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Topic Title: There's a difference between Propecia and Proscar.
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Created On: 05/19/2010 06:30 PM
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 05/19/2010 06:30 PM
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Let me say that it's been almost 8 years or even more that I'm taking finasteride. The first 2 year I was on propecia which I've gain a lot and then I wanna to save some money and went with proscar by cuttin the pill in 4. I'm doing this since to this day but lost some hair and didn't maintained it. Now I was reading a guy who post a message on this site that he as been on propecia for 11 years and have all is hair today. So I search some sites and find out that there is a difference between those two pill. Click here and read



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 05/19/2010 07:06 PM
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finasteride has a pretty flat dose resposnse. The amount of fin that may or may not be in each quartered piece of tablet will not effect efficiency.

According to the propecia studies, gains start slowly dropping off after 2 years. So what you are experiencing is pretty typical. There are exceptions. But the point is the suggestion that quarted proscar is some how less efficient than propecia is not accurate.

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 05/19/2010 07:06 PM
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The way I read it is something that has always been disputed. It is the same drug, just in different doses. And the only difference is maintaining an accurate dose. The problem comes down to how evenly the finasteride is distributed in the proscar pill, thus making inaccurate equal doses when splitting.

If you quarter a proscar pill you may only get .75 on day 1, 1.0 on day 2, 1.75 on day 3 and 1.5 on day 4 as an example. Maybe that may lead to a less than ideal result compared to propecia's accurate dose? I'm not sure. I would think 5mg through a 4-5 day cycle rather with propecia or proscar would still serve the same result.

It really is the same medication.
 05/19/2010 07:14 PM
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I would be a little suspicious of that article, what with the ads and links promoting "alternative" treatments surrounding it.

Pretty much all doctors agree pill splitting, fin or others, is safe and effective. Some pills even come with indentations where to split them.
 05/19/2010 07:21 PM
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After reading this, I thought maybe, maybe it does a different by cutting the pill which doesn't give you equal dosage. I'm seeing my doctor in 2 weeks and I might switch to avodart.

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-Rogaine Foam once daily (on and off) since January 2010 on temples only. (No results)
-Change my shampoo to Revita and use Nizoral 2% only once a week.
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-Experimental product since June 1 2013.
 05/19/2010 09:31 PM
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Earth: It doesnt really matter if there not the exact same dosage because 1 month in taking fin your DHT levels would be at a low level EVEN if you stopped Fin for 3-4 days your bodies DHT levels will still be low because it takes time for the normal levels to rise again. So think about it if your taking the slightest bit diff each time you take it, your body wont notice, fin will act as a defense mechanisim to DHT not lowering any further but keeping it at the low level it has brought it down too, And the difference each time you take wont elevate DHT because as ive seen in blood tests 7 days after stopping FIN the DHT was still very low. so whats 0.0005 or 0.005 difference going to do for the DHT? I think nothing. Sometimes you will take more sometimes you will take less it all balances out in the long run.
 05/20/2010 01:50 AM
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Edited: 09/13/2011 at 03:36 AM by majorsixth
 05/20/2010 02:04 AM
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There is another issue at work here and that is generic vs non-generic.

How many people here saying they use Proscar are actually using genuine Merck branded Proscar?

To my knowledge many people here are taking generics and not actual Merck manufactured Proscar.   This is because getting a prescription for Proscar as a young guy is not that easy.

There is a difference between generics and the real thing, they are not 100% identical.

Furthermore, some of the generics sold are fake or watered down drugs.

I personally cannot see how there can be a difference except that you are getting a slightly varying dose each day when you cut Proscar.

Since your body does not make the same amount of DHT every day, I can't see what this is an issue. 

You can take 360 mg aspirin and cut it into quarters and use it for heart attack prevention or you can buy 81mg doses already made.   Nobody has ever claimed that cutting a 360mg aspirin tablet is somehow not as effective.



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 05/20/2010 01:56 PM
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Sometimes I find hard to understand statements like some of the generics sold are fake or watered down drugs. I wonder why a big company would market or sell a watered down version of a particular drug. I beleive all companies making or selling generic drugs in US are FDA regulated. So unless you are buying your pills from an online website with a shoddy repuation, i beleive there will be no waterted down or fake drug. I dont know if those online company make fake ones or how ever they secure these drugs. I used merck's propecia for the first two years but the ridiculously high cost got to me finally and I switched to using finapecia 1mg. I buy my meds from known chemist shops in Mumbai (at $1 for 10 pills) when I visit there so I never have to worry about any genuineness issues. And I have noticed absolutely no difference between the propecia and the finapecia in terms of effectiveness then why pay over 20 times the amount for single pill ?
 05/20/2010 07:48 PM
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Originally posted by: Farrel There is another issue at work here and that is generic vs non-generic.

How many people here saying they use Proscar are actually using genuine Merck branded Proscar?

To my knowledge many people here are taking generics and not actual Merck manufactured Proscar.   This is because getting a prescription for Proscar as a young guy is not that easy.

There is a difference between generics and the real thing, they are not 100% identical.

 

 

I think what you mean is how many people getting Generic Fin are getting it from a U.S pharmacy.

 

Generic drugs in the U.S are exaclty the same as the original version exceot they use different fillers in most cases.

 

http://www.fda.gov/Drugs/ResourcesForYou/ucm167906.htm

 

Generics form places like India, well that's another story.  The same thing goes for any online place you buy from without a script.

 

The current U.S Generic Version of Proscar is made by Teva and comes in football shaped tablets which are harder to cut equally in 4 pieces

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Edited: 09/13/2011 at 03:36 AM by majorsixth
 05/21/2010 10:40 AM
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Originally posted by: majorsixth

You are missing the main point, which is not about whether the finasteride is branded of generic. It's about taking the correct amount for a specific medical condition.

You are taking 1 mg tabs still. I too am taking 1 mg tabs. However, there are those who split a 5 mg tab into four peices. The question is whether taking finasteride in this manner delivers a relatively equal dosage, against taking a 1mg tab.

Something this simple may be the reason behind the amount of guys getting unwanted side effects, however, like i say in my previous post some guys are so clever for them selves they refuse to believe that this could be the case.


I don't buy that theory AT ALL, not the least little bit. Finasteride could be taken over an extraordinarily wide range, like from about 0.2 mg (or even less) to maybe 20 mg or more (a difference of TWO ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE). And you think a daily dose that might vary slightly (one side or the other) from 1.25 mg is going to make a difference? Sorry, I don't believe it.
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Edited: 09/13/2011 at 03:36 AM by majorsixth
 05/21/2010 12:04 PM
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Originally posted by: majorsixth

Originally posted by: Bryan

I don't buy that theory AT ALL, not the least little bit. Finasteride could be taken over an extraordinarily wide range, like from about 0.2 mg (or even less) to maybe 20 mg or more (a difference of TWO ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE). And you think a daily dose that might vary slightly (one side or the other) from 1.25 mg is going to make a difference? Sorry, I don't believe it.[/Q

This is exactly what i mean by people who think they know it all !


Said the person who couldn't even write his post well enough to get his attributions formatted correctly!
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Edited: 09/13/2011 at 03:37 AM by majorsixth
 05/23/2010 07:04 PM
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Anyone saying that 1mg propecia is more effective than 5mg proscar cut into quarters is trying to sell something. As several posters have mentioned, finasteride has a very flat dose response. In addition, it takes a good week for DHT levels to return to normal after finasteride leaves the system (which takes a good 48 hours), so any daily fluctuations are next to irrelevant. As far as generics, I have used them for the better part of 13 years and have not had any issues. In my opinion, there is no difference.

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 05/24/2010 01:50 PM
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This was also posted above:

"It is also not adviseable(sic) to take five Propecia tablets to gain the effects of Proscar because of other inactive and active ingrediants(sic) used in these medications."

What a steaming crock of shite. I like the two spelling errors included. What's this clown selling?
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