever, it doesn't make you crash later on like coffee and it's benefits are amazing. Take a f'ing hike on this damn topic!!
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Reports on DHT and GREEN TEA are confusing. However, it appears that the COMBINATION of GREEN TEA and SOY decrease both SERUM DHT and SERUM TESTOSTERONE. Here is the report from pubmed.com:

Although high doses of single bioactive agents may have potent anticancer effects, the chemopreventive properties of the Asian diet may result from interactions among several components that potentiate the activities of any single constituent. In Asia, where intake of soy products and tea consumption are very high, aggressive prostate cancer is significantly less prevalent in Asian men. The objective of the present study was to identify possible synergistic effects between soy and tea components on prostate tumor progression in a mouse model of orthotopic androgen-sensitive human prostate cancer. Soy phytochemical concentrate (SPC), black tea and green tea were compared with respect to tumorigenicity rate, primary tumor growth, tumor proliferation index and microvessel density, serum androgen level and metastases to lymph nodes. SPC, black tea and green tea significantly reduced tumorigenicity. SPC and black tea also significantly reduced final tumor weights. Green tea did not reduce final tumor weight, although it tended to elevate (P = 0.14) the serum dihydrotestosterone (DHT) concentration. The combination of SPC and black tea synergistically inhibited prostate tumorigenicity, final tumor weight and metastases to lymph nodes in vivo. The combination of SPC and green tea synergistically inhibited final tumor weight and metastasis and significantly reduced serum concentrations of both testosterone and DHT in vivo. Inhibition of tumor progression was associated with reduced tumor cell proliferation and tumor angiogenesis. This study suggests that further research is warranted to study the role of soy and tea combination as effective nutritional regimens in prostate cancer prevention.

So, while green tea alone seems to increase SERUM DHT, the COMBINATION of GREEN TEA and SOY seems to decrease DHT.
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I'm constantly drinking a type of bottled Green Tea Iced Tea (I don't know if I need tea twice there...) If this study were true then is that also harmful?
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If it's increasing dht, it's probably type 1 enzyme. In any event, I take 500-700 mg of green tea extract daily and have not seen any evidence of increased dht activity. My hair has never been better.

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Using green tea to grow hair probably relates to the evidence for influencing
circulating hormones in the body. A high intake of green tea correlates to higher
levels of sex hormone-binding protein - or globulin, which carries hormones
like testosterone around the body in a bound, unusable form so that tissues
cannot use it directly. Testosterone is usually carried around the body by this
binding protein, therefore, reducing levels of free testosterone, so that it
cannot be converted to dihydrotestosterone (DHT) in the hair follicle, which
is thought to shorten the hair cycle and cause hair loss in men. Green
tea is thought to effect the 5a-reductase type I enzyme,
which converts testosterone to DHT. There are two forms of 5a-reductase, and
type I is the enzyme in higher amounts around the body, but it
is the type II enzyme, which is thought to be responsible for
most of the DHT formed in the hair follicle. Finasteride/Propecia effects
or inhibits the type II form found in hair follicle.
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In any case, the 5a-reductase enzymes can be confusing when you try to figure
out what type I does and what type II does and what the difference is for hair
growth. From a hair growth perspective, both can be important, it is just that
Merck makes a big hype about the fact that their product, finasteride/Propecia
inhibits type II and this is supposed to be the main enzyme form found in hair
follicle, however, research work done in my lab a few years ago, revealed both
forms in hair follicle, and also sebaceous glands. If anything, the type I enzyme
is found mostly in sebaceous gland, which is just next door to the hair follicle
and can also effect the level of male hormones around the hair follicle.

Again, no clinical studies have been done to show efficacy of green tea for
hair loss, so it is up to the user to be aware of the cost, side effects, the
fact that no proper dose level is known to effect hair growth, etc.
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I would say if you are using both Propecia and Green Tea you got the DHT pin down.
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Stop using GREEN TEA!!!! 194% DHT increase!!!

Next Olympic will be testing the Athlete for Green Tea in their blood.

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Ok, Ill chime in. Im 44. Have had a full, non receding head of hair for 43.5 years. 6 months ago I switched from coffee to green tea and was drinking several large cups a day/. My hair began shedding like crazy. The dermatologist couldnt explain it and she told me to stop the green tea. It was the only change in diet/lifestyle made at that time. She wasnt sure but since that seemed to coincide with the trigger, we are going to give it 6 months and see if it comes back. Hope its not the green tea because i enjoy all of the health benefits, but i do like my hair!


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I've changed my diet to lose some excess weight, I eat around 1200 to 2000 calories a day, Whole wheat, Lean protein, healthy fats, and I pound the hell out of Green Tea, I mean like ten cups a day, I've been doing this for a while, and I believe my hairloss has slowed signigicantly. I am on nothing else, no fin, no minox, nothing.
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How do you feel on 1200 Calories a day ?

Im currently at 1350-1400, some days I feel really full others I SOOO hungry lol, but my weight loss is my main goal

How come you use nothin for ure hair loss ? I jw

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I believe it, that sh*t made my hair fall out too! I thought it was hypo since my skin got oily like it did on propecia. Who knows what caused it but I do know taking green tea caps did in fact increase my hair loss.
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one week it grows hair the next it makes it fall out? why doesnt everyon just go with teh FDA approved hairloss...i bet people spend more money on this stuff then the things that really do work
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If Green Tea made men go bald every man in China, who drinks it, and a few other Countries wud be NW6, and their not.....

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Originally posted by: matt27

I believe it, that sh*t made my hair fall out too! I thought it was hypo since my skin got oily like it did on propecia. Who knows what caused it but I do know taking green tea caps did in fact increase my hair loss.


Hmm, I've been drinking this everyday for a long time now and I'm also suffering from hair loss and greasy skin. Perhaps I'll try cutting the green tea out for a while?
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Im on the CLA !

First week lost 2.5lbs (shud of lost around 2lbs)
Second week lost 2lbs (shud of been around 1.5lbs)

*shud of=calories in minus calories out

Extra loss cud be due to the CLA !

This week, every day,1500 in and 3000 (ish) out shud lose 3lbs, will let you know result !

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Twister,

That's awesome man, that stuff has really helped me out. How much are you taking? I started out at three grams, which was what the bottle recommended, after about a month of letting my body get used to it, I hiked it up to four grams (took an extra pill right after my workout.)

I lost forty pounds in two months on that stuff and a lean protein, whole-whest diet. Best of luck, keep me updated.
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Why do people always use hair shedding as some immediate marker for whether something does or doesn't work? The most immediate physical feedback that you can have is probably how oily or not your skin is. Your hair is a few months behind everything else. Meaning if you take something and notice a shed, it could very well be something else from months prior.
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"The catechins help inhibit 5-alpha-reductase, which contributes to baldness. If you like technical jargon, here's what Dr. Marty Sawaya says about the the benefits, "Using green tea to grow hair probably relates to the evidence for influencing circulating hormones in the body. A high intake of green tea correlates to higher levels of sex hormone-binding protein - or globulin, which carries hormones like testosterone around the body in a bound, unusable form so that tissues cannot use it directly.

Testosterone is usually carried around the body by this binding protein, therefore, reducing levels of free testosterone, so that it cannot be converted to dihydrotestosterone (DHT) in the hair follicle, which is thought to shorten the hair cycle and cause hair loss in men."



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Can the bound testosteone it causes attach to follicles itself?

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yes I have also seen this thread. It was shocking news for me. Because I like green tea much.

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Are you guys talking about 1 cup of green tea everyday or EOD?

Or are you talking about like 10 cups a day?

I mean everything in high doses is bad for you.

I've read stories that green tea is good for hair loss but I don't even drink it for that anyway. It makes my skin feel awesome.

I have 1 cup a day in the morning and practically have no shedding whatsoever. I've been drinking the stuff for like 8 months.
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Supplement Facts
Serving Size: 1 Capsule
Servings per Container: 100
Amount Per Serving % Daily Value
Green Tea Extract [standardized 98% polyphenols, 80% catechins, 50% EGCG (leaves) 500 mg *
*Daily value not established.

http://www.vitacost.com/NSI-Green-Tea-Extract

Would supplements like this cause more hairless or lessen it? People posting too many contradicting things!
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I use to drink green tea on and off for a few years. Just recently (3 months or so) I started drinking green tea 3 or more times daily, mostly because I like it, and it's benefits. Nothing negative has happened to my hair, and I don't honestly think anything will. There is far more evidence suggesting green tea is beneficial then harmful for hair, at least as far as I've seen.

Side Note: I drink mine with a tablespoon of organic honey and lemon juice and I've lost about 15lbs of water weight because of it. So hurray for that.

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Hmmmm is that why i see in bodybuilding sites Green tree Extract???

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Sorry to drag up an ancient thread, but this always pops up in google when you search "green tea and hair loss," and I just wanted to give my opinions on Green Tea and my personal experience with it.

To start off with, I'd just like to explain that my main technique to fight hair-loss is Balayam, an ancient Yoga technique of finger nail rubbing to stimulate the hair follicles.
When I practice Balayam, I experience tingling and various sensations in the scalp, and I've noticed new hairs coming through using this technique. It definitely works and is an extremely effective way to stimulate the scalp.

Now the interesting thing is, when I first came to green tea - hoping it would strengthen my battle against hair-loss - I noticed as soon as I would drink a cup, I would get this same sensation in my scalp as when I do Balayam. I've only been drinking green tea a few weeks, but stil there is definitely this sensation in the scalp from drinking this stuff. It's also very sustained. It's not like Balayam, where I'd get the sensation only when rubbing the nails. The effect of this drink would give me this sensation for a sustained amount of time.

I believe the ancient beliefs and opinions on green tea and its benefits for hair growth are linked mostly to the stimulating effects it has on the body, and how that stimulates the scalp.
It probably doesn't have a positive (or much of a negative) impact on DHT at all.

The thing is though, caffeine does make you more horny and raises your sex-drive. It's a powerful stimulant which has always been regarded in Eastern cultures as something that raises sex drive, so all caffeinated teas (drinks) will impact testosterone and DHT levels in men. The caffeine in green tea is very subtle and works very differently to the caffeines in say black tea. The caffeine in green tea gives you a subtle kick for a much more prolonged time, meaning that cup after cup will build a very strong and sustained injection of caffeine, making you horny.

So bearing this in mind, green tea may have a negative impact on DHT levels, but then again there may be countless other wonderous aspects of green tea that would mintigate that slight drawback.

My main point though is that green tea will definitely stimulate your scalp in a very good way. This I have seen and felt first-hand. It's a magical drink that has numerous positive effects on the mind and body, including the scalp. i wouldn't give it up based on the OP.
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Originally posted by: PANTHEIST

Sorry to drag up an ancient thread, but this always pops up in google when you search "green tea and hair loss," and I just wanted to give my opinions on Green Tea and my personal experience with it.

To start off with, I'd just like to explain that my main technique to fight hair-loss is Balayam, an ancient Yoga technique of finger nail rubbing to stimulate the hair follicles.
When I practice Balayam, I experience tingling and various sensations in the scalp, and I've noticed new hairs coming through using this technique. It definitely works and is an extremely effective way to stimulate the scalp.

Now the interesting thing is, when I first came to green tea - hoping it would strengthen my battle against hair-loss - I noticed as soon as I would drink a cup, I would get this same sensation in my scalp as when I do Balayam. I've only been drinking green tea a few weeks, but stil there is definitely this sensation in the scalp from drinking this stuff. It's also very sustained. It's not like Balayam, where I'd get the sensation only when rubbing the nails. The effect of this drink would give me this sensation for a sustained amount of time.

I believe the ancient beliefs and opinions on green tea and its benefits for hair growth are linked mostly to the stimulating effects it has on the body, and how that stimulates the scalp.
It probably doesn't have a positive (or much of a negative) impact on DHT at all.

The thing is though, caffeine does make you more horny and raises your sex-drive. It's a powerful stimulant which has always been regarded in Eastern cultures as something that raises sex drive, so all caffeinated teas (drinks) will impact testosterone and DHT levels in men. The caffeine in green tea is very subtle and works very differently to the caffeines in say black tea. The caffeine in green tea gives you a subtle kick for a much more prolonged time, meaning that cup after cup will build a very strong and sustained injection of caffeine, making you horny.

So bearing this in mind, green tea may have a negative impact on DHT levels, but then again there may be countless other wonderous aspects of green tea that would mintigate that slight drawback.

My main point though is that green tea will definitely stimulate your scalp in a very good way. This I have seen and felt first-hand. It's a magical drink that has numerous positive effects on the mind and body, including the scalp. i wouldn't give it up based on the OP.




Well hello there....So your another disciple of Balayam [Youtube ] like Jimmyoneshot.. Rub a dub dub..lol
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@ majorsixth: You're a bit of a dick mate, no offence. I read through your shit in the balayam thread, and you're basically uptight coz other people are getting benefits from a practice you're not willing to do (probably thru laziness or sheer embarrassment)

Balayam works btw

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Originally posted by: PANTHEIST

@ majorsixth: You're a bit of a dick mate, no offence. I read through your shit in the balayam thread, and you're basically uptight coz other people are getting benefits from a practice you're not willing to do (probably thru laziness or sheer embarrassment)

Balayam works btw




Lol dude....Well over a year ago me and Jimmyoneshot Where having this same debate on this forum. Jimmy got banned from here because he insulted the moderater too many times.

I will give Jimmy his due, as he continued to defend and practicing this nail rubbing for over a year and in the end he has come to the conlusion it's nonsense in fact he as stated this in his replies to SK. By the way SK acknowledges Jimmy as his greatest supporter in his posts and is very sorry that Jimmy as awoke from this ridiculous practice.

Here is a post written by jimmy taken from youtube.

@eyesonyouu And as for my changing opinion about balayam - There is no more valid opinion than one from a person that once believed that balayam could help them and practiced it so much and then had their eyes opened to the truth that it simply DOES NOT WORK. If you? have any evidence of yoga practices can cure ailments that are otherwise uncurable hairloss or otherwise please feel free to cough it up otherwise you're more likely to convince me that pigs crap gold bars in India.
Jimmyoneshot7 6months ago



Please note the words in his post DOES NOT WORK. This is well after a year of nail rubbing and fighting others that questioned it.... It's your turn to wake up..
Hopefully jimmy is now treating his hair loss with proper approaches.

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Caffeine impacts testosterone levels ? Since when?
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Oooooooh, ao 1 perso from this forum got no results, so I should give up too?

I've grown about a third of my hair back thanks to this technique, so I'm not quitting any time soon.

The problem is, if an individual has serious DHT problems, no amount of balayam is gonna fix the problem.
You have to tackle the DHT issue as well, and the best way to do that is to cut down sex / masturbation.

It's most likely this Jimmy fella was jacking off just as much as he was rubbing his nails, which defeats the point.

The whole point of any yoga or yoga technique is self-control. W/out it the technique becomes pointless.

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This Balayam is nonsense and there is not a shred of evidence that rubbing your nails does anything for your hair, despite this technique being around for decades.

This Balayam wasted a lot of people's time here a year ago and I'm not letting this thing start up again.

Pantheist, if you claim you grew a third of your hair back by doing nothing more than rubbing your fingernails together then send me pics to prove it at the address you received when you opened your account.

Your account is closed until I receive proof that you are legit because you came here to reactivate a long dormant thread about green tea extolling it's benefits and then suddenly you're attributing your alleged results to rubbing your fingernails together.

Also, just to point out something, there is no connection between having tingling in your scalp to regrowing your hair.

Many things can cause your scalp to tingle that have no effect on hair growth while at the same time there are things that do cause hair growth but cause no scalp tingle.

Scalp tingling does not mean hair growth is taking place. You can apply peppermint oil to your scalp and have a tingle, but peppermint oil does not grow hair.

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Late last year, I started working at home - and started drinking cold green tea for most of the day (coffee in the morning, as always). I thought it would be good for me, I usually had green tea (one glass with lunch) at my work, so I continued drinking it but in a much larger quantity (about 3-4 tall glasses a day). A few months after starting this, my hair started falling out in increasing amounts. This went on for a period of time, and I examined EVERY change I had made over the months. I could identify nothing other than the increase in green tea consumption. I was going nuts about my hair loss - in large amounts every time I brushed or washed my hair - it was really disturbing. I then stopped drinking green tea because I was getting tired of drinking it so much and switched to lemon water. Within a few weeks, my hair stopped falling out. Then I found this forum, about green tea possibly causing hair loss. That nailed it for me. I will not drink green tea again, my hair is now substantially more thin and it may take a long time to grow back in. I just hope it does grow back! For me, green tea certainly caused hair loss!
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BUMP, anyone is still on green tea? What is your experiences with hair? Is it good or bad? Or it doesn,t do nothing regarding hair? Thanks
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BUMP, anyone is still on green tea? What is your experiences with hair? Is it good or bad? Or it doesn,t do nothing regarding hair? Thanks


It's likely that it has no effect. If it increased DHT and T in the numbers as the study claims then no bodybuilder would bother with steroids and have a cuppa instead.
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Originally posted by: swissTemples

Originally posted by: riloal



BUMP, anyone is still on green tea? What is your experiences with hair? Is it good or bad? Or it doesn,t do nothing regarding hair? Thanks




It's likely that it has no effect. If it increased DHT and T in the numbers as the study claims then no bodybuilder would bother with steroids and have a cuppa instead. [IMG][/IMG]


On this website I have read that raising testosterone is good for hair:

Saw Palmetto Phytosterols in combination with Astaxanthin:Research conducted by Triarco, an American Biotech company, found that this combination not only lowers serum DHT, but Estrogen as well. In addition it was found to raise Testosterone, giving a multi-hormonal benefit for both hair growth, libido, and overall health.


http://www.hairloss-research.o...aAlternative2014.html

So high testosterone is really good for hair?

Do you think the green tea extract and black tea extract are better than green and black tea for hair? Is it true that one pill of extract from tea contains much more concentration of some ingredients (for example theaflavins, catechins - including EGCG) than one cup of tea?

This EGCG is something good for hair:

Green tea is a popular worldwide beverage, and its potential beneficial effects such as anti-cancer and anti-oxidant properties are believed to be mediated by epigallocatechin-3-gallate (EGCG), a major constituent of polyphenols. Recently, it was reported that EGCG might be useful in the prevention or treatment of androgenetic alopecia by selectively inhibiting 5alpha-reductase activity. However, no report has been issued to date on the effect of EGCG on human hair growth. This study was undertaken to measure the effect of EGCG on hair growth in vitro and to investigate its effect on human dermal papilla cells (DPCs) in vivo and in vitro. EGCG promoted hair growth in hair follicles ex vivo culture and the proliferation of cultured DPCs.


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17092697

Theaflavins in black tea are also good for hair:

Black Tea (Theaflavin) Extract:Studies in both humans and animals have documented the ability of Theaflavins to reduce serum/plasma DHT, reduce Estrogen and raise Testosterone, with a noted increases in libido and male function. Its ability to lower DHT levels by 72% are almost identical to that of Proscar,( a higher dose of finasteride of 5mg, vs 1 mg finasteride for Propecia) and superior to that of Propecia, which lowers serum DHT by 65%. Unlike either Proscar or Propecia, both Theaflavins and Green Tea Extract also provide additional anti-inflammation effects that are beneficial for hair.


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So the more theaflavins and catechins in the the tea/tea extract the better?
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morgan
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I drink a lot of green tea as well as take it occasionally in supplement form (stacked with caffiene preworkout). I use it for its' myriad of purported health benefits.

I don't think it does much of anything one way or the other for hair.
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when you took 10-20 grams of green tea extract, how high did you T levels rise to?
how did you take it ? e.g., smoothie, caps etc?

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ShyGuy007,

when you took 10-20 grams of green tea extract, how high did you T levels rise to?
how did you take it ? e.g., smoothie, caps etc?

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There is no way green tea does that... Bodybuilders would be chugging green tea.
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Originally posted by: Myboyblue13

There is no way green tea does that... Bodybuilders would be chugging green tea.


I assume you did see the quote on the previous page, which says this:
Hmmmm is that why i see in bodybuilding sites Green tree Extract???

Does this answer your question? Go to Page 5 and you'll see this post. Now let me share a personal anecdote. I work in an office with quite a few Asian women, and they all have bad thinning hair. I couldn't figure out why these Asian ladies' hair was so thin, until I looked closer and noticed that they were always sipping tea from a cup, both in their cubicles and at meetings. When I asked what kind of tea it was, they told me it was Green Tea. I guess green tea is popular in Chinese culture. I then drew the connection, based on what we know from this thread.
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Originally posted by: ukw

Originally posted by: Myboyblue13



There is no way green tea does that... Bodybuilders would be chugging green tea.




I assume you did see the quote on the previous page, which says this:

Hmmmm is that why i see in bodybuilding sites Green tree Extract???



Does this answer your question? Go to Page 5 and you'll see this post. Now let me share a personal anecdote. I work in an office with quite a few Asian women, and they all have bad thinning hair. I couldn't figure out why these Asian ladies' hair was so thin, until I looked closer and noticed that they were always sipping tea from a cup, both in their cubicles and at meetings. When I asked what kind of tea it was, they told me it was Green Tea. I guess green tea is popular in Chinese culture. I then drew the connection, based on what we know from this thread.


They also sell testosterone boosters that are garbage. Just more ways to make money. If you want to post a creditable link, go for it. 194% increase with the most anabolic hormone would be DRAMATIC muscle gain. Therefore this is bullshit that someone wrongly interpreted.
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With all due respect, I have read nothing but positive things about drinking green tea by itself. I have not heard too much about egcg, but to add on to what one poster mentioned, one can drive him/herself crazy with researching what can exacerbate hair loss.

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You may have heard nothing but positive things about green tea by itself, but that doesn't mean that its general health benefits include hair benefits.

In other words, don't commit the "good health = good hair" fallacy. Some of the things promoted as healthy in popular culture are actually bad for hair. For example, I discovered in my own studies that some "healthy" veggies like sweet potatoes and leafy greens increase shedding. Turns out too much Vitamin A in those foods can cause shedding. But almost no one writes about that, the assumption in popular culture is that vitamins certainly can't be bad for hair, because they're good for general health.
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