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 03/14/2010 07:48 PM
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Originally posted by: Mopless

Still using it. I love this stuff. It's all about finding the proper way to use it.



I mix a quarter size gob with my first handful of shampoo. Mix it together in



my hands and apply.



Rinse and shampoo a second time without the P80. This removes some of it but



leaves enough in the hair to give it a thicker, cleaner, shinier apearance.



Does it grow hair? I can't say because of all the other stuff I'm using but my



hairline is moving forward again, so I'm happy.




Did you try, or are on anything else vastly different in your hair regime since you started P80? Also, what P80 brand are you using, and where did you buy it?



See, the funny thing is, I thought the Polysorbate treatment was laid to rest when someone found a study that claimed it had no affect on DHT so whatever. It wasn't here that someone found it, another hairloss forum I watch, probably. But does anyone know the study I speak of? I was specifically for p60, I think, and I want to say the study happened in 1986?

Anyone know anything about this supposedly study? Is there much of a difference between P60 and P80 such that a study on P60 wouldn't be relevant to P80?

I recently started using P80 once or twice a day since stopping low-dose propecia due to sudden puffy/sore nipple, or gynecomastia. It's incredibly discouraging to have to rule out the one proven shot I had at keeping/thickening my hair, but oh well.

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 03/15/2010 10:15 AM
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Originally posted by: Fat-Elvis

Anyone know anything about this supposedly study? Is there much of a difference between P60 and P80 such that a study on P60 wouldn't be relevant to P80?


I have a copy of the full study, and I've posted about it occasionally on these hairloss sites. I don't find it fully convincing, mainly because of the relatively short duration of the trial.

It doesn't say anything about any differences between P60 and P80, but I gather from what Durk Pearson & Sandy Shaw have written about them earlier that they're rather similar in efficacy (assuming that they are effective at all).
 03/15/2010 10:38 AM
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Bryan, can you see this thread please:

http://hairlosshelp.com/forums/messageview.cfm?catid=10&threadid=88558



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- S5 Spiro Cream 5% w/ 1% Caffeine and .025% Retin-A

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- Same as AM

- Peppermint Shampoo
- Fin .5mg (EOD) DROPPING
- Oral Spiro 75mg/day (goal:  150mg/day)
- Supplements

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- Roxi .5%

 03/16/2010 03:51 AM
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Why all the fuss. Go to Vitamin World or order on line for $6.99 for a years supply (at least) http://www.vitaminworld.com/pa...m=polysorbate&rdcnt=1
If it works for you, it's a grand slam.
 03/22/2010 03:32 PM
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Ran across this browsing around. Since it's relative to Polysorbate 80, I though I would post it.

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The present inventions contemplate a simple composition which none-the-less provides an improved treatment for counteracting and controlling hair loss. These inventions relate to or employ some steps and elements apparatus well known in the art and therefore, not the subject of detailed discussion herein.

Polysorbate 60 and polysorbate 80 have been used in hair treatment formulations, perhaps as an emulsifying cleanser, but also for its alleged ability to inhibit DHT and the negative influence it has on new hair growth. The efficacy of polysorbates for this purpose has been supported by anecdotal evidence but not, insofar as this inventor is aware, by clinical testing.

The author of the present inventions has engaged in research, and experimentation in the field of hair care products for a number of years. As a dandruff treatment, she investigated the use of polysorbate 80, procured from the Nourishair Company in the form of a thick gel. She found that, when following the suppliers recommended procedure of applying the product twenty minutes before shampooing, polysorbate 80 (P80) and, for that matter, polysorbate 60 (P60) worked well for dandruff removal in a series of trials. Based on this experience, she used the product on a number of subjects over a period of ten years.

For antiseptic purposes and tactile response, she subsequently decided to add an amount of menthol to the polysorbate 80. After experimentation with other solvents and methods, this was found to be best accomplished by dissolving menthol crystals in isopropyl alcohol and adding the solution to P80. This composition seemed to work even better for dandruff removal, so she used it in continuing trials and began selling it to others.

After a short time, a number of her subjects came back with unsolicited reports of new hair growth, suspecting that the dandruff treatment might be responsible. Upon examination, new growth, generally in the form of vellous hair, was confirmed in virtually every such instance. This experience continued, until it suddenly occurred to the author that the fine, vellous hairs might be thickened by the addition of lupine protein to the treatment. This was done by the addition of lupine protein, procured from RITA Corporation of Woodstock, Ill. to the P80/menthol base. Treatment of the subjects who had exhibited vellous new hair growth with the lupine protein formulation produced positive results in thickening of the hair shafts after a period of two to three months.

After experimentation with a range of formula variations it is thought that the synergism of P80 and menthol for stimulating new hair growth can be achieved with menthol contents as low as 6% and as high as 35%, and that any lupine protein content in the range of 15% too 35% will work for thickening the new hair growth.

Found here: http://www.freepatentsonline.com/7041636.html

I've heard of menthol helping hairloss, think there is anything to this?

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 03/22/2010 04:11 PM
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Good find.

I wonder if one can buy menthol already mixed and ready to go?

And now that I think of it, didn't that Dr. Miracles' Nape and whatever

crap have that in it too?

Maybe there is something to that afterall.

I know...hard to believe I might have been wrong.













 03/22/2010 04:30 PM
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Well, I did some quick checking.

Menthol is derived from Peppermint oil and is available in crystal form

or as a liquid. Do a Google search for Menthol + buy.

Menthol is used in the Dr. Miracle stuff.
 03/22/2010 06:09 PM
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The thing about Dr. Mircles temple and nape is that it did make my hair look thicker and more bounce to it. But for some reason, each time I used it, I lost a lot of hair while washing it out.. I used it for about 11 days. No sign of regrowth or vellous hair like some claim.
 03/22/2010 07:53 PM
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If you look at the ingrediants, there are several variations of acetate in it.

I don't think that can be good for hair.
 03/22/2010 10:43 PM
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well ***** guys i a have post in that thread talking specificly about p80 and menthol. I evan pointed out that its a derivative of pepermint oil. Not so funny now is it.

 

Thyroids, i think weak DHT ridden hairs falling out after aplication is actually a good sign. i think those folicles might be getting kick started. Also 11 days is not long enough to see new growth and somebody with 470 posts on this forum should know that.

 03/22/2010 11:19 PM
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I have no value to add here, but just wanted to post that desperate ol me is trying this miracle cream on my temples. Only a week in. Initial thoughts: not causing me hairloss and it also feels extremely refreshing on the scalp. The menthol idea is really interesting. If my temples show any improvement I'll post it. Cheers.
 03/22/2010 11:31 PM
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Originally posted by: billwilliams

well ***** guys i a have post in that thread talking specificly about p80 and menthol. I evan pointed out that its a derivative of pepermint oil. Not so funny now is it.




 




Thyroids, i think weak DHT ridden hairs falling out after aplication is actually a good sign. i think those folicles might be getting kick started. Also 11 days is not long enough to see new growth and somebody with 470 posts on this forum should know that.



Tell that to Pegcity
 03/23/2010 02:09 PM
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Oh, I found a small bottle of polysorbate that was discarded and forgotten with my super zix kit. I've been using it the last few days with my shampoo. Nothing amazing to report, and to early to tell if it will help, though I severely doubt it. However, it does make my hair soft as hell, and I DO like how clean it makes my scalp. It's almost like a degunker. lol

Almost tempted to buy some menthol and mix it with poly for a custom topical.

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 03/23/2010 06:43 PM
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I can't see any reason why the lupine proteins added to the formula, would stimulate

growth of vellous hair. I haven't found anything on Google to support this

statement. I'm wondering what made her think of lupine protein?
 03/23/2010 07:20 PM
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Well supposedly there is something called white sweet lupine, is this the same thing?
- inhibits the 5-reductase 2 enzyme from working
- transports needed nutrients to the hair roots.
- stimulates cell metabolism in the hair roots and the production of keratin
 03/23/2010 07:46 PM
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Also i believe anageline, briefly discussed on these forums a while back, has an anti-hairloss ingredient extracted from sweet white lupine, something to look into perhaps
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I don't know. I've never heard of lupine proteins for hair growth before.

I'll have do do some more research on that.

Interesting though. Good find.











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I've been mixing it with water on my hands when I get home and massaging it all over the scalp, then kind of hanging out and making dinner for 30 mins or an hour and then washing it out when I shower. I've been doing this for three months and my hairline looks better in pictures than it did before I started. However the back of my scalp looks a little thin. Of course I could have just not noticed this.

It's probably not possible to leave it in too long so I give it the benefit of the doubt and wait at least a half hour.

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