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Topic Title: POLYSORBATE - 80 - KILLS DHT???
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Created On: 05/29/2007 08:56 AM
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 10/05/2007 11:14 AM
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If this is something that is effective, why did the Helsinki formula just fall off.
 10/05/2007 11:42 AM
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If this is something that is effective, why did the Helsinki formula just fall off.


I don't think that many had a profound response to it (although I knew one guy who actually did grow some terminal hair with it). And given how relatively expensive the Helsinki formula was, few (myself included) would have been willing to spend the $$ for what was, essentially, a great scalp cleanser.
 10/05/2007 01:12 PM
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Sebastian....everything "falls off" because almost no one has a profound response from anything. The "30 month window period" explains a lot of these findings.

It's a tough goal to meet when your goal is to regrow a lot of hair. A more attainable goal is to keep the hair you have.
 10/05/2007 06:52 PM
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If one were to add a couple of capfuls of polsorbate 80 into their bottle of shampoo, would it be effectively worthwhile?
 10/07/2007 09:16 PM
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rosariorose9 ?
 10/08/2007 09:04 AM
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I couldn't definitively say "yes" or "no", although since it's so easy to coat your scalp with 80 before you jump in the shower I don't see any purpose in mixing (and thereby diluting) it in your shampoo. That being said, there are a good many shampoos available which contain Polysorbate 60/80 (for example go to www.lef.org for the Life Extension Shampoo).

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 10/08/2007 06:51 PM
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Ok, thanks.

It definately sounds like the 80 is what has been helping you over the years.
 10/08/2007 07:37 PM
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Ok, thanks.



It definately sounds like the 80 is what has been helping you over the years.


Sideshow, I really don't know, although of all the things I've tried (and I've tried a ton of 'em) Polysorbate 80 has been the only thing I've consistently used over these many, many years...
 10/09/2007 10:00 PM
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I've been using the polysorbate 80 shampoo from avacore for 5 years now and it's kept my hairline strong.
 10/09/2007 10:08 PM
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How do you know that's due to the p80 shampoo? Also, how long do you leave it on in the shower and how often do you use it?

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 10/10/2007 08:59 AM
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I've just started using it, by the way. Mainly because I have a couple of bottles of it! I can tell that it does clean the scalp amazingly, and I think it will help whatever products you are using (minox, zix, lasers, whatever) work even better because it will allow for greater penetration since the sebum and oil are removed from the follicle area.

...But I don't think it really matters if you leave it on for an extended period or not because -and feel free to correct me if you want- I believe this is how it's working: We know it's an emulsifier, meaning that it has the ability to combine water or alcohol with oils. Well, sebum is oily, so the mixture combines with the sebum, therefore thinning out the sebum, and making it much easier to wash off. Also, you know how a bandaid will rip out hair? I think that since the sebum is combined with the polysorbate 80, when you wash it off it pulls at least some of the sebum out off the folicle shaft to get washed away with it.

I don't think there is any magic to it at all as to why it helps -it's pretty straightforward- and since it's not doing anything directly to the follicles I wouldn't think it needs to be on too long (but massaging would definitely help). Anyone have any other takes on how it's working??

-O.M.G.
 10/10/2007 09:34 AM
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Originally posted by: Fat-Elvis
How do you know that's due to the p80 shampoo? Also, how long do you leave it on in the shower and how often do you use it?



As I think I've said, I don't know that. All I know is that I've used it for many years and the progress of my mpb has been very, very s-l-o-w. Since it's also very cheap and easy to use, it's going to remain in my regimen. I apply it, massage it into my scalp, and leave it on for about 10 minutes before washing it out in my morning shower. When it's convenient to do so ( maybe 3 or 4 times a month), I use a heating cap for 15 to thirty minutes before washing it out. Who knows whether that increases its effectiveness, but again, it's easy to do, so I do it...

Now, as to OMG's comments on its cleaning abilities, I AM sure about one thing. It's VERY effective in cleaning out the sebum and detritus in the follicle. I know this because I went to the Regenix clinic for a good many months. It was a total waste of my money EXCEPT for the microscopic analysis which they regularly perform on your scalp and hair bulbs. They have a very thorough (and VERY expensive) proprietary chemical formula which they use to totally clean the follicles as part of the treatment regimen. I never had to use those chemicals (much to the surprise of my treatment 'counselor' who'd never had a patient before who didn't require the cleansing at least every few months or so) because my follicles and hair sample bulbs were always spotless - absolutely due to the PS 80.
 10/10/2007 09:39 AM
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I just looked at Avacor thickening shampoo and it actually has polysobate 20. Not 80.

What the difference between them? About 60? Sorry. I always go for the cheap shot.

Anyway, I'm thinking one could add a capful or two to a bottle of shampoo. Use this for your first application.

Then use that same shampoo, without the p-80, for the final wash.

Comments? Certainly cheaper than Avacor.
 10/10/2007 02:27 PM
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In my opinion the best way to use polysorbate 80 is to apply it to your scalp 10 minutes before showering and then wash it out.
 10/10/2007 04:33 PM
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Well I'm going to be starting polysorate it looks like, whether it's adding it to zix, applying it before showering, or getting a shampoo.

rosario- you really only use it 3 or 4 times a month?

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 10/10/2007 06:31 PM
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It may be that adding a little 80 to your shampoo will result ia a cleaner, more receptive scalp for topicals and nizoral.
 10/10/2007 09:23 PM
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That's an interesting idea. How much P80 should you add to, say, a bottle of Nizoral? Anyone?

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 10/11/2007 07:59 AM
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I would't add it to nizoral, which, assuming you lather and rinse twice, is your second application.

I'd add it to the shampoo you use for your first lather. About a capful, would be my guess.

Nizoral has a goofy cap and I'm not sure you can take it off and put it back.
 10/11/2007 08:33 AM
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So if you put a cap-full of P80 in a bottle of shampoo it should mix up well?

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 10/11/2007 10:21 AM
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im all over that stuff as of now. i have 3 bottles that get little use because I only use 10 drops in my zix. looking forward to seing the results.
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