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Topic Title: Effect of topical application of raspberry ketone on hair growth ( new study )
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 03/10/2008 07:24 PM
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Hmm interesting study and maybe worth further investigation. A quick check on google and I found that it's supposedly similar to capsaicin although its mechanism is different. At the moment it's not even that expensive, only $5.50 for 10 grams of raspberry ketone powder.
 03/10/2008 09:51 PM
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Thanks for the post Guillermo! It looks like I will be adding RK to my coconut oil base because RK is fat soluble(perfectimundo). In my other post I also mentioned using ellagic acid....dont do it. EA inhibits melanogenesis = gray hair
promotion.

http://www.takasago.com/aboutus/business/aromachem/99.htm
 03/10/2008 10:41 PM
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Good information about solubilities:

http://www.thegoodscentscompany.com/data/rw1020771.html

and pricesthis appears to be pure powder without fillers)

http://www.thegoodscentscompany.com/pricoffr.html
 03/11/2008 07:26 AM
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I posted this in another thread on Rasberry Ketones. It is reasonably priced in bulk.

10 grams

50 grams

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 03/11/2008 10:38 AM
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I just purchased 200 grams of RK. I will use it in my coconut oil base along with coenzyme q-10 & ascorbyl palmitate.
Updates...in time.
 03/11/2008 10:45 AM
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Originally posted by: kingpin
I just purchased 200 grams of RK. I will use it in my coconut oil base along with coenzyme q-10 & ascorbyl palmitate.

Updates...in time.


How much RK are you going to use in your formula?

edit: nevermind, per your other post...


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kingpin, can you tell me about your coconut oil topical and if you are just infusing certain chemicals in it or what sort of process you're using? i'm very interested myself and am thinking i can do a mixture of maybe 50/50 coconut oil ethanol (75-90%)
thanks
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Originally posted by: llamer
kingpin, can you tell me about your coconut oil topical and if you are just infusing certain chemicals in it or what sort of process you're using? i'm very interested myself and am thinking i can do a mixture of maybe 50/50 coconut oil ethanol (75-90%)

thanks


This is what I plan on doing: just heat the virgin CO just enought to become liquid(melt in original container in hot water) and add the other fat solubles. My concentations and additives so far are : 1% co-q10, 1% ascorbyl palmitate and 0.5%
raspberry ketones. I might also add acetyl l-carnitine or the better carnitine at BAC with alpha lipoic acid. AlWAYS take lipoic acid with carnitine according to the sci.life-extension guys.

I may "cut" the CO with lecithin because it contains phosphatidic acid(hair growth study on it). Sinere said it cant be
just any ole PA though because the study used some specialty PA molecule. Although,(and this is what I'm volleying
around in my mind) a patent showed phospholids(lecithin mentioned) increases hair growth in sheep and mice. Yah,
I know it wasnt tested on humans..but still it might be a nice addition.

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Originally posted by: llamer
kingpin, can you tell me about your coconut oil topical and if you are just infusing certain chemicals in it or what sort of process you're using? i'm very interested myself and am thinking i can do a mixture of maybe 50/50 coconut oil ethanol (75-90%)

thanks


I havent tried CO but ethanol doesnt dissolve oils. DMSO would be a better choice or emu oil.

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that's interesting. what's the advantage of c.e.Q10? i'll google that. also ascorbyl palmitate, why this, and also the alpha lipoic acid? are they as bona fide at hair growth as this raspberry ketone? (50% seems fairly good as far as regrowth goes).
thanks
also you mean to say that ethanol+oil dont mix but ethanol+dmso do mix or ethanol+DMSO works? i want to know where i can add my tincture of curcumin and cayenne. DMSO sounds bad for topicals due to the penetration of it into the bloodstream. and for the record i'm also leery of ethanol as a topical due to the cell-damaging aspects of alcohol (it burns when you drink it, even!).
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Originally posted by: llamer
that's interesting. what's the advantage of c.e.Q10? i'll google that. also ascorbyl palmitate, why this, and also the alpha lipoic acid? are they as bona fide at hair growth as this raspberry ketone? (50% seems fairly good as far as regrowth goes).

thanks

also you mean to say that ethanol+oil dont mix but ethanol+dmso do mix or ethanol+DMSO works? i want to know where i can add my tincture of curcumin and cayenne. DMSO sounds bad for topicals due to the penetration of it into the bloodstream. and for the record i'm also leery of ethanol as a topical due to the cell-damaging aspects of alcohol (it burns when you drink it, even!).

thanks


Some of your questions would be better suited by using the search button in this forum and others. I cannot give
details like studies can so when you find them you will be better informed than me telling you second hand.
Briefly: Co-q10 is in a patent I think. Substances which help mitochondrial function or increase ATP generally end up in patents or studies. Alpha lipoic acid is to "absorb" carnitine's free radical increases.

But just for future reference: keep fat solubles with fat soluble bases. Keep water and alcohol(polar) substances out
of fat solubles they dont mix without some work...skip it. You probably wont find this so I will tell you, curcumin is unstable
in fats so dissolve it in alcohol. So my recommendation is keep curcumin and cayenne out of CO and use it/them separately.

The white curcumin(ancientway.com) I have used at 2% in ethyl alcohol(everclear). I mix 1.2 grams in roughly
40 ml alcohol- 15 ml water and 5ml(99% liquid DMSO). It absorbs into the scalp pretty good without leaving much of
an oily residue. The DMSO does leave some oily feel but in time it absorbs. You could skip the DMSO if you wanted.
Without the DMSO it is excellent following a shower. With the DMSO it isnt bad either.

You could make your cayenne topical as discussed in regrowth and then dissolve the curcumin into the alcohol just dont
overadd so everything is dissolved perfectly without settling.

I also thought DMSO forced substances through the skin and into the blood stream. Instead it deposits them into the skin where in some cases(depending on the chemical) they stay for days! What is the advantage of that? You dont have to reapply the topical daily, maybe every 2 or 3 days. Other topicals wash off. Check regrowth.com I wrote on this. At less than 50% concentration it also increases wound healing rates. Wound healing and hair growth are intimately connected.

Use the search....good luck!
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damn Kingpin you are truly a kingpin, thanks for the info!

now one last question: is it really a good idea to even do this R.ketone/cayenne topical due to their effect on 'killing' or somehow diminishing fat cells? my scalp already feels 'thin' so to speak, and the last thing i want is it to be is taught as a snare drum head stretched tight over my skull (you get the picture). i'm curious about what you think.

anyways i'm looking foward to making this topical...

also where did you get your DMSO? too many to choose from
 03/15/2008 11:00 AM
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Can't you just mix it in with minox (alcohol based) for hair regrowth??
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Originally posted by: llamer
damn Kingpin you are truly a kingpin, thanks for the info!



now one last question: is it really a good idea to even do this R.ketone/cayenne topical due to their effect on 'killing' or somehow diminishing fat cells? my scalp already feels 'thin' so to speak, and the last thing i want is it to be is taught as a snare drum head stretched tight over my skull (you get the picture). i'm curious about what you think.



anyways i'm looking foward to making this topical...



also where did you get your DMSO? too many to choose from


Mpb does involve skin aging so that is where you are correct about the skin tightness and subcutaneous fat loss.
It is not a coincidence that you find skin aging products being used in treating mpb. IMO, if you find some topical agent
that has reported hair growing effects it probably to an extent is reversing the aging of the skin. RK probably will get
tested for some anti-wrinkling properties because about every other molecule has been.

Some scientist will see that RK increase IGF-1 concentration and look for it to start appearing in skin creams. Wait and
see...

http://healthlibrary.epnet.com/GetContent.aspx?token=e0498803-7f62-4563-8d47-5fe33da65dd4&chunkiid=38389

I got my DMSO at DMSO.net. I cant tell you whether it is any better than anybody elses...

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Originally posted by: taco
Can't you just mix it in with minox (alcohol based) for hair regrowth??


Yes most likely. Keep in mind that 10 mg is probably something like making a pair of chop sticks out of toothpicks and
whatever RK you can grasp at the tip should be sufficient. This low amount is good because you would think there
wont be much competition between minoxidil and RK for the alcohol molecules. So, hopefully both minox and RK will live
in molecular peace and not precipitate out.

If you notice change in color ,temperature, precipitates or gas upon adding RK to the minox there was a reaction of some sorts and most likely should be kept separate.

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These images from the study look very promising.. especially given how short the period of the study was.

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A quick check on google and I found that it's supposedly similar to capsaicin although its mechanism is different. At the moment it's not even that expensive, only $5.50 for 10 grams of raspberry ketone powder.


Where is this? The lowest price for "Rasberry Ketone" on google-shopping is like 30 bucks, but all that comes up are pills. It doesn't look cheap.

-edit- nevermind, saw the post with the links.

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Here's Rasberry Ketone at $5.50 for 10 grams:

http://anabolicminds.com/store/1218.html

If it really works to help with hair loss though I expect the price will be going way up soon...

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