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 07/05/2004 05:33 PM
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This is probably going to invite sarcastic replies but here goes...

I heard that if you don't wash you hair for a month or so, you scalp starts to produce oils that clean itself and the hair.

Is it even POSSIBLE that these oils (or whatever) also prevent (or help prevent) MPB; after all we were not MEANT to wash our hair (from an evolutionary point of view). Perhaps these oils do alot of cool things for our scalp/hair other than clean it that we don't even know about. This doesn't seem too fair fetched to me.


(I wonder if there were any bald cavemen).

 07/05/2004 05:35 PM
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Note: it would be cool to find out what this process actually is (i.e. what chemicals the scalp releases after a month of not washing). There must be soe scientific data on this. Anyone...
 07/05/2004 07:08 PM
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(( you scalp starts to produce oils that clean itself and the hair. ))

That reminds me of a commercial that used to run in the 60's. (Yes, I'm old)

A girl is running around at home before a date and is running late. The slogan was "When you can't shampoo, MINIPOO!" I think you sprayed the stuff on and toweled it off without taking a shower. Looking it up on Usenet, some people say it was powder that you brushed out. I think I'd rather just take a real quick shower.

Hey Bryan, do you remember those commercials?

Edited: 07/05/2004 at 07:09 PM by Poster98.6
 07/05/2004 07:21 PM
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"This is probably going to invite sarcastic replies"
yep , you are right on this . Anyway if you are bald and dirt may be people give more attention to your odor than to your hairloss
 07/05/2004 08:33 PM
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non starter. i wasn't shampooing my hair at all when mpb hit, i fact i began shampooing it about a year after noticing. i think to say that we're not meant to wash our hair is kinda redundant considering teh amount of crap floating around in the air these day's. there was obviously bald cavemen, or there would never be bald men.

NB i had really lush hair when i wasn't using shampoo. this was for maybe two years or more; water is all you need for great hair. its just because of the mpb inflammation that i had to start shampooing, and i was happier without shampoo

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 07/06/2004 07:17 AM
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OK so it looks like not washing hair is not going to help with MPB (although i still think this is worth looking into). Aside from this, one guy above said that not washing his hair made it in good shape. Anyone have experience with this...? Does it smell, look greasy etc.
 07/06/2004 08:35 AM
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I don't think this is a good idea. From my understanding not washing your hair for a few days would lead to a build-up of sebum on the scalp which research has shown can contain high levels of DHT.

It's metioned here:
http://www.geocities.com/hair_loss_qa/hair_loss_causes.htm
 07/06/2004 12:37 PM
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you're hair doesn't smell or look greasy if you don't use shampoo! honestly! you just gotta keep rinsing with water as much as you'd usually wash, and you'll go through an intial period of greasier hair, but just keep up washing it through with water. for me it takes about four weeks to go from needing shampoo to not.
try it out if you like, its nice to not have all those bottles cluttering up your shower

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 07/07/2004 12:36 AM
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I honestly would shampoo my hair only once every two months for two years or so. And that's when my hair was at it's best.



most of my friends who don't shampoo their hair also .




it was when i got a season caase of winter-summer that my skin got all thinng up front (where i got the peeling, also from using too much protein shampoo that i brought at a nyc stand. then i began washing a lot , with t getl/nizoral. this is where my problems began.




HOWEVER, topicals without washing your hair is a bad idea i believe.

i'm goig to xtart fin and go topical free.
 07/07/2004 01:15 AM
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(I wonder if there were any bald cavemen).


Wonder no more just look at the tribes who still live in forests and deserts like the bush man tribe in africa.Surprisingly i have never seen any bald one ...yet
 07/07/2004 06:50 AM
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Any more info on this? Not washing you hair seems at least to be good cosmetically and maybe even our bodies have their own mechanisms for fighting mpb be we never let them get started...
 07/07/2004 07:53 AM
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some homeless people dont wash their hair, and I havnt seen one bald homeless man
 07/07/2004 09:10 PM
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I've wondered if there's any merit to this idea also.

I recently ran across this site and the guy claims some regrowth from not washing his hair. He's an older guy (58ish) and some of his comments are pretty wacky. Anyway, there could be some merit to the idea that daily hair washing, with all the chemicals in shampoos, could be harmful to hair.

Also, as you mention, the natural oils in our hair may serve some benefits. I remeber reading years ago that fighting acne by washing too often can be counterproductive as the body will just secrete even more oils to offset the excess drying, thus possibly aggrevating the acne even more.

The case of homeless people with good hair is good evidence that no washing isn't automatically a bad thing.

Edited: 07/07/2004 at 09:26 PM by DirtyHairy
 07/12/2004 10:06 AM
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i used to wash daily....then a coupel years ago i buzzed my head and just got into the habit of not washing my hair....as i have gone through phases of growing out and rebuzzing, i find that when i dont wash my hair it feels alot healthier to me, and looks better and easier to style....shampoos arent good...i realized the other day...to my horror at first...that i hadnt washed my hair in almost 2 months....so i ordered nizoral, and now im going to use that once a week and just water the rest of the time
 07/13/2004 10:39 AM
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Unless you plan on not using topicals, it wouldnt be advisable. It will lead to a huge build up of sebum and topical residue.

If you dont use topical you should still wash your hair once a week, but it all depends on how oily your hair gets. Some people have very oily hair and it needs to be washed with shampoo.
 07/19/2005 06:38 AM
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I've found that not washing with shampoo leaves my hair moisturized and my scalp in good shape.
I rinse my hair vigorously under the shower, as well as brushing the scalp to help remove excess dirt, oil, etc. My hair does feel a little oily while rinsing it, but it's great when it dries.
During the day, haven't noticed any smell, excess oiliness, etc.

I'm starting to realize that washing everyday with shampoo or soap is a bad idea.
 07/19/2005 08:35 AM
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It is possible to have very nice hair without shampoo. Just rinse it out well when you shower. It takes about four months and the scalp adjust and produce less oil. Humans lived a million years without shampoo. Modern shampoo was invented when synthetic detergent and the shampoo commercial was invented -in the late 1940s.

But when fighting hair loss with topicals and ketoconazole shampoo I have to shampoo at least once a day and sometimes more. Then I use leave in conditioner or gels to add what the shampoo took away.

Edited: 07/19/2005 at 08:36 AM by Hair Here
 07/19/2005 09:54 AM
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Originally posted by: DirtyHairy
Also, as you mention, the natural oils in our hair may serve some benefits. I remeber reading years ago that fighting acne by washing too often can be counterproductive as the body will just secrete even more oils to offset the excess drying, thus possibly aggrevating the acne even more.


That's called the "feedback theory" of sebum production, and it was disproved long ago by Kligman and his colleagues. Sebaceous glands produce sebum on a continuous basis, without regard to what's sitting on the surface of the skin/scalp.

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 07/19/2005 11:28 AM
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Originally posted by: Bryan
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Originally posted by: DirtyHairy
Also, as you mention, the natural oils in our hair may serve some benefits. I remeber reading years ago that fighting acne by washing too often can be counterproductive as the body will just secrete even more oils to offset the excess drying, thus possibly aggrevating the acne even more.




That's called the "feedback theory" of sebum production, and it was disproved long ago by Kligman and his colleagues. Sebaceous glands produce sebum on a continuous basis, without regard to what's sitting on the surface of the skin/scalp.



Bryan


Do you have a full text link for that study?

I've heard that feedback notion repeated so much I'm sort of reluctant to part with it.








 07/19/2005 12:16 PM
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Bryan,

Was wondering if you know if it's true that DHT is 'stored' in the sebum which can then harm the follicle if not adequately washed out regularly?
This would be the only reason I'd go back to washing with shampoo or soap daily.
Thanks.
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