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 04/26/2002 11:34 PM
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I have been taking saw palmetto for 1 month and just recently I have started to shed.
Since saw p has similar effects to finasteride could this be like a finasteride shed?

If so how long do sheds last for when on finasteride?
 04/27/2002 07:54 AM
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777,
I have almost completed a months worth of SP and I too have noticed that I have been shedding bucket loads!....scary sh*t! I'm not really sure how to compare it to before I started SP, or whether I can even attribute the shed to the SP as my hair looks pretty much the same even with the massive sheds.
I've been fighting this hairloss thing for about a year...nobody notices that I'm losing it(at least they are not saying) and my Doc thinks it's my imagination- I know it's not! Well, I've used minox 2% for a year and I thought I'd try Saw Palmetto along side it. Now all hell seems to have broke lose!!!
I have also recently purchased some Finasteride but may give the SP a couple more months since the shed may be a good thing. Obviously If it doesn't stop I'll bring out the 'Big Boy'
I have had no other side affects so there may be hope with this stuff. I've read that a lot of people have found it rather useless so I'll pop in again in about a month for another report!!
As always, good luck to everyone and hopefully we'll crack this thing soon.
cAp

p.s Out of curiosity, what's the verdict on taking Finast' and SP together?
 04/27/2002 08:06 AM
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I took saw palmetto recently for 6 days and it broke me out with acne! That stuff sucks!
 04/27/2002 09:23 PM
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I'm sorry to hear you guys are having reactions to the S.P. It's been a lifesaver to me. When I started using it many years ago, my daily hair loss was reduced almost immediately. Before using it, I'd lose a dozen hairs when combing in the morning. After starting the S.P., my daily hair loss dropped to between zero and two, max. And It's remained that way ever since, except on occation when I've run out of S.P. and then my daily hair loss increased right away. I've always considered it to be a rather safe, benign herb and I've taken as much as 2000mg/day without any negative problems. I feel bad because I know your expectations have been lowered because of this. I wish I could offer something more positive.
 04/28/2002 04:25 AM
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SS Bob,
Are you saying that the shed is a bad thing? As I say I've used SP for a month and the loss has seemingly coincided with the use of it. I do read that sheds can mean a good thing?!?....please be a good thing, please be a good thing!!!
What other 'stuff' are you using alongside SP?

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 04/28/2002 04:38 AM
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hey, side show bob, do u lose 0 - 2 hairs a day?? after stuff im taking (cream and all) im down to about 4-6, but 2 is really amazing..
 04/28/2002 05:23 AM
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Now that I think about it,my shedding halted after stopping SP.And I did have side effects from it.Swollen chest was visably noticeable to me almost immediately after starting it.Glad to see it go.I take enough crap anyway.I'm glad to see it works for Bob though.That is the secret to a good regimen.Find out what works for you and stay the course.
 04/28/2002 07:01 AM
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I've been on the SP for about a month now and can't really say for sure if it is helping or not...I have not seen any shedding either.

Does anyone know which SP is the best?? pills? topical?? How many milligrams should be taken?? I'm very new to SP and would love to know more about it. So far my chest seems to be ok as well..no man boobs yet.
 04/28/2002 07:52 AM
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buddyholly the standard amount that is required is 160mg 2X per day.
Make sure the saw palmetto is an extract that contain 85-95% fatty acids and sterols.
 04/29/2002 01:01 AM
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Yo,

I weary of ye who say "I have tried such and such for.. " and then what follows is something like 1-3 months.
Folks, peoples, fellow refugees from MPB, please understand the reality that when you undergo a treatment to alter the physiology of the human body it takes a very long time to see the results. Many, many months and in some cases years, AND it's very dependent on consistency. It is as true for hair loss/hair growth as for scar repair or any host of countless thousands of conditions. Some things, like a rash caused by a fungus or a bacteria can be irradicated quickly by killing the offending organism, but something like male pattern baldness is a complex physiological process underway. Don't expect anything to change in such a small period of time.
Imagine a building is going to be destroyed but halfway through the demolition process the owner decides to not destroy it and in fact try to rebuild it. The damage is done so the mess is going to have to first be cleaned up and then the repair will begin after. If the owner slacks on the building process things like vandalism and weatherization will further delay and hinder the process. Some changes can happen quickly but there is no rewind button on life (yet).

Anyway, I've been using Saw Palmetto since mid December (2001 for ref.) which puts me at about the 5 1/2 month mark. It has dramatically increased my libido and my hair looks far thicker and fuller than it did six months ago. For the last two months though I have also been taking Vitamin B-6, L-lysine, Folic Acid, Juice Plus+ (actually that for three years now), and Zinc. Minoxidil once daily about five days a week. Saw Palmetto though is the only thing that could account for how I look now compared to five months ago. Oh Nizoral 1% DAILY as well. I think that has helped a lot because it has eliminated all my scalp problems which I had been trying to resolve for at least a couple of years.

I definitely have noticed an increase in shedding in the last month or two. These things are near impossible to understand though. I watched a friend lose almost all his hair in an 8-month period in a typical MPB fashion. His hair was flying off his head in handfuls, and he tried no treatments. I guess he has accepted it but not very happily. My own hair loss has gone through period of dormancy naturally as well so who knows if a particular supplement is doing nothing or if your natural MPB acceleration is in effect. It's all impossible to tell really. The twin studies are our only clue.. And of course obvious regrowth with things such as finasteride and minoxidil prove some efficacy as MPB will never naturally reverse itself.

So to reiterate, if you are going to try Saw Palmetto, unless you are experiencing some awful side effects, stay on it. The kind Walmart carries is so cheap and while I would normally not be a proponent of anything having to do with Walmart, their Saw Palmetto extract gelcaps are the best in my opinion. I have about a decade long history now of working intensely with herbs so there's a fair degree of experience behind that opinion. I am suspicious that some unceasing gastrointestinal upset might be related to the Saw Palmetto. Still I think it's a valuable supplement in my life whether or not it is helping my hair.

Diligence! Faith! Knowledge!

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 04/29/2002 01:08 AM
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saw palmetto and finasteride??

do they both inhibit the same thing?

I haven't heard much about them being used in conjucntion with each other..any insight?

Also, if someone already went thru the "horrible" shed on propecia, would they also go thru a shed starting saw palmetto EVEN if they are currently using propecia?...

lastly, if someone is experiencing Reflex A. ---> would that increase with saw palmetto or decrease...

thanks
 04/29/2002 11:10 AM
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My advice - take one or the other.
 04/29/2002 07:59 PM
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cAp,
I'm fortunate to say I've never experienced a shed however,I can tell you that I understand how unnerving it must be to experience. I used finasteride for a while but the sexual side effects were too severe and I bailed out on that one, but never any shedding.
UG4L, I only lose a couple of hairs when combing. I'm trying out a green tea topical now, but I've only been on it a short time. I'm also trying a new shampoo and conditioner that poster Debbie recommended to stop shedding and breakage. It's called Breakthru and it's actually made for African Americans ( I'm Scandinavian, light brown hair ). It made my hair feel thicker and eliminated the tangles after shampooing. I've been using Neutragena Conditioner De-tangling formula but Breakthru left no tangles and is definately better! I got it at Walgreens, orange containers.

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 04/29/2002 10:31 PM
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I also want to say that more people seem to be experiencing hair loss and at an earlier age than ever before. I believe our modern diet plays a major factor in this. Up until the 1950's, meals were prepared from scratch with natural products. Since then, processed food has entered our lives, along with an increase in hairloss and other health problems. Look at pictures of people back in the 20's, 30's and 40's. Most are thin, in shape and have their hair. Now we're a nation of fat couch potatoes, guzzling soft drinks with artifical sweetners, eating hormone and anti-biotic meat and poultry, and everything packaged or in a can has preservatives and various types of methyl-ethyl bad sh*t.
I only eat fish and chemically free poultry, steamed veggies, rice, etc. No red meat, no junk food, no hard booze(beer ok) and I only eat one meal per day. I exercise and work very hard but I always make time to relax and unwind. I try to avoid stress. And I don't use cell phones ( I have an electronics background) and I'm not yet convinced they're safe.
 04/29/2002 10:53 PM
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Diet can have an effect on hair growth in those pre-disposed. Fats have increased as have simple carbohydrates and bad hormones are circulating in body for longer due to the lack of fibre. Not good - as these have routes to DHT.
 04/30/2002 07:38 PM
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Perhaps you guys who are experiencing sheddng are, in fact, excellent responders. It my be that you need to decrease your dosage or perhaps think about using the SP topically.
 05/01/2002 11:27 PM
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Buttering your head with SP ...mmmm..may have some limited benefit but not much.
 05/02/2002 02:02 AM
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You never know until you try. If I were that good a responder, I'd be bathing in the stuff.

You might end up growing so much hair, you'd need a weed whacker to knock it down!
 05/02/2002 04:41 AM
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SideshowBob,
"You might end up growing so much hair, you'd need a weed whacker to knock it down!"

roflmao..good one dude

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