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 02/07/2006 10:52 PM
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Thinking of going to the solarium a couple of times a week to give myself some colour. Do tanning beds have any detrimental affects on hair?
 02/08/2006 06:26 AM
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Yeah i think so, it damages the hair follicles and is not even good for youre skin it ages faster and puts you in a risk for cancer! solariums is worse then the sun man! it's not such good idea! rethink!
 02/08/2006 08:28 AM
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For some reason, people think tanning beds are safer then the sun. Do some research on them, you`ll find that they are actually worst.
 02/08/2006 08:38 AM
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Tanning in a tanning bed is SAFER than being out in the sun, if you have the objective of tanning. The dosage of UV exposure is controlled in a tanning bed, but the sun does not emit a constant UV amount.
You never know what dosage you will get from the sun. There is an abundance of UV-B rays and there is a much more harmful ray (UV-C) that is emitted from the sun.

The one quality of tanning that can cause you to damage hair follicles whether outdoors or indoors is burning. If this is avoided, there is no effect on your hair follicles.

There are a lot of tanning beds these days that emit a minimal percentage of UV-B. UV-B is the major contributor in aging and burning the surface of your skin. The UV-A (high pressure) beds have less than 1% UV-B and are the types of beds that you should use.
There are also many types of spray on tans that are UV free. Mystic Tan, Magic Tan, and Mist-on Tan are among the best.

There are a lot of hoaxes out there about tanning and I will tell you that you have the highest risk of cancer when you are pale.
When you tan, you develop a natural sunscreen that keeps you from burning. Just do it in moderation and you will be fine. Just avoid doing it outdoors because there is no such thing as moderation when you cant control the sun.



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 02/08/2006 10:37 AM
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cornelius,

I would like to know where you get your information from. Just by glancing at the American Cancer Society website, I came up with two important thoughts:

1) Tanning Beds May Increase Skin Cancer Risk

2) Base Tan Offers No Protection

"They may think that a 'base' tan will protect them from skin cancer, but in reality, the lights ( of a tanning bed) just act as a radiation multiplier, further increasing their skin cancer risk," Dr. Weinstock said.




Swedish researchers studied the tanning bed use of 571 people who had developed malignant melanoma and compared it to the use of 913 healthy people (controls) who did not have melanoma.

Risk of melanoma more than doubled for those who first began using the lights when 35 or younger, and generally increased with more use of the lights until a person had used the lights more than 250 times. Using commercial lights also more than doubled the risk.


This was just ONE site which spoke of the risks with tanning beds and skin cancer. They all seem to agree that there is no such thing as a safe tan or even a "healthy tan" . I`ll take the good old natural sun in moderation any day over a commercial tanning bed.


 02/08/2006 12:09 PM
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This is a field were my expertise are. Designing tanning beds is what I do for a living. The spectrum of light that is emitted from the tanning beds are the same as the ones emitted from the sun, but tanning beds are designed so that UV-C is completely removed and UV-B is reduced. This is easily done by using filters in the bulbs and for some beds there are glass filter covers. The amount of UV that the sun emits is not constant. At times it could burn you in hours and at times it could burn you in minutes. At times it could emit less than a tanning bed, and at times it could emit much more. Therefore when you sunbathe outdoors, you do not know what is moderation. In a tanning bed, given that you follow the guidelines, you'll know how not to over do it.

There is a lot of controversy over the subject and two large industries are involved: The indoor tanning industry and the sunscreen industry. The multi-billion dollar sunscreen industry is much larger and is much more effective in lobbying their cause. The studies are funded by sunscreen companies and will make the tests in their favor. Tanning salons are mostly owned by individuals and will probably not take part in funding for any kind of trials. There is one doctor that is for the indoor tanning cause and his name is Dr. Hollick. Who knows how long he will last because nobody is gonna fund his tests. I guess this is a case were the self-employed do not stand a chance against large corporations.

And with the case of base tanning... It is a fact that when you tan, you create a natural sunscreen. Thats why when you get a good base, you dont burn anymore. This does not stop you from getting skin cancer, but when you are less colored, you are more prone to skin cancer. Just think about how much UV exposure people get in Africa, but still skin cancer is rare in Africa. Is it because of genetics? What genetic feature makes them less prone to skin cancer?

This statement is clearly biased:
"They may think that a 'base' tan will protect them from skin cancer, but in reality, the lights ( of a tanning bed) just act as a radiation multiplier, further increasing their skin cancer risk," Dr. Weinstock said.
What about outdoors?? Does that protect them from cancer? With the ozone depletion, I would think not.




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 02/08/2006 12:47 PM
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Just think about how much UV exposure people get in Africa, but still skin cancer is rare in Africa. Is it because of genetics? What genetic feature makes them less prone to skin cancer?


cornelius,

You can't really say that, that’s a whole other thing, people who live near the equator have changed colour over each generation and which in fact changed their genetics over thousands of years!

A white dude trying to get a base tan is a whole other story then being born with a tan or being coloured! You got to see the difference here!

And yes tanning in solariums is more dangerous then the sun, and you shouldn’t even be out without clothes in the sun! And surely ware a hat or cap for you’re hairs sake! Too much UV from the sun can damage the follicles! it's not about getting a certain base tan or being exposed too the sun which makes you handle it more! You could get those UV rays even if you’re under a shadow
 02/08/2006 01:19 PM
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Just think about how much UV exposure people get in Africa, but still skin cancer is rare in Africa. Is it because of genetics? What genetic feature makes them less prone to skin cancer?




cornelius,



You can't really say that, that’s a whole other thing, people who live near the equator have changed colour over each generation and which in fact changed their genetics over thousands of years!



A white dude trying to get a base tan is a whole other story then being born with a tan or being coloured! You got to see the difference here!



And yes tanning in solariums is more dangerous then the sun, and you shouldn’t even be out without clothes in the sun! And surely ware a hat or cap for you’re hairs sake! Too much UV from the sun can damage the follicles! it's not about getting a certain base tan or being exposed too the sun which makes you handle it more! You could get those UV rays even if you’re under a shadow


Yes, there is a genetic difference. What physical quality in the genetics makes them less prone to skin cancer?

Im comparing the tanning bed with someone who wants to sunbathe outdoors. Which of the two are at a higher risk?

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 02/08/2006 01:48 PM
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DONT GO UNDER SUNBEDS !

the sun and sunbeds will make you age much quicker, you will look like a wrinkled old prune, when you lose your hair, you will want your skin looking its best, not all wrinkled

just fake it, even though fake tans are no where near as good, least your not damaging your skin

believe me, ask any dermatologist, the sun and sunbeds will destroy your looks, not something you want when your losing your hair aswel



Edited: 02/08/2006 at 01:49 PM by mma fan-uk
 02/08/2006 02:11 PM
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Guys,

Here's the trick with tanning beds from an old psoriasis sufferer. Wanna get a little color and not wrinkle?

Do *very* short sessions in lower-powered beds. Too many people sit or stand in these microwaves for 20 minutes or more. Or ten minutes in the high-powered standing beds. This is insane. It will ruin your skin.

Try using a lower-intensity bed for 8 minutes, twice a week. It will not make you *tan* -- but will give you good color and heighten your mood. This is relevant for northern latitudes only, of course.

And men need to take better care of their skin in general if they don't want premature wrinkling. But that's a whole 'nother post.

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Edited: 02/08/2006 at 02:11 PM by TheFittest
 02/08/2006 11:06 PM
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I take this cancer shit with a grain of salt... What doesnt give you cancer these days?
 02/09/2006 02:53 AM
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Guys,

This is why you shouldent be out in the sun for too long or without a cap or be under tanning beds for that matter!

A study that shows that ultraviolet light might be linked to Androgenic Alopecia
http://www.docguide.com/news/content.nsf/news/8525697700573E1885256C700055615D
 02/09/2006 07:14 AM
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Twelve years ago (I was 23 years old) I went to a gym and I found a good idea to
go to the solarium a couple of times. After the forth time suddenly my hair started to fall like crazy!!!
Immediately I stopped it and the hair loss reduced after almost a month!!!
If you want your hair (and your health) avoid solarium...

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 02/09/2006 09:36 AM
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as long as u dont burn in the tanning bed, your fine. and it is safer than the sun. cus the sun is stronger and u usually will get burned easily.

so if u want a bit of color, and to be safe about it, go in the tanning bed for 5-10 minutes once or twice a week. how could u think 5 minutes in a tanning booth is more harmful than 2-3 hours in the hot blazing sun?
 02/09/2006 10:45 AM
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as long as u dont burn in the tanning bed, your fine. and it is safer than the sun. cus the sun is stronger and u usually will get burned easily.



so if u want a bit of color, and to be safe about it, go in the tanning bed for 5-10 minutes once or twice a week. how could u think 5 minutes in a tanning booth is more harmful than 2-3 hours in the hot blazing sun?




Show us some studies where the sun is stronger and tanning beds are safer Guava. People that state "facts" on this forum should be able to back up what they say with clinical studies.
 02/09/2006 04:18 PM
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Take a UV meter and take a reading of the sun in the daytime, and then take a reading of a tanning bed. You will be quite surprised.
There are two types of UV meters: one with total UV and one with percentages of UVA and UVB. You can purchase it at solarmeter.com if you really want to. I can design a tanning bed to emulate the sun, if you people believe that is safer. I usually design those for agricultural engineers that need to grow certain vegetables.





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 02/09/2006 06:54 PM
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I think the key to each is moderation....if you go to tanning beds every now and then and get some sun on nice days it isnt going to do much so long as you take good care of your skin and eat pretty healthy..in all actuality i have read alot of articles that study animals exposed to the sun with a diet high in fat and animals that are on a predominantly plant based diet...basically the animals on the high fat diet developed cancer a whole lot more than the animals on the plant based diet...That being said i think certain people have certain genetic predispositions allowing them to tolerate more sun than others...I tend to be a more darker skinned white person because my ancestors are sicilian. Alot of the people in my family tan quickly and stay fairly olive complected throughout the year...i dont tend to burn rairly every and that has only happened after prolonged intense exposures on the hot days...however i notice alot of other poeple burn very quickly and those burns i know are not good for you..i hear that it is the times that you burn that cause the most damage...i know that in my families old climate they were out farming for most of the year in the sun...infact i always feel alot more healthy in the warmer months here in jersey...i know that some sun is actually pretty heathly...I believe the fairer skined you are the less sun you can tolerate...also there are always your cases of people that are predisposed to cancer genes....in those cases alot of things can be magnifiably worse...
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as long as u dont burn in the tanning bed, your fine. and it is safer than the sun. cus the sun is stronger and u usually will get burned easily.







so if u want a bit of color, and to be safe about it, go in the tanning bed for 5-10 minutes once or twice a week. how could u think 5 minutes in a tanning booth is more harmful than 2-3 hours in the hot blazing sun?








Show us some studies where the sun is stronger and tanning beds are safer Guava. People that state "facts" on this forum should be able to back up what they say with clinical studies.



ok, you go ahead and walk around outside in the sun for hours, and i'll hit the tanbed for 5 minutes. we'll see who gets cancer first. hahah
 02/10/2006 02:06 AM
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First of all!

It's even stupid to walk around the sun for hours! And it's as much stupid as going under tanning beds!

The reason why you’re skin change colour is because it wants too warn you that it has hade enough UV Exposure! So why risk it? For a little of colour?
 02/10/2006 07:00 AM
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" ok, you go ahead and walk around outside in the sun for hours, and i'll hit the tanbed for 5 minutes. we'll see who gets cancer first. hahah "


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Now that was a brilliant statement ! I`m still waiting for some proof that tanning beds are safer then the sun. And I don`t mean "proof" from the tanning bed manufactureres or someones opinion who sells them either.


Edited: 02/10/2006 at 07:03 AM by Butch54
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