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 08/17/2009 10:20 AM
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I understand exactly what you mean. I am also sure there are many aspects of the human body that science has yet to understand. Hairloss is included in that facet. We still do not know everything there is to know about it and there is much more to learn.

I just want to make sure that everything is taking with a healthy amount of skepticism and realistic expectations are present.

That being said, the only way we learn is by trying things. You'll never know if something works or not unless you try it for yourself.
 08/17/2009 10:31 AM
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Originally posted by: RedX

I understand exactly what you mean. I am also sure there are many aspects of the human body that science has yet to understand. Hairloss is included in that facet. We still do not know everything there is to know about it and there is much more to learn.



I just want to make sure that everything is taking with a healthy amount of skepticism and realistic expectations are present.



That being said, the only way we learn is by trying things. You'll never know if something works or not unless you try it for yourself.


Yep. Exactly. The way I see it if this thing was to work, maybe not even to regrow hair, coz part of me deep down is thinking that this SK guy may have lost his hair due to something other than mpb and gained it back due to something other than balayam naturally yet he just thought balayam was what was helping, but to have some benefit then I would rather get in on it now than have people who have adopted it telling me how it has worked for them six months down the line with me missing out.

I would encourage yourself and others to do the same. Be skeptical definitely but people were probably skeptical of the guy who said the world was round (although maybe thats a bad analogy because I don't know who said that originally lol).

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 08/17/2009 11:07 AM
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I had just the one main side, reduced semen output

The reduction was over 95%, and upto 100% sometimes....I cudnt cope with that
So, it was very tangable as I admit alot of sides *can* be in ure head

I did feel dizzy and light headed at times, but have no proof this was due to Finasteride

Plus I read about worse sides with other guys, so decided the Pro's didnt outway the Con's in this respect

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 08/17/2009 01:23 PM
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Yep I've heard too. I really haven't had anything bad myself although one thing I have noticed from time to time is a lack of concentration sometimes even when speaking which can result in stuttering or saying the wrong word sometimes.

Sounds strange but it was something I'd heard of before the medication so then again it could be in my head.

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 08/18/2009 10:48 PM
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Here is my update thus far - 1 week of using a massager on my fingers nails for 10-15 minutes 2x a day.

- Am shedding like a mofo

- makes my feet tingle when I'm doing it and ten minutes or so there after.

- I sleep like a freaking baby after doing it before bed (could not fall asleep easily before)

Are these things related? Placebe effect? Only time will tell. Although it is interesting. Will keep everyone who cares informed. Anyone else have these effects with just rubbing your finger nails?
 08/19/2009 12:22 AM
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Pick34, you are doing it wrong, no equipment required.

jimmyoneshot, so are you saying you notice thicker hair despite shedding more???
 08/19/2009 02:07 AM
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Originally posted by: Thyroids

Pick34, you are doing it wrong, no equipment required.



jimmyoneshot, so are you saying you notice thicker hair despite shedding more???


It seems so but for now I strongly emphasize SEEMS because I'm always skeptical. I'm simply noticing very tiny hairs on an area that was more or less thinned out before. But by tiny I mean tiny so I need to give it longer.

Ok course it's possible that they may just be miniaturized hairs that I've never noticed before but do now under scrutiny or my hair could simply be in its growth phase (orwhatever it is technically called) but it seems like what is called "peach fuzz".

I'm going to give it the long haul 6 - 9 months before I pass judgement, same as with Propecia and Rogaine.

If your going to try it I say give it a chance. Things like rogaine and propecia are said to take 3 months for some, a year for others and not at all for others. Who knows maybe this will be the same.

To Pick34 Pick I think Thyroids right about the method. I'm no expert on it but I'd do it the way the guy does it in the video to be sure. I seem to remember him saying that rubbing a nail on one hand with a different nail on the other would be "ineffective" (i.e rubbing first finger of left on middle finger of right wouldn't work/would work less) so I don't know if using a massager would be similarly ineffective although I could be wrong and your way could work great.

It's complicated stuff this fingernail rubbing lol.

Send him a message and see what he thinks would be the best thing to do I think.

I too have noticed shedding so it may well be working.

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 08/19/2009 08:49 AM
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Originally posted by: Pick34

Here is my update thus far - 1 week of using a massager on my fingers nails for 10-15 minutes 2x a day.

- Am shedding like a mofo

- makes my feet tingle when I'm doing it and ten minutes or so there after.

- I sleep like a freaking baby after doing it before bed (could not fall asleep easily before)

Are these things related? Placebe effect? Only time will tell. Although it is interesting. Will keep everyone who cares informed. Anyone else have these effects with just rubbing your finger nails?


Said it before in another post: if anything, I see this as having a placebo effect (ie: the person expects it to be helping when in reality it doesn't do much - but due to their mindset in effect it's relieving some stress, etc). Yoga in general relieves stress, which is surely a way to help hair.

I suppose there could be the outside chance that it's sort of like acupuncture, where certain nerve endings have desired effects elsewhere. Like parts of your feet and hands for curing headaches, etc. Btw, nerve endings don't have to be linked to have certain effects throughout the body.

Hell, you can even do this for free when researching the next product to blow your money on. Listen, we're all here for the same reason, so try not to slam anyone. Yes this seems ridiculous - but at a minimum it gives people hope and honestly I can relate it to a yoga exercise. Yoga relieves stress, stress causes hairloss. At some fundamental level this exercise isn't BAD, so let it go and stick to the topic.

FYI: I don't use fin. or minox. and never will I think due to sides. I'm trying to go all natural in hopes of just reducing shed and hairloss - probably can't regrow much just natural but you never know. I think I'll take this up as well just for the heck of it and so that I can provide a source where it can be shown that effects are from this...and not minox. and fin. I did it yesterday and actually felt a little more energized, and not sluggish at work like usual. Parts of my body, including my scalp were a little tender to the touch for a while and I did get tingling in my feet and elsewhere. Will update periodically.
 08/19/2009 09:24 AM
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Good points. Lets hope you're right about it possibly being feasible as a hair loss treatment.

When someone believes in something so strongly from first hand experience like SK the guy in the videos does it makes me think "hold on, could this actually be true?" Which is mainly my reason for undertaking it.

If someone swore to me constantly that rubbing jam on their head cured their hair loss I'd be skeptical but this method seems to at least have been mentioned in some ways in the past, admittedly, mostly in old wives tales but still it has had enough of a mention to seem feasible and not completely imagined.

As for the placebo effect, I put WAY more faith in Propecia and Rogaine (which I still take) than this and never noticed any benefit so I'm always the sort of person who looks on the negative side which is why I'm giving it a fair bit of time, 6 months at least before I pass true judgement on this method.

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 08/19/2009 05:39 PM
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I heard rumors that this fingernail rubbing cures hair loss well before that Youtube guy or the website was made. I don't know if it will work but it's free so what the heck, I will try it too. So you must rub the same finger nails together for the best chances of success? e.g. index finger placed on opposite thumb rubbed by that hands index finger? baby finger placed on opposite thumb rubbed by that hands baby finger? If so, my baby fingers won't reach when placed on my thumb...

Why can't one do all finger nails at once? e.g. bring hands together, bend fingers so they touch each other, keep thumbs erect then rub nails together?

Edited: 08/19/2009 at 06:02 PM by goten574
 08/19/2009 08:26 PM
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This technique was originally called Reflexology , Edgar Cayce said that rubbing your fingernails together would stimulate hair growth . I tried this about 15 years ago and found that I started to shed a lot of hairs , i quit it then . He also said pure crude oil rubbed into your scalp would cure hairloss , never tried that one .
 08/20/2009 01:34 PM
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It is my understanding that a huge shed is a sign of good things to come, is this true? Surely if rubbing your fingernails together relates to hair, it can't cause more damage than good right?
 08/20/2009 10:28 PM
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This smells like the return of Ernie to me...I've been plucking chest hairs for f**king 12 years to no avail, now this?



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 08/20/2009 11:07 PM
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Originally posted by: jimmyoneshot

Originally posted by: Thyroids



Pick34, you are doing it wrong, no equipment required.







jimmyoneshot, so are you saying you notice thicker hair despite shedding more???




It seems so but for now I strongly emphasize SEEMS because I'm always skeptical. I'm simply noticing very tiny hairs on an area that was more or less thinned out before. But by tiny I mean tiny so I need to give it longer.



Ok course it's possible that they may just be miniaturized hairs that I've never noticed before but do now under scrutiny or my hair could simply be in its growth phase (orwhatever it is technically called) but it seems like what is called "peach fuzz".



I'm going to give it the long haul 6 - 9 months before I pass judgement, same as with Propecia and Rogaine.



If your going to try it I say give it a chance. Things like rogaine and propecia are said to take 3 months for some, a year for others and not at all for others. Who knows maybe this will be the same.



To Pick34 Pick I think Thyroids right about the method. I'm no expert on it but I'd do it the way the guy does it in the video to be sure. I seem to remember him saying that rubbing a nail on one hand with a different nail on the other would be "ineffective" (i.e rubbing first finger of left on middle finger of right wouldn't work/would work less) so I don't know if using a massager would be similarly ineffective although I could be wrong and your way could work great.



It's complicated stuff this fingernail rubbing lol.



Send him a message and see what he thinks would be the best thing to do I think.



I too have noticed shedding so it may well be working.


Jimmyoneshot,

I'm massaging both of my index fingers at the same time...ect. So my theory is that It's exactly like rubbing both of my fingers on each had together, but to a more extreme extent.

But I could be wrong. I've tried it both ways, and it's my opinion that the massaging seems to feel as if it does more (not in results wise, only been doing it a week) but the tips of my fingers feel as if they have their own pulse after I'm done.

Only time will tell,

cheers

 08/21/2009 05:54 AM
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I'll send him a message for you about the way you are doing it and I'll see what he says and copy and paste his response to you here.

One thing that I am now pretty sure that I am seeing from this is hairs at the very front of my hairline that used to grow only to a very short length (miniatureised) are growing longer.

I read somewhere that this technique doesn't actually cure hair loss but speedens hair growth of existing hair and keeps it in it's growth phase for longer periods of time as it was used by Indian women to whom long hair is extremely valued.

But this may be a contradiction as I've also read that there is no such thing as hair being 'lost', it just falls out and the hair that replaces it gets shorter and thinner with each regrowth until it is invisible to the naked eye, but if this technique is indeed making such hairs thicker and longer isn't this alone reverting the balding process or would it just be helping out short term i.e. when these unminiatureised hairs fall out again naturally the hairs that regrow will be miniatureised ones?

To understand this I'm trying to understand hair loss and hair growth as a whole. Lets just imagine this technique was actually keeping hairs in their growth phase for longer, is this very thing curing hair loss?

Forget about DHT and the things that cause the hair loss. I'm talking about in relation to actual hair growth. What would a technique, Balayam or otherwise, need to accomplish at the basic hair growth level to effectively 'cure' hair loss?

Lets ASSUME that this technique actually does keep hair in it's growth phase for longer meaning that it is able to have more time to grow to a thicker and longer extent. Now going by this, if miniatureised hairs were to grow to a longer and thicker extent than usual, fall out and then regrow to the same thickness and length that they were before they fell out and carry on growing for a longer period of time if Balayam is still being done consistently would THIS revert hair back into it's natural state, if it worked of course?

I'm just trying to understand what would be required at the hair growth level to in theory cure baldness.

Also based on the assumption that it works would it not also be best to use a 'triple hit' of the best regimen i.e. Finasteride (or it's equivalent), to tackle DHT and Minoxidil and Balayam to promote hair growth? This is my current regimen.

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 08/21/2009 08:52 AM
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Originally posted by: goten574...Why can't one do all finger nails at once? e.g. bring hands together, bend fingers so they touch each other, keep thumbs erect then rub nails together?


Good question. I actually did it that way many years ago, but gave it up after a few days. Maybe I'll try it again...
 08/21/2009 11:25 AM
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Originally posted by: rosariorose9

Originally posted by: goten574...Why can't one do all finger nails at once? e.g. bring hands together, bend fingers so they touch each other, keep thumbs erect then rub nails together?




Good question. I actually did it that way many years ago, but gave it up after a few days. Maybe I'll try it again...


I'm not sure on this myself. I think the guys English is not too good and he is just trying to tell people about the way he did it. For all we know that way you described could have the same effect. The only thing I can think of is perhaps you can put more pressure if it's individual nail on nail or it's a more concentrated effect or something like that.

I just know that, the way he desrbes is the way he did it and he says it works for him so that's the way I do it too.

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 08/21/2009 11:42 AM
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that way makes my hand cramp, especially when doing the pinky
 08/21/2009 12:19 PM
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hmmm I think the most I can do it for is like 1 hour per day....
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Originally posted by: Pick34

that way makes my hand cramp, especially when doing the pinky


Me too. I've sort of got used to it a bit over time. I've just had my hair cut really short to the shortest possible before it is 'bic'd' and the thinning patch that I thought I could see before I started doing this, I can't see at all now.

And I am very critical of things like this because the reason why I first started doing this was because I saw a thin spot at the back. The hair is the exact same lengh that I got it cut before I started balayam when I first noticed the patch because the part with the spot was done with 'shears' at my regular barbers.

The front seems better too because last time I got my hair cut I didn't want to go out for a few days as I felt the front looked like it was receding bad but now I don't feel that way. It's far too early to tell as my hair just could have not been in a grwoth phase when I first noticed the patch but is now or something along those lines. I'll keep it up.

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