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 11/24/2003 08:34 PM
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Hello!

About 3 years ago, February 2001 to be exact, I decided to start supplementing with Vitamin B-5. The reasoning was simple, I was 15 years old, and when I hit puberty, I started getting Acne all over my face. I read a few articles mentioning that taking Vitamin B-5 at more than a few grams a day could defenitely improve and get rid of Acne. So, I started using it and after 2-3 months I noticed that my face got better and better. On average I took about 4 grams a day, and my face cleared up at an alarming rate, I was really happy as I tried many products beforehand and nothing seemed to work. In early 2002, I started noticing that my hair was slowly thining, it shocked me, but I ignored it. As time went by, so went my hair, and I noticed that I actually started losing my hair. This happened when I was 16 years old. After my facial condition has improved, I decided to stop Vitamin B-5 due to the hair loss that it caused, and a year afterwards, I can clearly see myself having bald spots on the front of my head (front line) and my temples. I wouldn't mind this too much if I was in my 40's and 50's as it is natural, but I am only 17.

I went to a dermatologist and told him that perhaps I have a Vitamin deficiency, as many people said that Biotin gets depleted when taking large amount of vitamin B-5. He shook it off, and instead proceded to tell me that it is *common* for young adults (15+) to begin to suffer from Male Pattern Baldness. However, I know that this problem has started because I've used Vitamin B5, I attribute it to altering my DHT levels.

If anyone has experienced hair loss due to Vitamin B-5, or has more information on what I could do to revert, or at least stop the hair loss that I am experiencing now, please let me know.
It's quite bothersome knowing that in a few years, I'll be bald, what are your thoughts on this matter?

Thanks in advance!

P.S: Hewk, thanks for all the help buddy!
 11/24/2003 09:05 PM
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I did some searching and most I could find was that b-5 if anything is good for hair. If your dermatologist confirms that it has nothing to do with your mpb,then why would you disbelieve him? After all he is a specialist in the field.
You may want to consider medications to help combat your problem,but given that your quite young I would urge you to talk to your Doctor first.
 11/24/2003 09:22 PM
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B5 cannot cause MPB. I would be willing to bet that even if you didnt take B5 you would be facing this condition anyway.

B5 has no direct effect on DHT, it doesnt work that way. Too much B5 could and does cause hairloss in some indivuals, however that hairloss IS NOT MPB. It is merely hairloss due to vitiman deficiency. That hairloss would not be exhibited in the classic MPB pattern, but rather loss or thinning over the entire head.

I personally believe it is just a coincidence and that the MPB is something you would be facing whether you took B5 or not.
 11/25/2003 08:21 AM
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i can kind of see why he would say it is common to start losing your hair at that age. i mean you started taking b5 at around the same time, but it could have been that you started taking b12, c, d, e etc. at the same time. its just a coincidence.

however i have heard on weight lifting sites, anecdotal reports of too much b5 being 'bad' for hair.
 11/25/2003 09:01 AM
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B5 is part of a vitamin complex (the B complex, duh). That means that those vitamins interact inside your body. Taking mega doses of B5 for a long time will probably make your body have an unballanced B complex. B complex deficiency can cause hair loss. I think it has nothing to do with DHT.

Edited: 11/25/2003 at 09:03 AM by Leandro
 11/25/2003 11:45 AM
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Artlan: I take B5 as d-calcium pantothenate 500 mg a day, and it appears to have only helped with my battle against diffuse hairloss. I also have pattern hair loss. I also take a balance of B vitamins plus minerals, including Nature's Plus UltraHair Plus (with MSM) and KAL AminoMax. The UltraHair has 2000 mcg of biotin in the recommended daily dosage. I would not use B5 alone in multi-gram doses per day because it may upset the needed vitamin-mineral balance. I also find a zinc topical to be useful for diffuse hair loss if it is used in combination with other things.

Edited: 11/25/2003 at 03:57 PM by Zardoz
 11/25/2003 02:46 PM
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Here http://clearskin.net/viewtopic.php?t=2923 someone called Solomio, who thinks B5 raises DHT, but she doesn't give good evidence about it.

Here somone who experienced a decrease in libido while on B5.
http://pub106.ezboard.com/fabsoluteacneinfofrm1.showMessage?topicID=12066.topic

Some people think that because a Megadose B5 decreases sebum, the pores decrease which according to them might cause hairthinning/loss.

I think that it might be biotin (also known as Vit H/B7/B8) deficiency.
http://pub106.ezboard.com/fabsoluteacneinfofrm1.showMessage?topicID=12046.topic

Artlan, I would start taking 2.5mg biotin of more, a B-complex and multivitamines.
Maybe some oral MSM to speed up the results?
Are there bald members in your family or your father?

If possible, try to let your blood be tested for vitamin deficiency. If correct, the B-complex singles are hard to test except B12. Also test your Iron levels. And maybe some other vitamin/mineral/hormone levels if possible.

I experienced defuse thinning probably while on B5 (i'm not sure if it started before or while on B5). I also have Androgenic Alopecia, which was hardly visible about 8 months before B5. I haven't taken a lot of photo's between then and the start of B5, so I don't know for sure if it's caused by a megadose B5 (10gr).
I did not experience any thinning on the side of my head. I also don't loss much hairs on my pillow, maybe 5/day. When I take my hand through my hairs, gives about 1 hair per time.

Here some pics:
Before B5, 2001-09-11:

Before B5, 2002-04-14:






I started about 2003-04 with B5.
Between the start of B5 and about 2003-10:






(This is the first time that I see photo's in a topic in this forum.)

Edited: 11/25/2003 at 03:17 PM by Hawk
 05/03/2004 03:04 PM
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hmmm ive just started taking B5 for acne so far about 5 or 6 grams daily.
 05/03/2004 03:07 PM
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Here a FAQ which might be useful:
http://www.freewebs.com/krg/b5.html
 05/04/2004 01:32 PM
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Originally posted by: Hawk
Here a FAQ which might be useful:

http://www.freewebs.com/krg/b5.html


Hawk thanks for that FAQ. Kind of worrying to read that B5 `could` cause hairloss. I might try a topical B5 treatment for my acne, might have much less side effects.
 05/04/2004 01:43 PM
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Taking B5 at 3- 4 grams daily for 2 weeks and then dropping down to maintenance is the best strategy. I have tried this with no side effects and now take about 1 gram of B5 daily (depending on stress levels) . I also take a B complex alongside my B5 dosage (if your worried take extra biotin for the first couple of weeks). I would never megadose with anything.

Taking B5 will help with the upregulation from your adrenals

 06/07/2004 04:22 AM
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Pete is it best to take Biotin and B complex at exactly the same time as the B5 or does it not matter what time of day you take the extra biotin and b complex? Do you think that as little as 2 grams of B5 daily could help with acne? Im very wary about megadosing now after doing some reasearch and hearing quite a few stories about thinning hair and B5 on acne forums.

thanks.
 06/07/2004 01:23 PM
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"Pete is it best to take Biotin and B complex at exactly the same time as the B5 or does it not matter what time of day you take the extra biotin and b complex? Do you think that as little as 2 grams of B5 daily could help with acne? Im very wary about megadosing now after doing some reasearch and hearing quite a few stories about thinning hair and B5 on acne forums. thanks. "




Let me put it like this. I am taking Epilobium to block DHT. However the oiliness is still there - I figure that DHT is being upregulated via another pahtway. So I reverse this pathway by taking Pantothenic acid. I used to take 1 gram and i have now dropped down to 500mg daily (sometimes I top upto 1gram if im stressed) as I take lecithin alongside it. If you look at the different pathways in a typical hormonal diagram youll see that there are many routes to DHT. To recap , i take lecithin alongside the Pantothenic acid ( l also take a normal B complex alongside this.)

For acne, try a few grams a week and add lecithin alongside it and then drop down when oiliness reduces

Heres my Daily regime :

AM :
Zinc picolinate
Essential fatty acids
Epilobium

PM :
Epilobium
Pantothenic acid
B complex
lecithin




 06/15/2004 12:26 PM
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Has anybody tried using a B5 topical for acne? I noticed that http://www.acnemiracle.com have a topical B5 gel.
 06/15/2004 12:29 PM
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I'm still using topical B5 as I described in http://www.freewebs.com/krg/b5.html.

I still think topical B5 is working good, but I haven't tried getting off it for a while.
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Hawk is that B5 FAQ all your work? Its very helpful and informative.

Anyway ive bought the topical B5 gel from Acne Miracle, ill see how it goes.
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Quote

Originally posted by: Pete
Let me put it like this. I am taking Epilobium to block DHT. However the oiliness is still there - I figure that DHT is being upregulated via another pahtway. So I reverse this pathway by taking Pantothenic acid. I used to take 1 gram and i have now dropped down to 500mg daily (sometimes I top upto 1gram if im stressed) as I take lecithin alongside it. If you look at the different pathways in a typical hormonal diagram youll see that there are many routes to DHT. To recap , i take lecithin alongside the Pantothenic acid ( l also take a normal B complex alongside this.)


For those of you who use lecithin, read the following passage from Pearson & Shaw's "The Life Extension Companion", page 142 (the italics and capital letters are their own):


WARNING: Much of the lecithin available to the consumers is probably badly peroxidized (rancid). Polyunsaturated fats comprise much of the commercial lecithin, and these polyunsaturated fats can become hazardously peroxidized before a rancid odor can be smelled. Indeed, most of the commercial store bought lecithin we have smelled has been so badly peroxidized that the rancid odor was obvious. Dr. Harry Demopoulos of New York University Medical Center recently tested one bottle each of two major name brand lecithin consumer products. These samples were purchased off the shelf at two health food stores in high traffic locations. The analytical standard for good lecithin was provided by Sigma Chemical Company and was sealed in glass under dry nitrogen to prevent peroxidation.

Gas-liquid chromatography was used by Dr. Demopoulos to measure the arachidonic acid (an essential polyunsaturated fatty acid) content. Both commercial lecithin products showed a loss of about 90%, indicating very extensive peroxidation. Another assay, the thiobarbituric acid (TBA) test, showed about 500 nanomoles per milliliter of TBA reactive organic peroxide decomposition products. The TBA test can be expected to understate the degree of peroxidation under these conditions. DO NOT CONSUME PEROXIDIZED (RANCID) FATS, INCLUDING PEROXIDIZED LECITHIN. Peroxidized fats are mutagenic (damage DNA), carcinogenic (cause cancer), thrombogenic (cause abnormal blood clots), atherogenic (cause atherosclerosis), and suppress the immune system. Lecithin producers should add a carefully designed synergistic system of synthetic or natural antioxidants and chelators.
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zimmy, same thing happened to me when i tried to self-treat my acne with 5 g of B5 daily. i lost hair just as fast then as when i went through my innovate shed. it has something to with the adrenal gland and producing too much DHEA from what i remember. i posted about my experience a long time ago but people blew it off as if i was crazy.
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here's the thread


B5.............
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zimmy, same thing happened to me when i tried to self-treat my acne with 5 g of B5 daily. i lost hair just as fast then as when i went through my innovate shed. it has something to with the adrenal gland and producing too much DHEA from what i remember. i posted about my experience a long time ago but people blew it off as if i was crazy.


Thanks Wantmyhair. After doing some research on acne forums I decided to take only 500mg B5 daily. I megadosed on B5 for about 3 weeks at about 5-8 grams, I hope that would not have been long enough to do any damage. I just dont want to risk megadosing on B5. Im just going to try a B5 topical cream instead, I doubt that would give any side effects at all.
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