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 02/05/2008 04:27 PM
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Just bought some, was cheap and i heard some people have had some scalp and hair benefits from it. Anyone have some input on it? Application methods, times, length of time you leave it on hair. I was thinking of spraying it on after a shower, leaving it all night. Or using it in the shower after a shampoo on the days i don't use nizoral.
 02/05/2008 04:34 PM
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I have been taking it internally 2 tbls/day. But made the mistake of initially not buying the organic. I would be interested to hear how it works if you actually apply it to your scalp.
 02/05/2008 04:36 PM
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damn I bought heinz brand. Where would I find the organic one? They didnt have it at the store when I looked
 02/05/2008 04:47 PM
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I bought online-Braggs. Supposedly one of the best brands. bragg.com.

Basically if the ACV is "see through", it's supposedly processed and therefore doesn't have all the benefits.
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the heinze brand I have is yellow/gold in colour and says pure apple cider.
 02/05/2008 05:19 PM
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heinz is not organic, but you can always try it. i doubt it would hurt.
 02/05/2008 05:33 PM
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Apple cider vinegar rinse and or Apple cider vinegar shampoo are very beneficial to SD / AGA in my opinion. There are SD help groups (like this one on the internet ) which use the treatment of topical ACV as the primary treatment protocol. The % ACV varies - most newbies use very dilute ACV

SD and AGA are both under androgen control - my 2 c the SD/AGA linkage is far greater than the medical community understands ....

The bath and body shop mall stores - have Fekkai ACV shampoo and ACV rinse - there are others readily available.
 02/05/2008 09:50 PM
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So i just put it in a spray bottle and sprayed it on my head after i shampoo. Waited 5 min and rinsed it out. Then I sprayed some on my hairline and crown. I am going to leave it all night. Il look for the organic one but until then il use what i have. Is this proper application?
 04/06/2008 07:42 PM
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has it helped at all? I think I might give acv a go, i just havent been sure on how to use it.

this site http://www.edenfoods.com/articles/view.php?articles_id=91 explains that you mix it with water and rub it on your scalp after you take a shower

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 04/06/2008 07:51 PM
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Originally posted by: italianguy
Apple cider vinegar rinse and or Apple cider vinegar shampoo are very beneficial to SD / AGA in my opinion. There are SD help groups (like this one on the internet ) which use the treatment of topical ACV as the primary treatment protocol. The % ACV varies - most newbies use very dilute ACV



SD and AGA are both under androgen control - my 2 c the SD/AGA linkage is far greater than the medical community understands ....



The bath and body shop mall stores - have Fekkai ACV shampoo and ACV rinse - there are others readily available.


i just ordered fekkai acv rinse, i already currently have: neutrogena t-gel (coal tar), niz 2%, loprox anti-yeast, and clobex steroid foam. Can you give me your advice on how to properly rotate these shampoos italianguy?

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also how exactly do you use the rinse as opposed to the shampoo?

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 04/06/2008 11:04 PM
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apple cider is a godsend. in my opinion, there is nothing that can compare efficiently wise for different scalp problems. if you have dandruff, your scalp is itchy, irritated and you feel like scrathing it to the point of getting wounds - apple cider is the answer. I've tried topical hydrocortisone (scalpecin) which works but only in short time and the irritation comes back everytime after a few days, coal tar shampoos and pretty much everything else there is for scalp problems. apple cider vinegar is so effective and works so quickly that it should be anyone's addition and staple to the other 3 products, fin, minox, and nizoral. it smells terrible and the scent is really strong so I would advice to only use it at night and make sure to shampoo your hair the next day to get rid of the smell. there's just one thing everybody must know. the cider must be organic. i use the bragg unfiltered one with "mother". it'll clear up any dermatitis problems withing a day or two. oh and if the scalp is itchy, this thing gets rid of the itch in seconds after applying it. no joke. many people make the mistake of using apple cider just like another shampoo. instead, it should be used as a topical and left on the scalp for at least one hour. try it, you won't regret it.

ps. some people feel that cider is too strong and should be diluted with water. i don't believe in that. maybe the first time you apply it, dilute it half and half just to see how the scalp reacts to it. but the best way to apply it is straight from the bottle with a dropper.

i can also tell you guys what's good for regrowth. a little bit off topic but:
get a folligen cream, buy an essential oil of peppermint and lavender. get rid of some of the folligen to make room for a mix of folligen copper peptides and essential oils. then add 20 drops of peppermint and 10 drops of lavender. shake it and apply to temples. i found it to be the only thing that works on those stubborn temples. you should at the same time use a minoxidil product. i use spectral dnc. many people get a bunch of vellous hairs in the temple areas but after a while realize that they do not grow to be terminal. this mix of folligen, peppermint, lavender (although lavender is optional, imo), applied to temples makes it all worth it. at first, it might burn a little but after a while, the scalp gets used to it. from my own observation, the minox induced stubborn vellous hair has a much greater chance of becoming terminal if you use this mix every other day. if you're desperate, you could try doing it everyday but from what i heard, every other day is the optimal regime.

-other than that, i found liquid silica (must be stable), biotin 5mg, and 2g of msm a day to speed up the process. maybe there really is a way to make those evil temples regenerate themselves with patience. i've had good results.

-other things i use on my forehead and temples - .05 retin-a, 2% keto cream, fresh aloe vera gel (not the processed piece of crap you can get at any pharmacy, fresh is the way to go).

what i'm trying to say is that if you already gave up trying to grow your temple hair, consider my suggestions.

if you have any questions, feel free to ask.

Edited: 04/06/2008 at 11:23 PM by hhrock
 04/07/2008 01:07 AM
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 04/07/2008 01:31 AM
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hello.

yes?
 04/07/2008 08:06 AM
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Originally posted by: hhrock
many people make the mistake of using apple cider just like another shampoo. instead, it should be used as a topical and left on the scalp for at least one hour. try it, you won't regret it.


so how do you do that? do you wait til after you take a shower and apply it to your wet scalp and lather it in? or what?

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 04/07/2008 08:57 AM
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I pretty much dropped it from my regimen - but used it topically and orally for a few years.

Yes, definitly go for the organic version as the pasteurization process kills all the stuff in it that's good for you.

vitacost.com sells some.

Topically, I used to spritz some into my scalp while in the shower, and then massage some shampoo right on top of that.  Let sit for about 5 minutes and then rinse. Really does make your scalp feel great.  No special reason why I dropped the topical - except that once my last bottle ran out I never re-ordered.  Don't really miss it.

Orally, 2x daily I used to mix a tablespoon of ACV in w/ a small glass of diet iced green tea.  Don't really know if that helped w/ anything or not - and again - don't seem to miss it.  If you're going to slug the stuff, make sure to rinse very well and brush afterwards, as that stuff will eat right through your tooth enamel.  I ended up w/ a little cavity on one of my front teeth.  Can't swear that it's from the acv - but it sure was a cooincidence.  Well documented though that it's highly acidic and can damage your teeth if you don't rinse and brush afterwards.

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 04/07/2008 09:10 AM
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ascool as ice...

I used to have A LOT of information on ACV on my webpage eons ago. There is still some info on this, but the problem is that I made the assumption that organic ACV would probably be high in PROCYANIDIN B-2... and I could be wrong (and I took an almost year long hiatus from the boards when this was apparently discussed) but I *think* someone or some research facility finally did tests to determine the content, and it wasn't that profound. Like I said... I was "out of the loop" then, I can't find any studies mentioning it now, but that's what I heard.

Here is the archived version of that page from "The Internet Wayback Machine" from 10/25/05 (it'll take a while to load): http://www.overmachogrande.com/topicals: October 25th, 2005

Regardless of that negative news though, yes... I felt ACV made my hair much better! In my opinion, there is little doubt that the very mild acidic nature of organic vinegar as well as probably some other helpful ingredients is very beneficial to hair. I don't use it though because I just got tired of the smell, and I think that's probably the reason most stop it!

Oh, and yes... hair_tomorrow is absolutely correct, you need organic because the pasteurization process does kill all the good stuff!

-O.M.G.
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1) how do you use the rinse as opposed to the shampoo, 2) where is a good place to find "organic" acv?

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 04/07/2008 09:43 AM
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http://www.iherb.com/ProductDetails.aspx?c=1&pid=5711, or,

http://www.vitacost.com/Dynamic-Health-Organic-Apple-Cider-Vinegar-with-Mother

I like the Bragg's brand (1st link) because it didn't smell as strong.

I don't know how guys managed to spritz it on their hair and leave it in all day - but that's what they did.

My preference was the massage in, leave in 5 min, and rinse out method.

But, whatever floats your boat.

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so you massage it in and leave it on for 5 mins, just like shampoo?

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